Super Bowl??

[LKP]

That's why this hire is extremely crucial for this team and more importantly, Stafford. I'd be very happy to see Whisenhunt, Roman, or Lovie/Tedford here, someone who can both run the show and work with Stafford.

Roman. Check Kaeps comp percentage since that is all that matters to all of you. Lower than stafford.

Stafford had 21 tds and 8 ints at about the 400 attempt mark too this year similar to Kaep.

We don't have 49ers run game or d that roman gets for wins with just decent passing.

And tedford has plenty of nfl failures. Joey Harrington and akili smith to name a few

 

[lgolfer]

Roman. Check Kaeps comp percentage since that is all that matters to all of you. Lower than stafford.

Stafford had 21 tds and 8 ints at about the 400 attempt mark too this year similar to Kaep.

We don't have 49ers run game or d that roman gets for wins with just decent passing.

And tedford has plenty of nfl failures. Joey Harrington and akili smith to name a few

So who would you like to be the new coach? Since all you're interested in doing is shooting down our suggestions.

 

[grandy]

When did I ever say completion percentage is the only thing that matters to me?

 

[grandy]

As for Roman, Alex Smith's numbers improved in Roman's first 2 years with SF.

Tedford has produced six 1st round QBs, the most recent being Rodgers. They haven't all panned out in the NFL but many had successful college careers.

 

[schles192]

When did I ever say completion percentage is the only thing that matters to me?

You said it right here

 

[biggunsbob]

Stafford made plays against Steelers(two drops before Calvin pick on jump ball), Bucs(throw to Durham for first down then fumbled, throw to Calvin(whole drive really), Ravens (TD drive to get the lead). Giants game there was 3rd and 1 stuff and a sack to end drives in the 4th. Pick 6 was bad but Stafford had to throw outside with LB on inside of Fauria. Eagles game blizzard didn't help foles or Stafford passing. McCoy and bad Lions run lost that game.


Vikings game, he did wilt after the fumble recovery and the first FG was a fiasco play calling after they got the offside gift on the Akers miss.

You are overexaggerating Staffords bad play. He made plays late in those games. The whole team did not.

He missed a wide open Reggie Bush the for a td on a 5-10 yard throw... Steelers defense was faked out and Bush could have run for day's if Matt had not thrown a 5-10 yard pass over his head..

Wide open CJ down the middle in the TB game he would have walked in..
We can go on and on for days on Matt's misses...

 

[Mitchrapp]

You said it right here

Haha.

 

[zyxt9]

And no one (except maybe LKP) is saying he is elite. Some of us are just saying for stretches of games he has had very similar numbers to QBs who are considered elite. Because of that fact, we think he has potential to be very good. We're not saying he IS elite. Just that a good coach could maybe make a big difference with him.

That was my point as well, sorry if it came across differently.

 

[LKP]

He missed a wide open Reggie Bush the for a td on a 5-10 yard throw... Steelers defense was faked out and Bush could have run for day's if Matt had not thrown a 5-10 yard pass over his head..

Wide open CJ down the middle in the TB game he would have walked in..
We can go on and on for days on Matt's misses...

Missing plays doesn't mean he didn't make other plays or enough plays. 27 points should be enough

 

[justchecking]

I've been reading and following everyone since the ESPN boards, but I've never chimed in at any time. Although the threads are generally negative (understandably so) due to years of the Lions crappy play, it seems that its been amplified. I just wanted to chime in on this whole Stafford debate. It seems that I normally tend to agree with LKP more often than not. He always posts numerous statistics/factual data to back up his argument, where as Mitch, Big Guns Bob, and Hughes post almost nothing but negative remarks with very minimal statistics. Although, Mitch, Bob, and Hughes do like to counter LKP with stats after the fact. If you folks were to bring your arguments into a boardroom, LKP would definitely be walking away the winner. I enjoy your debates, but LKP'S arguments have been owning you folks regarding Stafford.

Bob, regarding your argument about Stafford's misfires in the TB and Pitt games, you mentioned a whole 2 plays, while LKP provided example after example. But you did end it with you could go on and on. Very laughable with the catch-all statement to end it.

Mitch, you need to stop spewing out negative comments about Stafford without facts to back it up. You like to use comparisons like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Being that you're comparing him to 3 of the top 4 QB'S in the league is a complement in itself. You've said numerous times that you don't understand what everyone sees in Stafford (Announcers, analysts, and so forth), maybe because you're in the minority.

