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Wow LKP...I have to say I'm shocked that you are not defending him.
As for you guys who are crying that Suh didn't look down or back. Did you ever play football? Did you ever step on something during a play and look to see what it was? No. As Suh was doing, you continue to follow the results of the play and move toward the action. That is exactly what Suh is TRAINED to do by the coaches. Follow the play, if you can contribute in stopping it, you hustle down the field and help. If not, you still need to move toward that action because that is where the new line of scrimmage is going to be.
I was blocking a guy and got hit in the back of the calf which ended up splitting my calf calf muscle in half. I didn't look around to see what happened and didn't find out till watching tape what happened.
Bunch of BS saying he should have looked down or back. You are in the middle of a play. As for the "2nd stomp", he was recovering his balance, which often requires more than one step...unless maybe you are a gymnast, but I often see even them take multiple steps at times and that is without an initial step being on top of something that prohibits a solid footing like someone's leg.
This has been a witch hunt by the NFL, period. Now if you want to say he deserves it solely due to his past, that's something different...but this specific instance, he should not be suspended. However, that does raise the question of Suh's worth, at least on the Lions. For as long as he is in a Lions uni, any little thing like this becomes a suspension. Is it worth signing him to a contract as big as he is demanding? No. Use that money across the entire D and OL and improve the TEAM, which is always more important that an individual player, because you never know when that individual will not be able to play due to injury or suspension or something else.
As for you guys who are crying that Suh didn't look down or back. Did you ever play football? Did you ever step on something during a play and look to see what it was? No. As Suh was doing, you continue to follow the results of the play and move toward the action. That is exactly what Suh is TRAINED to do by the coaches. Follow the play, if you can contribute in stopping it, you hustle down the field and help. If not, you still need to move toward that action because that is where the new line of scrimmage is going to be.
I was blocking a guy and got hit in the back of the calf which ended up splitting my calf calf muscle in half. I didn't look around to see what happened and didn't find out till watching tape what happened.
Bunch of BS saying he should have looked down or back. You are in the middle of a play. As for the "2nd stomp", he was recovering his balance, which often requires more than one step...unless maybe you are a gymnast, but I often see even them take multiple steps at times and that is without an initial step being on top of something that prohibits a solid footing like someone's leg.
This has been a witch hunt by the NFL, period. Now if you want to say he deserves it solely due to his past, that's something different...but this specific instance, he should not be suspended. However, that does raise the question of Suh's worth, at least on the Lions. For as long as he is in a Lions uni, any little thing like this becomes a suspension. Is it worth signing him to a contract as big as he is demanding? No. Use that money across the entire D and OL and improve the TEAM, which is always more important that an individual player, because you never know when that individual will not be able to play due to injury or suspension or something else.
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Why a DT way out of the play be taught to follow the play? Because I've seen other DT not follow the play. Is Suh just taught better? Maybe you're right and that's what they teach but not everyone follows the play after stepping on a guy. Certainly doesn't take a step back..
Which hunt? When you have players doing dirty things you watch them more..the way it goes. They will notice Suh more..
Which hunt? When you have players doing dirty things you watch them more..the way it goes. They will notice Suh more..
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He very casually walked away from Rodgers after it was over. Looked to me like a guy trying to play it off like he didn't do anything. He wasn't following the play at all, and if he was then he should be chewed out for lack of hustle.
He applied unneeded pressure. I want to see how defense performs without him. See what is in store for next year. Of course we might have fairley and a drafted dt. Mosley fluellen Reid is as worst case as you can get. Jones better show his worth on dts snaps
I'm in the should have drafted Donald camp now but it's still hindsight. Donald was a good prospect but had questions like ebron too
I'm in the should have drafted Donald camp now but it's still hindsight. Donald was a good prospect but had questions like ebron too
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I don't understand the logic behind the "not looking back" statement either. He's not at the grocery store where he may have stepped on an old lady's foot. He knows it's another player he stepped on. He doesn't need to whip his head around to see who it was and apologize. If he looks back at Rodgers then it would seem like an accident?
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If "He knows it's another player he stepped on." why move back and step on him again? If he knew..
If he knew, step forward or stop? Why backwards, if he knew..
Steps on guy, he knew. QB moves back and Suh steps back on QB. Lol. Yeah okay.
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The "not looking back" thing matters because it came after Rodgers slapped him on his ass clearly voicing his displeasure with what had just occurred. I'm not saying Suh had to turn around and help him to his feet and give him a hug, but a nice little turn of the head in acknowledgement might have come off a little better than merely walking away like he did nothing wrong. Leads me to believe that he did do it on purpose, but again nobody knows for sure except Suh.
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Anyone have the video from a couple plays later where Suh was jawing with the Packers Olinemen? Because I remember thinking at the time it looked like Suh was mouthing (yelling really) "yeah I did" or something like that.
Really would like to see another replay of that exchange.
Really would like to see another replay of that exchange.
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And lift the other foot after the second step..come'on. No need to lift other leg, all it does is put more pressure on the QB's ankle.
