Stafford gone to rams

[Mitchrapp]

Report: Rams made a run at Aaron Rodgers

 

[tomdalton22]

a pretty funny quote about the trade from an article I was reading.

"In some ways, Stafford is the anti-Goff. No matter what went bad around him in Detroit, Stafford avoided the blame. When things went well, though, he got the credit. For Goff, his good games were often seen as the product of McVay’s genius. His bad ones were all him. A fresh start in Detroit might be good for him, as well".

 

[grandy]

What’s considered a better deal and what were these deals?

 

[Mitchrapp]

What?s considered a better deal and what were these deals?

All vague. Doubt we'll ever know.

 

[tomdalton22]

What?s considered a better deal and what were these deals?

I was curious so I did a quick search. All I found were a couple of tweets about the "better deals" by Josinna Anderson and another "reporter" that I never heard of. My guess is they are just rumors.

 

[byco42]

It’s done. Moving on. Let’s see what this GM/Coach can accomplish. My expectation for 2021 is the same as for every year: the Lions win the Super Bowl. That should be the expectation of the entire organization each and every season. If they don’t, then start over year over year with the same expectation.

 

[zyxt9]

This has tremendous potential to go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the NFL...for the Rams.

This is not nearly akin to the Herschel Walker trade, but it feels similar. Rams potentially got fleeced in this deal. Stafford has a long history of injuries, especially his throwing hand/thumb. Now in his 30s, he could potentially be even more injury prone and due to that produce average at best results. Should Stafford suffer a long term injury early in each of the next 2 seasons, it is likely the Rams will lose more than win and the Lions gain a top 16 pick each of the next 2 years. This has real potential.

Whether Goff becomes a good QB in Detroit is almost immaterial at that point. If he is not, the Lions will draft a new QB, likely with one of those 1st round picks. If Stafford underperforms for the Rams, they will be pressured to pick up a QB in FA and likely overpay again.

The Lions are more likely to use this trade as a springboard to a promising future. Should the Lions make the playoffs within the next 3 years, this trade will likely be a significant piece of their new success.

Still, it is the Lions...so SOL applies until proven otherwise.

 

[biggunsbob]

Broncos and Panthers offered 1st rounders and more. Srsly fuck holmes. Can we vote him off the island before march and do a different deal?

Where is the link ? All I see is they offered their pick this year. I keep looking for the link in what you said but all I see that they had better offers. Well let’s see what exactly they were offering before we judge them. Btw even if any of these offers were better we still were going to suck in 2021. You keep saying you want the Lions on a Rookie and deal but this deal works out better because the Lions may actually be trending to the good in 2-3 years. Yeah we all have been waiting but they have to build this right, and sadly Quinn was a bumbling idiot and handcuffed this current administration.

Carolina and New England were off Matt’s list is what I heard.

 

[detroit1811]

NBC's Peter King reports both new Lions coach Dan Campbell and new GM Brad Holmes view Jared Goff as more than a "bridge" quarterback.
Of course the Lions' new brain trust isn't going to come out and say they view Goff as a stopgap, but Holmes was serving as the Rams' director of college scouting the year they made Goff the No. 1 overall selection. Per King, Holmes "favored Goff inside the Rams draft room ? and still does." Anyone reading this knows the score with Goff. He's too good to be a backup, not good enough to be a true franchise player. It's a major red flag when Sean McVay decides he has taken your talent to the absolute maximum, but Goff could still emerge with an Alex Smith-type career arc. The Lions' lack of talent will be conspiring against him in 2021, however.

I think that is a fair assessment on him. Not a franchise guy, but a "good" starter.

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports the Panthers offered the Lions the No. 8 overall pick plus a "later" selection for Matthew Stafford.
Per Breer, the Washington Football Team also offered the No. 19 pick plus a third-rounder. NBC's Peter King reports at least one other team offered a first-rounder. Teams were coming hard in the paint for a player a week shy of his 33rd birthday, one who has had some injury issues creep up over the past two years. Despite his question marks, it cannot be debated that Stafford's talent is a plane higher than Jared Goff's.

First time I've seen it detailed what else was offered. IMO, I rather have the future picks. Draft is gonna be a weird one that relies almost solely on breaking down college tape, with no in person workouts, combine, etc.

 

[biggunsbob]

Washington offered just Pick 19 and a 3rd round pick.
Panthers offered the 8th pick and plus a later selection

Lmao
These are not better deals.

 

[tomdalton22]

Washington offered just Pick 19 and a 3rd round pick.
Panthers offered the 8th pick and plus a later selection

Lmao
These are not better deals.

#8 and a later pick is a better deal. At #8 you have the opportunity to get a difference maker. Both of the Ram's first round picks will likely be in the 20-28 range.

 

[zyxt9]

For all the Goff haters...you do realize he actually has helped his team not only make the playoffs, but also...gee...WIN a playoff game...right?

Holy fuck...if Goff even gets the Lions TO the playoffs, it would be better than Stafford has done in years. If he actually helps them WIN a playoff game...wow...wouldn't THAT be something?

When was the last time the Lions had a starting QB who had previously taken a team to the Super Bowl? Yeah, I know...he sucked in the SB against the Pats, but would Lions fans prefer perpetually missing the playoffs or getting to a SB only for them to lose?

