The FIX is in!!!

[dubbsco]

Ink, that's all we have been doing with this guy. We just make excuses for him. If it's not the o-line, it's the run game. Not the run game, it's the WRs. Not the WRs, but the TEs.

It's just the same tired excuse making. It's time for him to make his teammates better. The great ones will lift a team and put them on his back when the rest are struggling. They'll go into a GB, or Arizona, or whatever big dogs and steal a game now and again. He's not capable of it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He's average. Average is okay unless of course you're making a ton of money. He might have a good year again but I don't see him more than he is now. Either accept him or hate him, like I do.

I don't buy the first year with HC and coaching staff. The coaching staff doesn't control his airmailing passes over receivers heads or throwing into the ground..

Many QB do just fine with HC change.

 

[LKP]

97 QB rating at home.

No run game more than ever, poor protection more than ever. Calvin out 5 really.

Ints reduced with 600 attempts still. 5th in attempts. Would have had around 620 attempts again if he had protection.

71 TDS/FG attempt drives. Alot him without a run game.
11 wins. Stafford put up.

 

[jared]

Anyone who says he is more than a middle of the pack QB is a blind homer.

That's a little bit of a stretch.

He was 21 out of 33 ranked QBs. That's bottom third.

 

[Mitchrapp]

That's a little bit of a stretch.

He was 21 out of 33 ranked QBs. That's bottom third.

Haha.

 

[tomdalton22]

97 QB rating at home.

No run game more than ever, poor protection more than ever. Calvin out 5 really.

Ints reduced with 600 attempts still. 5th in attempts. Would have had around 620 attempts again if he had protection.

71 TDS/FG attempt drives. Alot him without a run game.
11 wins. Stafford put up.

If only he could only play home games...he would be a top 10 QB.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If only he could only play home games...he would be a top 10 QB.

Without doing the research I suspect if all QB's used home stats, Matt would not move at all.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Based on the QB rating, Matt is ahead of rookies, rejects and backups. Outside Dalton maybe in which Matt is similar..the list sucks.

21 Matthew Stafford: 85.8
22 Teddy Bridgewater: 85.2
23 Austin Davis: 85.1
24 Shaun Hill: 83.9
25 Cam Newton: 82.2
26 Andy Dalton: 82.0
27 Nick Foles: 81.5
28 Drew Stanton: 78.7
29 Geno Smith: 77.5
30 Brian Hoyer: 76.6
31 Derek Carr : 76.6
32 Josh McCown: 70.5
33 Blake Bortles: 69.5

 

[Mitchrapp]

Everyone smashed Cutler, the media, fans even the team and he was still better than Matt. Damn man..

 

[dubbsco]

Could you imagine Stafford in a real football city? New York, Philly? He would have been ran out of town.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Maybe we need to revisit the Matt vs Mark (Sanchez) talk.

 

[sggatecl]

Maybe we need to revisit the Matt vs Mark (Sanchez) talk.

Please..no. Constantly talking about one average QB is quite enough thank you.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Matt vs Mark vs Josh..

 

[inkfreq]

Ink, that's all we have been doing with this guy. We just make excuses for him. If it's not the o-line, it's the run game. Not the run game, it's the WRs. Not the WRs, but the TEs.

It's just the same tired excuse making. It's time for him to make his teammates better. The great ones will lift a team and put them on his back when the rest are struggling. They'll go into a GB, or Arizona, or whatever big dogs and steal a game now and again. He's not capable of it.

Joe Namath has a SuperBowl ring. Dan Marino does not.

Eli Manning has TWo SuperBowl rings. Peyton Manning has one fewer.

Sonny Jurgensen is in the Hall of Fame, he also never won a playoff game in his entire career.

Archie Manning was an excellent quarterback. No playoff wins. No winning seasons.

At the time he retired, Neil Lomax had the 4th highest QBR of all time, behind only Montana, Graham, and Staubach. He also had no playoff wins in his career.

Bert Jones was one of the best QB's of his generation in the 70s... and again, no playoff wins.


Sorry, but I have never bought into the argument that the great QB's make their teams better. Certainly a shitty QB can make his team a lot worse, but the history of the NFL is littered with great QBs on bad team, or great QBs with bad luck, who didn't do as much as Stafford already has.

