The FIX is in!!!

[dubbsco]

It was against Cleveland. It was nice. When is he going to do that stuff in the playoffs?

In the 6 years he's been the QB, has he gotten progressively better? Can you look at him and say, "yea, he's way better than year 2, year 3." I sure as hell can't. Looks to be the same dude over and over again.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So far he's a Scott Mitchell. Not saying he's worse than Scott Mitchell but a 1-year wonder. Great, horrible, average, average. And I think I'm being generous with those last two years.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford is probably more like Mark Brunell

 

[Mitchrapp]

Stafford is probably more like Mark Brunell

At this point I'd take Mark Brunell..

 

[dubbsco]

2009- 61.0 QBR
2010- 91.3 QBR
2011- 97.2 QBR
2012- 79.8 QBR
2013- 84.2 QBR
2014- 85.7 QBR

He's slowly climbing back up. He'll hit a 90 QBR in maybe 5 years.

 

[tomdalton22]

2009- 61.0 QBR
2010- 91.3 QBR
2011- 97.2 QBR
2012- 79.8 QBR
2013- 84.2 QBR
2014- 85.7 QBR

He's slowly climbing back up. He'll hit a 90 QBR in maybe 5 years.

Anyone who says he is more than a middle of the pack QB is a blind homer.

 

[Mitchrapp]

2009- 61.0 QBR
2010- 91.3 QBR
2011- 97.2 QBR
2012- 79.8 QBR
2013- 84.2 QBR
2014- 85.7 QBR

He's slowly climbing back up. He'll hit a 90 QBR in maybe 5 years.

TBH, I don't care much for the quarterback rating..Does it tell if someone is better than someone else? Maybe. But not all ratings of 85 are the same. Matt's biggest problem is consistency. It always has been. And it changes from game to game, even quarter to quarter and play by play. He can make a great throw followed by a handful of shitty ones.

 

[mhughes0021]

TBH, I don't care much for the quarterback rating..Does it tell if someone is better than someone else? Maybe. But not all ratings of 85 are the same. Matt's biggest problem is consistency. It always has been. And it changes from game to game, even quarter to quarter and play by play. He can make a great throw followed by a handful of shitty ones.

kind of off topic...but there are some ways you can raise your qbr that Stafford doesn't do well at all. They were talking on ESPN radio how Joe Flacco gets a higher qbr because 4 out of the last 5 years hes led the league in shots down field (20+ yards) that led to PI penalties. Those PI penalties have led to the team scoring an average of 5 more points per game. Now some would say PI are debatable...which they are....BUT you also have to take the chance and give your guy a shot to make a play. Stafford almost never does that. And yes....PI calls of 20 + yards add to your QBR rating. So not only is Stafford horrible at completing the deep ball.....hes horrible at getting PI calls on the deep ball as well. Detroit sure could have used an extra 5 points per game this year.....

 

[tomdalton22]

kind of off topic...but there are some ways you can raise your qbr that Stafford doesn't do well at all. They were talking on ESPN radio how Joe Flacco gets a higher qbr because 4 out of the last 5 years hes led the league in shots down field (20+ yards) that led to PI penalties. Those PI penalties have led to the team scoring an average of 5 more points per game. Now some would say PI are debatable...which they are....BUT you also have to take the chance and give your guy a shot to make a play. Stafford almost never does that. And yes....PI calls of 20 + yards add to your QBR rating. So not only is Stafford horrible at completing the deep ball.....hes horrible at getting PI calls on the deep ball as well. Detroit sure could have used an extra 5 points per game this year.....

I think the pass interference calls go towards ESPN's QBR...not the traditional QB rating that has been used since 1960

 

[Mitchrapp]

kind of off topic...but there are some ways you can raise your qbr that Stafford doesn't do well at all. They were talking on ESPN radio how Joe Flacco gets a higher qbr because 4 out of the last 5 years hes led the league in shots down field (20+ yards) that led to PI penalties. Those PI penalties have led to the team scoring an average of 5 more points per game. Now some would say PI are debatable...which they are....BUT you also have to take the chance and give your guy a shot to make a play. Stafford almost never does that. And yes....PI calls of 20 + yards add to your QBR rating. So not only is Stafford horrible at completing the deep ball.....hes horrible at getting PI calls on the deep ball as well. Detroit sure could have used an extra 5 points per game this year.....