Maybe Goff will never put up Stafford's individual numbers, but if he can manage the game to win in the playoffs, I will take that over what Stafford accomplished all day, every day.

Realistically, based off what each has done for their TEAM, the Lions should have been giving the Rams Stafford plus draft picks. The fact they got Goff plus draft picks is something that fractures, if not breaks, what the Lions GMs have done in the past.

I want a TEAM guy over an individual.

 

[zyxt9]

First time I've seen it detailed what else was offered. IMO, I rather have the future picks. Draft is gonna be a weird one that relies almost solely on breaking down college tape, with no in person workouts, combine, etc.

This is an EXCELLENT point. COVID definitely makes the future picks a better option since there is hope they will have ability to make in person assessments in those drafts.

 

[dubbsco]

#8 and a later pick is a better deal. At #8 you have the opportunity to get a difference maker. Both of the Ram's first round picks will likely be in the 20-28 range.

Not necessarily. The later pick feels like it would be a 5th or 6th from that language, which is more or less useless.

I'd rather have a 3rd and two future firsts than basically the #8 this year.

Not only that, what happens if the Rams underachieve? Stafford gets hurt and the team falls apart? Donald gets hurt? That anticipated 25th pick turns into a top 15 and then you have a ton of value.

 

[tomdalton22]

This has tremendous potential to go down as one of the worst trades in the history of the NFL...for the Rams.

This is not nearly akin to the Herschel Walker trade, but it feels similar. Rams potentially got fleeced in this deal. Stafford has a long history of injuries, especially his throwing hand/thumb. Now in his 30s, he could potentially be even more injury prone and due to that produce average at best results. Should Stafford suffer a long term injury early in each of the next 2 seasons, it is likely the Rams will lose more than win and the Lions gain a top 16 pick each of the next 2 years. This has real potential.

If I were a betting man, I would say that scenario is not very likely. My guess is the Rams are contenders for the next few years, Goff is not a Lion after 2 years, the 2 first round picks will be in the 20s and yield a few average starting caliber players.

Hell, this trade won't even be the worst trade over the past 2 seasons. That trade is already cemented as worse than the Stafford trade. The Texans sent a 2020 first, 2021 first & second round picks (#3 & #35 this year). The Rams defense alone gets them to a .500 record, even with a backup QB.

 

[mhughes0021]

Washington offered just Pick 19 and a 3rd round pick.
Panthers offered the 8th pick and plus a later selection

Lmao
These are not better deals.

Value wise the 8th pick in the draft is better than 2 rams future picks by itself. Especially if you go by vegas odds makers. Not to mention we wouldn't have a dud at qb and be 11 mil over the cap before we even sign our own fas.

You all realize this is the equivalent of trading golladay and okwara for goff. It's fucking stupid.

 

[tomdalton22]

Not necessarily. The later pick feels like it would be a 5th or 6th from that language, which is more or less useless.

I'd rather have a 3rd and two future firsts than basically the #8 this year.

Not only that, what happens if the Rams underachieve? Stafford gets hurt and the team falls apart? Donald gets hurt? That anticipated 25th pick turns into a top 15 and then you have a ton of value.

The Rams may underachieve, but I find it unlikely. Their D alone gets them to .500, even with a backup.

The #8 overall pick could easily yield as much draft capital as a 3rd this year and the equivalent of 2021 & 2022 first rounders and that's without taking on that Goff contract. Taking on Goff is part of the reason for the 2nd first...taking him on is a negative, not positive for the Lions.

 

[detroit1811]

Value wise the 8th pick in the draft is better than 2 rams future picks by itself. Especially if you go by vegas odds makers. Not to mention we wouldn't have a dud at qb and be 11 mil over the cap before we even sign our own fas.

The cap is not an issue. We don't need to be spending big in free agency right now. Build this team and then attract good free agents in a couple years . We barely have any money on the books in 2023. There is two players currently on the roster that will be here in two years that have a cap hit more then 3 million right now ands thats Okudah and Decker. Obviously players will be re-signed, signed in FA, and drafted before then, but currently as it stands its just those guys, Goff can be cut with 0 cap hit by then, Flowers would only leave behind 5.6 million in dead money compared to a savings of 18 million. Jesse James will be gone this year, and Vatai probably will be gone before then too (regardless you can cut him and save over 8 million (2.8 million dead cap).

We are set up with a ton of draft picks and a lot of available cap in the future

 

[detroit1811]

Also, even though its less then ideal, you can cut Goff next year and save 10mil against the cap (15mil in dead money).

 

[biggunsbob]

The Rams may underachieve, but I find it unlikely. Their D alone gets them to .500, even with a backup.

The #8 overall pick could easily yield as much draft capital as a 3rd this year and the equivalent of 2021 & 2022 first rounders and that's without taking on that Goff contract. Taking on Goff is part of the reason for the 2nd first...taking him on is a negative, not positive for the Lions.

I just disagree. We are not contending next year anyway so moving the picks down the road is ok with me. This team needs a lot of bodies. It’s not like Goff can’t be a bridge qb, and be serviceable. We need the 2021 draft to get hot so we can move the #7 pick for more picks. We will have to wait and see how Goff performs. Maybe it lights a fire under his butt to prove he is better then Matt. You act like the Lions were one or two guys away from contending and we are not.