Stafford gone to rams

[Mitchrapp]

Did anyone offer two 1sts for him? Two 1sts and a bridge QB better than one. Especially when you HAVE to take a QB at pick 7 or pick 8 then. And who know might have been the 4th QB on the board by then. We shall see.

Lions got the best deal and it was outside the box. Holmes said he had a plan coming in

Lions have plenty of picks this year and high picks plus the extra 3rd. They can make some cap space but shouldn't go too crazy. Also due to the lowered cap, free agents should be cheaper too

You don't build through FAs you build through the draft. And the Lions got the max number of picks including two first rounders. And all sorts of options for QB. That is a win

From what I gather a 1st this season at 8, and a 3rd. We don't need Goff and its less one 1st but that is in 2023. I liked the Carolina better. I just hate that Holmes didn't consider anyone else. And you know he didn't.

 

[LKP]

From what I gather a 1st this season at 8, and a 3rd. We don't need Goff and its less one 1st but that is in 2023. I liked the Carolina better. I just hate that Holmes didn't consider anyone else. And you know he didn't.

It is not only not two 1sts. That first from Carolina or pick 7 would have to use on a QB

So the only pick to build the team non QB wise, would be the 3rd round pick. Do you understand why Goff was involved now?

Goff allows the Lions to use FIVE first round picks in the next 3 years on non QBs and build the team. Or if Goff sucks in 2021, four 1st round picks could be used on non QBs as we would use one in 2022 or 2023 on a QB. With just pick 8 and a3rd rounder, Lions would only get to use THREE 1st round picks on non QBs in next 3 years because a 2021 1st would have to be used on a QB. Rams trade gives us 4 or 5 for non QB

You build through the draft not free agency. Even with Goff, we can have plenty of cap space. Especially 2022 and beyond

 

[Mitchrapp]

It is not only not two 1sts. That first from Carolina or pick 7 would have to use on a QB

So the only pick to build the team non QB wise, would be the 3rd round pick. Do you understand why Goff was involved now?

Goff allows the Lions to use FIVE first round picks in the next 3 years on non QBs and build the team. Or if Goff sucks in 2021, four 1st round picks could be used on non QBs as we would use one in 2022 or 2023 on a QB. With just pick 8 and a3rd rounder, Lions would only get to use THREE 1st round picks on non QBs in next 3 years because a 2021 1st would have to be used on a QB. Rams trade gives us 4 or 5 for non QB

You build through the draft not free agency. Even with Goff, we can have plenty of cap space. Especially 2022 and beyond

I rather have a young 1st Round QB or trade back and grab one at 12-15. We might all think it's a rebuild but if we win 2-3 games this season we'll be all over Campbell & Holmes.

 

[LKP]

I rather have a young 1st Round QB or trade back and grab one at 12-15. We might all think it's a rebuild but if we win 2-3 games this season we'll be all over Campbell & Holmes.

You have only 3 first round picks to build only in your scenario still. And all QBS could be gone by 12 to 15 or the worst one left. Also rookie QB just a big of risk as Goff to suck, plus then you wasted a 1st round pick (and probably gun shy to use another one, 2005 had Harrington didn't take Rodgers for example because Mooch wanted Jeff Garcia on the team)

What the Lions did was maximize options and opportunities and number of 1st round picks while getting a 1st round 1st pick QB with some talent

 

[zyxt9]

I rather have a young 1st Round QB or trade back and grab one at 12-15. We might all think it's a rebuild but if we win 2-3 games this season we'll be all over Campbell & Holmes.

Goff was a R1 QB...and he is in his 20s. CONGRATS!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Goff was a R1 QB...and he is in his 20s. CONGRATS!

We know he sucked the past two years. I keep on hearing if a QB has a better team around them yada yada..

 

[mhughes0021]

Denver offered 9 and lock.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Denver offered 9 and lock.

Rather of had 9 hold the Lock.

 

[LKP]

Denver offered 9 and lock.