When your deep balls sail 10 yards out of bounds those PI's aren't coming. And of course Matt wasn't throwing 20+ that often this season. But yeah its part of the point similar ratings don't mean similar play.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I think the pass interference calls go towards ESPN's QBR...not the traditional QB rating that has been used since 1960

I think he meant because it got them down field, in scoring position more often - and more points (TD's) so the rating went up. I think.

 

[LKP]

97 QB rating at home
Didn't get much help in road games.

 

[tomdalton22]

97 QB rating at home
Didn't get much help in road games.

homer answer.

The correct answer is he is better at home because he is indoors and performs poorly on the road.

 

[Mitchrapp]

97 QB rating at home
Didn't get much help in road games.

Or maybe he got too much help at home? Plus, you can't win on the road against good teams you'll never go anywhere.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think he meant because it got them down field, in scoring position more often - and more points (TD's) so the rating went up. I think.

oh...I didn't think that PI calls went towards ESPN's QB rating either but they do include all kinds of crazy shit.

 

[Mitchrapp]

oh...I didn't think that PI calls went towards ESPN's QB rating either but they do include all kinds of crazy shit.

Like a sack goes against a QB. Everyone, even if its not his fault. The new QBR sucks..

 

[inkfreq]

Like a sack goes against a QB. Everyone, even if its not his fault. The new QBR sucks..

Total QBR, ESPN's metric, is designed to prioritize certain plays above other. For example, a TD in garbage time doesn't equate the to same math as a TD in the final minute of a close game, or a TD that gives your team the lead in the 3rd quarter.

It also accounts for things like an INT thrown in the desperate moment of a final hail mary attempt, vs a TD thrown against a bad defense in the 1st quarter, and goes even so far as to account for the difference between a long INT vs. a short INT.

I tried to read through it all when they did their big "announcement" on it, but to be honest, I found the BCS standing calculations to be easier to understand... and I didn't understand those either.

I saw TQBR as an attempt to bring Sabermetrics to football, and if you are going to do that, just give us a park adjusted WAR for every player, and we will still be just as confused, but we will at least have one single number to argue over.

Sabermetrics thinking is never going to apply to football because the playcalling is the X factor the players don't control.

In baseball, each player is expected to reach a certain number of at-bats, and have a certain number of fielded balls for their position. It normalizes the metrics. In football carries don't get split evenly among runnings backs, some teams use a featured back, some by platoon, some use a two back system... and some teams run more and some pass more.

It skews the numbers when trying to make comparatives, and it's something the player on the field has no control over.

 

[dubbsco]

I believe the numbers I posted were the widely used Quarterback Rating, and not the ESPN's goofy system.

Regardless of how you slice the numbers, they are average at best. And the excuse making for him needs to stop. This was his put up or shut up year. And he was very underwhelming.

 

[inkfreq]

I believe the numbers I posted were the widely used Quarterback Rating, and not the ESPN's goofy system.

Regardless of how you slice the numbers, they are average at best. And the excuse making for him needs to stop. This was his put up or shut up year. And he was very underwhelming.

For the most part I agree. I just don't see how we can call a first year with a new coach, a new offensive coordinator (a first timer no less), in a new system a "put up or shut up year".

Nearly every QB ever would struggle in that season. Add in the injuries and constant shakeups on the offensive line (did our five starters even see the field at the same time one game this season?) and there are just too many piss poor variables to judge to guy off of.

For every person who points to his QBR, I point out he was still over 4K yards, interceptions were down, and had the highest accuracy rating of his career (unless 2011 was higher, I dunno)...

...TD's were down, QBR was down, and there were a lot of negatives too. I just don't think this can be his make it or break it season when I can't imagine ANY quarterback playing well on this team this year.

I think Montana would have struggled. Elway would have struggled. Marino would have struggled.

... on the other hand, I would not have struggled. And I just signed a 6 year, $52MM contract to play QB for the Lions. No joke, I did. Seriously.

Now the trick is going to be getting the Lions to sign it too.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I believe the numbers I posted were the widely used Quarterback Rating, and not the ESPN's goofy system.

Regardless of how you slice the numbers, they are average at best. And the excuse making for him needs to stop. This was his put up or shut up year. And he was very underwhelming.

Why was this his put up or shut up year?? Because you said?

New head coach. New OC. New play caller. You chose that as his put up or shut up year???

GENIUS!!!!