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When do they have a ruling on the appeal?
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I thought it would be sometime today.
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That's my understanding too...for some reason 4pm sticks in my mind.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...igbo-on-suh-what-happened-to-just-fining-guys
Detroit Lions defense tackle Ndamukong Suh will have his appeal of a one-game suspension for stepping on Aaron Rodgers heard in short order.
n the meantime, Suh's fellow players lamented Monday that the NFL is taking out its best player in the franchise's second playoff game this millennium. The Lions face the Cowboy on Sunday in Dallas.
"Hopefully he wins his appeal," safety James Ihedigbo said, per the Detroit Free Press. "It sucks. I don't get it. I saw the play. Man, suspending guys. I don't know. I don't even know what's the take on it all year long with things like this that happened because it's a major blow. What happened to just fining guys?
"If you think they broke league policy, fine guys and move on and be over with it. But suspending him? It's definitely a loss, but we've been able to do it all year with next man stepping in, we're going to have to do it this week."
In suspending Suh, NFL VP of football operations Merton Hanks did not specifically cite Suh's past -- which includes multiple fines and a two-game suspension for an arm stomp in 2011 -- but it's impossible not to consider his actions in light of previous transgressions.
Teammates, however, believe that the Pro Bowl defensive tackle isn't that same player.
"We're frustrated by the whole situation," defensive end Darryl Tapp said. "Like I said, we don't feel like it was intentional. We all know what kind of person Suh is. He hasn't been in any kind of trouble this year, so just something we got to take it as it comes and move forward."
The team will likely find out Tuesday whether or not Suh's suspension is upheld.
The latest Around The NFL Podcast recaps every Week 17 game and debates the MVP race between Aaron Rodgers and J.J. Watt. Find more Around The NFL content on NFL NOW.
Detroit Lions defense tackle Ndamukong Suh will have his appeal of a one-game suspension for stepping on Aaron Rodgers heard in short order.
n the meantime, Suh's fellow players lamented Monday that the NFL is taking out its best player in the franchise's second playoff game this millennium. The Lions face the Cowboy on Sunday in Dallas.
"Hopefully he wins his appeal," safety James Ihedigbo said, per the Detroit Free Press. "It sucks. I don't get it. I saw the play. Man, suspending guys. I don't know. I don't even know what's the take on it all year long with things like this that happened because it's a major blow. What happened to just fining guys?
"If you think they broke league policy, fine guys and move on and be over with it. But suspending him? It's definitely a loss, but we've been able to do it all year with next man stepping in, we're going to have to do it this week."
In suspending Suh, NFL VP of football operations Merton Hanks did not specifically cite Suh's past -- which includes multiple fines and a two-game suspension for an arm stomp in 2011 -- but it's impossible not to consider his actions in light of previous transgressions.
Teammates, however, believe that the Pro Bowl defensive tackle isn't that same player.
"We're frustrated by the whole situation," defensive end Darryl Tapp said. "Like I said, we don't feel like it was intentional. We all know what kind of person Suh is. He hasn't been in any kind of trouble this year, so just something we got to take it as it comes and move forward."
The team will likely find out Tuesday whether or not Suh's suspension is upheld.
The latest Around The NFL Podcast recaps every Week 17 game and debates the MVP race between Aaron Rodgers and J.J. Watt. Find more Around The NFL content on NFL NOW.
Lions players aren't the only ones defending Ndamukong Suh and suggesting he didn't deserve a one-game ban for stepping on Aaron Rodgers' injured left calf in Sunday's loss to the Packers.
Mike Pereira and Bill Polian, two of the more respected NFL minds and both current TV analysts, said Monday they thought the punishment didn't fit the crime.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ra-polian-say-suhs-punishment-harsh/21046441/
With Suh appealing the suspension Tuesday to Ted Cottrell, a former player jointly appointed by the league and NFL Players Association, having these two voices in his corner is a good sign, even though their support won't play a role in the decision.
Another reason Suh can be somewhat optimistic is the league didn't list his seven previous safety-related violations in its announcement of the suspension Monday, as it did when announcing Dominic Raiola's suspension last week — Raiola had five others since 2010. If Cottrell doesn't consider Suh's past in the ruling, there's a chance the punishment can be reduced.
If Cottrell upholds the suspension, Suh will miss the Lions' wild-card round matchup against the Dallas Cowboys Sunday.
Pereira, the former vice president of officiating who now works for FOX, posted a video on Twitter saying he thought the league only used heavy-handed punishment because of the two players involved.
"Listen, Suh stepped on Aaron Rodgers. And I firmly believe that if it wasn't Suh and it was another no-name who didn't have history and it wasn't Aaron Rodgers, it wouldn't have led to any type of a fine at all," Pereira said.
Pereira also said Walt Anderson, the referee for Sunday's game at Lambeau Field, texted someone at the league office to say he didn't see any intent when the play unfolded in real time.