Hughes, you do sometimes provide stats, but your hatred for Stafford is obvious. You can't be convinced.

I'm not intentionally putting you 3 on blast either, it's just that you 3 seem to be the most vocal against LKP.

I'm sure after this post you'll be looking at my profile to see who I am, how old I am, or where I'm from, but you can't always trust what you see.

 

[lgolfer]

I've been reading and following everyone since the ESPN boards, but I've never chimed in at any time. Although the threads are generally negative (understandably so) due to years of the Lions crappy play, it seems that its been amplified. I just wanted to chime in on this whole Stafford debate. It seems that I normally tend to agree with LKP more often than not. He always posts numerous statistics/factual data to back up his argument, where as Mitch, Big Guns Bob, and Hughes post almost nothing but negative remarks with very minimal statistics. Although, Mitch, Bob, and Hughes do like to counter LKP with stats after the fact. If you folks were to bring your arguments into a boardroom, LKP would definitely be walking away the winner. I enjoy your debates, but LKP'S arguments have been owning you folks regarding Stafford.

Bob, regarding your argument about Stafford's misfires in the TB and Pitt games, you mentioned a whole 2 plays, while LKP provided example after example. But you did end it with you could go on and on. Very laughable with the catch-all statement to end it.

Mitch, you need to stop spewing out negative comments about Stafford without facts to back it up. You like to use comparisons like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Being that you're comparing him to 3 of the top 4 QB'S in the league is a complement in itself. You've said numerous times that you don't understand what everyone sees in Stafford (Announcers, analysts, and so forth), maybe because you're in the minority.

Hughes, you do sometimes provide stats, but your hatred for Stafford is obvious. You can't be convinced.

I'm not intentionally putting you 3 on blast either, it's just that you 3 seem to be the most vocal against LKP.

I'm sure after this post you'll be looking at my profile to see who I am, how old I am, or where I'm from, but you can't always trust what you see.

The problem is that the examples LKP gives are hypothetical. If a WR wouldn't have tipped the ball up (when in reality it was Stafford poor throw that caused the tip), if the weather had been better (Roethlisberger and Foles performed well in poor weather), if Calvin hadn't gotten jammed by Deangelo Hall (happens all the time to WRs around the league, including Calvin).
The examples that Bob gives, as well as some of us are examples where Stafford missed an open receiver for a touchdown, or a very large gain, or he threw a pick 6. These are all things that have occurred.

 

[biggunsbob]

I've been reading and following everyone since the ESPN boards, but I've never chimed in at any time. Although the threads are generally negative (understandably so) due to years of the Lions crappy play, it seems that its been amplified. I just wanted to chime in on this whole Stafford debate. It seems that I normally tend to agree with LKP more often than not. He always posts numerous statistics/factual data to back up his argument, where as Mitch, Big Guns Bob, and Hughes post almost nothing but negative remarks with very minimal statistics. Although, Mitch, Bob, and Hughes do like to counter LKP with stats after the fact. If you folks were to bring your arguments into a boardroom, LKP would definitely be walking away the winner. I enjoy your debates, but LKP'S arguments have been owning you folks regarding Stafford.

Bob, regarding your argument about Stafford's misfires in the TB and Pitt games, you mentioned a whole 2 plays, while LKP provided example after example. But you did end it with you could go on and on. Very laughable with the catch-all statement to end it.

Mitch, you need to stop spewing out negative comments about Stafford without facts to back it up. You like to use comparisons like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Being that you're comparing him to 3 of the top 4 QB'S in the league is a complement in itself. You've said numerous times that you don't understand what everyone sees in Stafford (Announcers, analysts, and so forth), maybe because you're in the minority.

Hughes, you do sometimes provide stats, but your hatred for Stafford is obvious. You can't be convinced.

I'm not intentionally putting you 3 on blast either, it's just that you 3 seem to be the most vocal against LKP.

I'm sure after this post you'll be looking at my profile to see who I am, how old I am, or where I'm from, but you can't always trust what you see.

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Here is a stat for you.
Lions were 6-3 and in control.
Lions finished 1-6 and out of the playoffs.

It is directly because of the coaches first and Matt and is INT's second... If you want me to go back and break down every game in which Matt Missed wide open receivers, threw off his back foot or made poor decisions I can do it for you.. All LKP mentions is Stafford greatness and it his teammates faults not his also... Matt never steps up and says it is on me...
All he ever says is the team has to play better..