It's a very romanticized view of the game of football. And while it is a QB league to be sure, take a long look at the great signal callers who walked away with no ring, and you quickly realize that the best QBs are often made better by the players around them, and rarely vice versa.

It's the question people love to debate now... "Was Joe Montana the best of his generation, or did Jerry Rice make Joe Montana the best of his generation?"

 

[tomdalton22]

Joe Namath has a SuperBowl ring. Dan Marino does not.

Eli Manning has TWo SuperBowl rings. Peyton Manning has one fewer.

Sonny Jurgensen is in the Hall of Fame, he also never won a playoff game in his entire career.

Archie Manning was an excellent quarterback. No playoff wins. No winning seasons.

At the time he retired, Neil Lomax had the 4th highest QBR of all time, behind only Montana, Graham, and Staubach. He also had no playoff wins in his career.

Bert Jones was one of the best QB's of his generation in the 70s... and again, no playoff wins.


Sorry, but I have never bought into the argument that the great QB's make their teams better. Certainly a shitty QB can make his team a lot worse, but the history of the NFL is littered with great QBs on bad team, or great QBs with bad luck, who didn't do as much as Stafford already has.

It's a very romanticized view of the game of football. And while it is a QB league to be sure, take a long look at the great signal callers who walked away with no ring, and you quickly realize that the best QBs are often made better by the players around them, and rarely vice versa.

It's the question people love to debate now... "Was Joe Montana the best of his generation, or did Jerry Rice make Joe Montana the best of his generation?"

Montana had 2 SB rings before Rice was in the league.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The difference is watching them play..we all know Peyton is the better brother. That Marino was a great QB. That Bert Jones was awesome..

Can you say the same about Matt? In his generation where does he fit, right in the middle, at best.

All that you list are much better than Matt.. and that includes Eli. Lomax is like a tie.

What compliments does Matt get? Yards and "he can make that throw.." Yards are the equivalent of the hold stat in baseball. And he can make that throw, sure, once.

 

[mhughes0021]

Sorry, but I have never bought into the argument that the great QB's make their teams better. Certainly a shitty QB can make his team a lot worse,

So you agree...Stafford is shitty. Nice were all on the same page!

You gave very specific examples...much of them from when the game was very different. Broaden your perspective and make it recent.....look at the teams in the playoffs this year. Look at the teams that didn't make the playoffs this year. And there ya go...

There might be 2 upper tier qbs that didn't make the playoffs...and they just so happened to be in the worst division in the history of the league....so I think its fair to say you can use matt ryan and drew brees as an outlier. Phillip Rivers is a 3rd...but they were in the playoff hunt until the last week.

Stafford led an offense that was horrid and couldn't score more than 20 point in a game....all year. His team got in the playoffs because of their defense who didn't let up more than 20 points in a game...all year. They also lost in the first round of the playoffs and the higher rated qb (romo) led 2 late drives in the 4th quarter and completed 2 4th down passes to win. Our qb threw it to a blanketed TE that caught like 4 passes all year on 3rd n 1 to lose the game.

 

[mhughes0021]

Stafford, Lindley and Dalton had the worst QBRs of any playoff teams....weird....all those teams are out already. Cam is next and he had the fortune to go up against Lindley. Coincidence? Doubtful...

Tell the Bengals that qbs don't matter....top to bottom they have a better roster than the Colts....they lost cause Dalton is garbage.