We would have one extra 1st for a non QB then not 2 1sts and a 3rd rounder. Lock only under contract 2 seasons, Goff is 4 years (but can be cut after 2) and more proven by far than Lock

Rams deal was the best deal by far. Still got to hit on those picks

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lock Blows.

 

[zyxt9]

Lock Blows.

So be happy the got Goff...who you feel sucked the last two years, yet the Rams made the playoffs while Lions did not, and you were unhappy with Stafford not leading them to the playoffs...feeling better about Goff, just a little bit?

 

[Mitchrapp]

So be happy the got Goff...who you feel sucked the last two years, yet the Rams made the playoffs while Lions did not, and you were unhappy with Stafford not leading them to the playoffs...feeling better about Goff, just a little bit?

Why? Did we have to take a QB in the deal. The Rams playoffs just proves we suck and we're in for a long rebuild.

 

[tomdalton22]

Unless Goff ends up being a good starter, #8 was the better deal.

 

[zyxt9]

Remember when Goff went to the Super Bowl and a bunch of you guys were bitching why our QB who was a #1 overall pick was incapable of doing that? How it was all "gee, why couldn't we have Goff???"

Now you have him and you bitch like a bunch of Red Tenters. lol

Would I prefer TL...to some extent...but he is still a gamble just like any QB coming out in any Draft. Stafford was going to be the one to finally lead the Lions to a playoff win...well, that never happened. It is possible TL is another Andrew Luck, a good QB who never gets his team to the Super Bowl. Same goes for all the guys in this year's draft.

Just because Goff had a couple down years, he still got the team to the playoffs, and in his best year he got them to the Super Bowl. Stop bitching and start hoping he has enough magic and luck in him to do that with the Lions, and this time he has learned from that prior SB game and manages to win it when he gets the Lions there.

Stafford was to be the anti-Layne...well, maybe this trade finally breaks that curse and the Lions now get to experience great playoff success and championships.

 

[tomdalton22]

Remember when Goff went to the Super Bowl and a bunch of you guys were bitching why our QB who was a #1 overall pick was incapable of doing that? How it was all "gee, why couldn't we have Goff???"

Now you have him and you bitch like a bunch of Red Tenters. lol

Would I prefer TL...to some extent...but he is still a gamble just like any QB coming out in any Draft. Stafford was going to be the one to finally lead the Lions to a playoff win...well, that never happened. It is possible TL is another Andrew Luck, a good QB who never gets his team to the Super Bowl. Same goes for all the guys in this year's draft.

Just because Goff had a couple down years, he still got the team to the playoffs, and in his best year he got them to the Super Bowl. Stop bitching and start hoping he has enough magic and luck in him to do that with the Lions, and this time he has learned from that prior SB game and manages to win it when he gets the Lions there.

Stafford was to be the anti-Layne...well, maybe this trade finally breaks that curse and the Lions now get to experience great playoff success and championships.

Let's look at the recent history.

Rams 4 winning seasons and put together a great roster. The Lions are a shit show & might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. Don't forget, those who are ultimately responsible for the product on the field are still in charge (owners and upper management) since they were the ones who hired the previous GM.

The Rams were willing to take on an aging QB that has never won a playoff game and appears to be in the beginning stages of being injury prone, to get rid of a younger QB that has playoff success. They were so willing to get rid of him that they threw in 2 first round picks and a 3rd.

You must think that the entire Rams organization is full of idiots (except for the one guy that left for the Lions) and the Lions front office is full of geniuses.

 

[LKP]

Two 1sts for non QB is better than 0 1sts for non QB. It is that simple

 

[zyxt9]

Let's look at the recent history.

Rams 4 winning seasons and put together a great roster. The Lions are a shit show & might have the worst roster in the entire NFL. Don't forget, those who are ultimately responsible for the product on the field are still in charge (owners and upper management) since they were the ones who hired the previous GM.

The Rams were willing to take on an aging QB that has never won a playoff game and appears to be in the beginning stages of being injury prone, to get rid of a younger QB that has playoff success. They were so willing to get rid of him that they threw in 2 first round picks and a 3rd.