 

[justchecking]

It seems that both sides speak hypothetically, but LKP brings statistics. Things like weather affecting games/QB play I think is more factual than not. Granted it's not a total fact because you never know how a person is going to play on any given Sunday. That snowfest in philly I think was unique. Might be one of the worst I've ever seen. Stafford's fumbles I believe have to be a fluke but who knows. The lions play in a dome so I expect us to not be as comfortable as other QB'S like foles and Roethlisburger outdoors. Although I do remember Roethlisburger overthrowing a wide open miller in the endzone. It happens. Manning seems to take a lot of chances every week as well but his receivers really help him out, and at times even bail him out.

 

[biggunsbob]

Here is what Ron Joworski said about Matt.

In said analysis, he said Stafford “needs more consistent mechanics to play at a higher level week in and week out” along with questioning his ability to read coverage as effectively under center and he does in shotgun.

 

[biggunsbob]

It seems that both sides speak hypothetically, but LKP brings statistics. Things like weather affecting games/QB play I think is more factual than not. Granted it's not a total fact because you never know how a person is going to play on any given Sunday. That snowfest in philly I think was unique. Might be one of the worst I've ever seen. Stafford's fumbles I believe have to be a fluke but who knows. The lions play in a dome so I expect us to not be as comfortable as other QB'S like foles and Roethlisburger outdoors. Although I do remember Roethlisburger overthrowing a wide open miller in the endzone. It happens. Manning seems to take a lot of chances every week as well but his receivers really help him out, and at times even bail him out.

I think Matt had 19 INT's.
Lions were 7-9...
Two Pick 6's cost the Lions wins.
Both were Matt's fault..

Petty sure you can take these facts back to your Board...

 

[grandy]

I'll never understand why fans are so fascinated with player quotes to the media. It's all just a show, filled with cliches and political correctness.

 

[thehippo73]

Here is what Ron Joworski said about Matt.

In said analysis, he said Stafford ?needs more consistent mechanics to play at a higher level week in and week out? along with questioning his ability to read coverage as effectively under center and he does in shotgun.

Jaws also said Kaepernick is gonna be the greatest QB ever. Jaws is overrated as an analyst IMO.

 

[mhughes0021]

I've been reading and following everyone since the ESPN boards, but I've never chimed in at any time. Although the threads are generally negative (understandably so) due to years of the Lions crappy play, it seems that its been amplified. I just wanted to chime in on this whole Stafford debate. It seems that I normally tend to agree with LKP more often than not. He always posts numerous statistics/factual data to back up his argument, where as Mitch, Big Guns Bob, and Hughes post almost nothing but negative remarks with very minimal statistics. Although, Mitch, Bob, and Hughes do like to counter LKP with stats after the fact. If you folks were to bring your arguments into a boardroom, LKP would definitely be walking away the winner. I enjoy your debates, but LKP'S arguments have been owning you folks regarding Stafford.

Bob, regarding your argument about Stafford's misfires in the TB and Pitt games, you mentioned a whole 2 plays, while LKP provided example after example. But you did end it with you could go on and on. Very laughable with the catch-all statement to end it.

Mitch, you need to stop spewing out negative comments about Stafford without facts to back it up. You like to use comparisons like Manning, Brees, and Rodgers. Being that you're comparing him to 3 of the top 4 QB'S in the league is a complement in itself. You've said numerous times that you don't understand what everyone sees in Stafford (Announcers, analysts, and so forth), maybe because you're in the minority.

Hughes, you do sometimes provide stats, but your hatred for Stafford is obvious. You can't be convinced.

I'm not intentionally putting you 3 on blast either, it's just that you 3 seem to be the most vocal against LKP.

I'm sure after this post you'll be looking at my profile to see who I am, how old I am, or where I'm from, but you can't always trust what you see.

Lkp can bring as many stats as he wants to the table....the bottom line is hes wrong all the time lol. So you can keep agreeing with him all you want....and you can continue to be wrong as well Happy new year.

 

[biggunsbob]

Here is some stuff for all the Matt lovers...Hopefully the new coach can fix him.. Just a great example below how inaccurate Mat was when we needed him... I think this guy has one of the throws I am talking about..
We all know we are stuck with Matt But can he take the coaching to get to the next level.


http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/11/what-happened-to-matthew-stafford/

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe you should change your name to "I won't come back no more". Lol. Lkp and facts don't go together. He's a excuse artist..a what if monger..

Thanks for stopping by though to add nothing, lol.