"Slow motion makes it look a little different, but to me, is this egregious for a suspension? No," Pereira said. "His hit three weeks ago on (Buccaneers quarterback) Josh McCown was much worse than this, and he didn't even draw a fine for that. Pretty inconsistent discipline process coming out of New York in my opinion."
Polian, a former general manager for the Colts, Panthers and Bills who now works for ESPN, said on Sirius XM NFL Radio that a suspension should've been a last resort.
"I think in this case with the playoffs involved and with competitive balance involved, you better be darn sure — darn sure — beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a suspendable offense before you take a player of this nature off the field in a playoff game," he said.
Polian said he agreed with Pereira and added that even if the step was intentional, it wasn't worthy of a suspension. He also said officials aren't supposed to determine intent.
It's worth noting, though, that Polian and Lions coach Jim Caldwell are close friends after the two worked together for 10 years in Indianapolis.
In a letter to Suh, NFL Vice President of Football Operations Merton Hanks wrote that Suh's wrote step and pushoff could've been avoided and that he "did not respond in the manner of someone who had lost his balance and accidentally contacted another player who was lying on the ground."
In his defense of Suh, Polian recounted a message Paul Tagliabue relayed from Pete Rozelle, the two commissioners before Roger Goodell.
"Suspension was absolutely the remedy of last resort because suspension carried with it penalties far beyond the player involved," Polian said. "It penalizes his teammates, it penalizes the franchise, it penalizes the fans of the franchise and it in many cases clearly affects competitive balance. To say that this suspension affects competitive balance in the playoffs is the understatement perhaps of the year."
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Mike Pereira and Bill Polian, two of the more respected NFL minds and both current TV analysts, said Monday they thought the punishment didn't fit the crime.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...ra-polian-say-suhs-punishment-harsh/21046441/
With Suh appealing the suspension Tuesday to Ted Cottrell, a former player jointly appointed by the league and NFL Players Association, having these two voices in his corner is a good sign, even though their support won't play a role in the decision.
Another reason Suh can be somewhat optimistic is the league didn't list his seven previous safety-related violations in its announcement of the suspension Monday, as it did when announcing Dominic Raiola's suspension last week — Raiola had five others since 2010. If Cottrell doesn't consider Suh's past in the ruling, there's a chance the punishment can be reduced.
If Cottrell upholds the suspension, Suh will miss the Lions' wild-card round matchup against the Dallas Cowboys Sunday.
Pereira, the former vice president of officiating who now works for FOX, posted a video on Twitter saying he thought the league only used heavy-handed punishment because of the two players involved.
"Listen, Suh stepped on Aaron Rodgers. And I firmly believe that if it wasn't Suh and it was another no-name who didn't have history and it wasn't Aaron Rodgers, it wouldn't have led to any type of a fine at all," Pereira said.
Pereira also said Walt Anderson, the referee for Sunday's game at Lambeau Field, texted someone at the league office to say he didn't see any intent when the play unfolded in real time.
"Slow motion makes it look a little different, but to me, is this egregious for a suspension? No," Pereira said. "His hit three weeks ago on (Buccaneers quarterback) Josh McCown was much worse than this, and he didn't even draw a fine for that. Pretty inconsistent discipline process coming out of New York in my opinion."
Polian, a former general manager for the Colts, Panthers and Bills who now works for ESPN, said on Sirius XM NFL Radio that a suspension should've been a last resort.
"I think in this case with the playoffs involved and with competitive balance involved, you better be darn sure — darn sure — beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a suspendable offense before you take a player of this nature off the field in a playoff game," he said.
Polian said he agreed with Pereira and added that even if the step was intentional, it wasn't worthy of a suspension. He also said officials aren't supposed to determine intent.
It's worth noting, though, that Polian and Lions coach Jim Caldwell are close friends after the two worked together for 10 years in Indianapolis.
In a letter to Suh, NFL Vice President of Football Operations Merton Hanks wrote that Suh's wrote step and pushoff could've been avoided and that he "did not respond in the manner of someone who had lost his balance and accidentally contacted another player who was lying on the ground."
In his defense of Suh, Polian recounted a message Paul Tagliabue relayed from Pete Rozelle, the two commissioners before Roger Goodell.
"Suspension was absolutely the remedy of last resort because suspension carried with it penalties far beyond the player involved," Polian said. "It penalizes his teammates, it penalizes the franchise, it penalizes the fans of the franchise and it in many cases clearly affects competitive balance. To say that this suspension affects competitive balance in the playoffs is the understatement perhaps of the year."
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The thing I have with the suspension is guilt or innocent. If you think he was wrong, the NFL, a fine just says because the other player wasn't hurt bad so give him a fine. But the intention was to hurt the guy, if they see that he was wrong.
I think they have to rule that he was wrong, suspension. Or he didn't nothing wrong, no fine or suspension.
I think they have to rule that he was wrong, suspension. Or he didn't nothing wrong, no fine or suspension.
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As far as the last statement tigermud, so players should try and injure someone week 17 because they shouldn't be suspended for a playoff game?
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