1 Tony Romo, DAL 86.2 3.3 -18.8 5.1 75.7 537 103.9 61.1 82.7
2 Aaron Rodgers, GB 91.9 11.7 -17.0 6.6 93.2 648 125.0 73.4 82.6
3 Peyton Manning, DEN 91.3 -3.3 -10.8 5.4 82.5 704 118.6 62.4 77.2
4 Tom Brady, NE 81.6 3.6 -12.5 6.2 78.9 699 109.6 53.9 74.3
5 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 91.8 -2.1 -19.2 5.1 75.5 713 107.0 50.1 72.5
6 Drew Brees, NO 89.7 2.4 -17.6 7.8 82.4 765 112.2 51.2 71.6
7 Eli Manning, NYG 84.4 1.8 -16.4 4.6 74.4 701 101.3 45.4 70.9
8 Joe Flacco, BAL 65.5 -0.9 -13.9 12.9 63.7 659 87.2 34.6 67.3
9 Matt Ryan, ATL 81.6 2.9 -18.6 1.5 67.3 741 97.1 38.0 67.0
10 Philip Rivers, SD 81.0 -0.1 -20.0 7.2 68.1 707 92.3 35.9 66.8
11 Andrew Luck, IND 63.7 8.5 -17.0 5.8 61.0 770 93.0 31.6 63.8
12 Russell Wilson, SEA 48.0 31.8 -22.9 0.4 57.4 663 77.3 24.5 62.4
13 Nick Foles, PHI 31.0 1.8 -5.9 4.7 31.6 368 42.6 13.3 62.2
14 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 72.9 3.7 -26.8 7.6 57.4 755 80.3 20.1 59.1
15 Mark Sanchez, PHI 38.0 -0.3 -13.1 1.4 25.9 387 40.2 9.3 58.2
16 Cam Newton, CAR 42.4 15.7 -19.5 4.0 42.5 639 63.7 12.8 56.9
17 Colin Kaepernick, SF 58.8 14.3 -28.6 4.3 48.8 696 67.4 11.9 55.9
18 Ryan Fitzpatrick, HOU 33.3 5.3 -11.6 -0.1 27.0 420 40.0 6.5 55.3
19 Andy Dalton, CIN 43.9 1.9 -10.1 4.5 40.2 608 57.7 9.2 55.2
20 Matthew Stafford, DET 64.1 -1.9 -23.5 9.2 47.9 729 68.9 10.7 55.1
21 Jay Cutler, CHI 52.6 7.9 -19.3 1.8 43.0 703 64.3 8.3 54.0
22 Teddy Bridgewater, MIN 46.0 7.3 -24.6 2.8 31.5 523 41.9 0.2 50.2
23 Alex Smith, KC 47.7 7.5 -26.0 3.9 33.1 616 48.0 -1.1 49.4
24 Brian Hoyer, CLE 39.3 -3.7 -16.1 1.9 21.4 538 32.0 -10.9 43.1
25 Kyle Orton, BUF 41.6 -0.9 -19.0 -1.6 20.1 539 31.2 -11.7 42.6
26 Derek Carr, OAK 29.4 -1.2 -12.3 0.4 16.3 702 31.8 -24.1 38.4
27 Austin Davis, STL 23.3 -1.4 -15.6 1.6 7.9 355 15.3 -13.0 37.6
28 Josh McCown, TB 25.1 7.1 -23.4 -0.3 8.5 425 15.8 -18.1 35.7
29 Geno Smith, NYJ 28.2 -3.6 -16.8 2.1 10.0 494 17.9 -21.5 35.4
30 Blake Bortles, JAX 3.4 8.7 -28.3 3.2 -13.0 637 -7.9 -58.7 21.9

 

[cheeno]

Joe Namath has a SuperBowl ring. Dan Marino does not.

Eli Manning has TWo SuperBowl rings. Peyton Manning has one fewer.

Sonny Jurgensen is in the Hall of Fame, he also never won a playoff game in his entire career.

Archie Manning was an excellent quarterback. No playoff wins. No winning seasons.

At the time he retired, Neil Lomax had the 4th highest QBR of all time, behind only Montana, Graham, and Staubach. He also had no playoff wins in his career.

Bert Jones was one of the best QB's of his generation in the 70s... and again, no playoff wins.


Sorry, but I have never bought into the argument that the great QB's make their teams better. Certainly a shitty QB can make his team a lot worse, but the history of the NFL is littered with great QBs on bad team, or great QBs with bad luck, who didn't do as much as Stafford already has.

It's a very romanticized view of the game of football. And while it is a QB league to be sure, take a long look at the great signal callers who walked away with no ring, and you quickly realize that the best QBs are often made better by the players around them, and rarely vice versa.

It's the question people love to debate now... "Was Joe Montana the best of his generation, or did Jerry Rice make Joe Montana the best of his generation?"

Thanks for that trip in the hot tub time machine Chevy Chase. It's 2014 the rules have been so modified that QBs rule the roost. Like a great man once said having a great QB in today's game doesn't work all the time, but 80% of the time it works every time.

 

[dubbsco]

Yeah you guys stole my thunder. Most of those examples are from before I was born. The game is so evolved to tailor the QB.