You must think that the entire Rams organization is full of idiots (except for the one guy that left for the Lions) and the Lions front office is full of geniuses.

I am quite certain the Rams made a massive mistake. Probably McVay became overly full of himself, but whatever the reason, in 3 years the Rams are going to be in big trouble and bottom feeders and McVay will find his seat extremely warm.

When was the last time Stafford stayed healthy an entire season? Why is that important??? Because the Rams OL is not very good. They have basically bet that they will win the SB in the next 2 years...that is not a very smart investment, IMO...and they will not find the success with Stafford that they think. The loose friendship between McVay and Stafford that resulted in the Rams getting fleeced in the trade will come back to haunt them.

I would have said the same if they had done a similar trade for even Brady, though Brady would likely find ways to win that Stafford does not have within him...but even then the Rams are not winning a SB in the next 2 years.

Now, are the Lions geniuses? That remains to be seen, but getting what they did from the Rams has been referred to by some experts as the "Rams Herschel Walker". While Detroit did not pull off THAT level of fleecing, it is a good way to start building a winning team. If they achieve 1/3 of the success the Cowboys did, well that would hypothetically equate to 1 Super Bowl win. Sorry if I am hopeful that they will make that happen, and whether Goff is the QB in that or not is pretty immaterial to me.

That said, he has lead a team to the Super Bowl, how many QBs in 2021 will be able to say that? Brady, Rogers, Mahommes, Wilson, Garoppolo, Ryan, Foles (backup), Newton (while he might play in 2021, will he be benched and become a backup?), Worthlessburger (unless he retires), Brees (unless he retires), and Goff.

In 3 years, it is likely Rogers, Brady, Ryan, Newton, Worthlessburger, and Brees will not be playing. Meanwhile we will likely see Rogers going to 1 more SB and Mahommes to 1 or 2, so the list of SB starting QBs will likely only add up to 2 new names at most...and that list will not include Stafford.

While it remains to be seen if Goff will return to his earlier form, there is at least potential provided the Lions team improves overall, which with 5 R1 picks in 3 years they should be a considerably better team. If those picks are used on a WR, DL, LB, CB, and S...that alone would be great improvement and that does not include all the other draft picks and FA signings that will completely change the Lions.

Goff by then will more likely be a seasoned vet who is leading the team to playoff wins and potential SB victories than being replaced. A down year for him next year is projected, but the Lions are still more likely to win more games than they did last year. After that, expect him to be leading them to the playoffs.

 

[LKP]

We will found out

If McVay is wrong about Goff
If Stafford has tremendous stats with more support and can win playoff games
If Goff can win without much support
Or if Goff can win if the Lions actually build something

It's all hypothetical until we see it on the field. Nobody knows for sure clearly.

Interesting to see people putting all the blame on the QB. Glad its not just a Stafford thing.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

This is what the team does they keep pushing the rebuild further down. Everyone says what's an extra year or two, every season. They should have gotten picks this year for Matt and then traded down.

I don't understand how you and Hughes spend the year pissing and moaning about how they didn't start rebuilding last year. Especially Hughes, ripping the front office for not planning for the future (no WR's this year, the Suh/Fairley debacle).

Then we hire a new FO....and that is EXACTLY what they're doing......and now its an issue with you guys. They AREN'T winning next year.....we all know it. They got 2 future first rounders. For a rebuilding franchise, 2 future firsts is much better than one and a shittly QB (Lock) this year. The Goff contract only matters for this year and then its easily gotten out of if he doesn't show any promise. They're building draft capital.

It's ironic that they're doing what you both have been pissing and moaning about......and now you're pissing and moaning about it.

LOL.

 

[Monster]

Idc what anyone says. If Goff plays well, it's a good trade. If he sucks, then we have 4 first round picks and a ton of money off the cap in two years time. If he sucks, we're in no worse of a position as we would with stafford because statistics say we wouldn't make the playoffs anyway.

If he's good, we win soon. If he's not good, we won't win, but at least we'll have cap relief and 4 first round picks after this year.

A 26 year old with playoff and super bowl experience and a real hunger to prove himself. Its good for me.