The FIX is in!!!

[cheeno]

What's funny is you're still missing your error......and you're not even smart enough to see it!

Why would I? I got you on my jock to check my work for me.

 

[cheeno]

I think he's got you cheeno, your article says 70 not 71.

You're right I did not complete the process of the stat.

 

[elrod817]

You're right I did not complete the process of the stat.

I'd like to change my username to genesteratore.

 

[cheeno]

I'd like to change my username to genesteratore.

lol petition Monster. We need at least one on this board.

 

[inkfreq]

Luck was sacked hit or pressured 71 times in the regular season, tops in the league. The next highest total was Big Ben at 26.

Unless I misunderstand, what you just said isn't even possible.

Luck led the league in being "sacked, hit, or pressured" with 71. Big Ben was #2 with 26.

But Stafford was sacked 45 times this season, the highest total of his career, and about double last season's total.

45 is a bigger number than 26 right? That's just his sacks alone, not his hits or pressures. And I am 100% sure Big Ben was "sacked, hit, or pressured" more than 26 times.

Bortles was sacked 55 times to lead the league. Andrew luck was 22nd in the league in sacks with only 27.

 

[cheeno]

Unless I misunderstand, what you just said isn't even possible.

Luck led the league in being "sacked, hit, or pressured" with 71. Big Ben was #2 with 26.

But Stafford was sacked 45 times this season, the highest total of his career, and about double last season's total.

45 is a bigger number than 26 right? That's just his sacks alone, not his hits or pressures. And I am 100% sure Big Ben was "sacked, hit, or pressured" more than 26 times.

Bortles was sacked 55 times to lead the league. Andrew luck was 22nd in the league in sacks with only 27.

Damn you ink and your journalistic standards. Luck was the most hit QB in the league. I heard it on the radio, geez turn me in to the FCC why don't you. Bottom line is Luck is another QB our boy can't sniff, and good QBs can overcome a lot, even a porous oline.

 

[mhughes0021]

Sacks given up
Detroit 45
Indy 29

easily can explained by luck having actual feet attached to his ankles unlike our dufus.

Hits given up
Det 91
Indy 101

yup... both olines are shitty. yup...luck is WAYYYYY better than Stafford. yup....we still pay Stafford WAYYYY too much money.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Unless I misunderstand, what you just said isn't even possible.

Luck led the league in being "sacked, hit, or pressured" with 71. Big Ben was #2 with 26.

But Stafford was sacked 45 times this season, the highest total of his career, and about double last season's total.

45 is a bigger number than 26 right? That's just his sacks alone, not his hits or pressures. And I am 100% sure Big Ben was "sacked, hit, or pressured" more than 26 times.

Bortles was sacked 55 times to lead the league. Andrew luck was 22nd in the league in sacks with only 27.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand BOOM goes the dynamite!

Like I said, 100% wrong.

Keep tryin, Cheeno!

 

[inkfreq]

Damn you ink and your journalistic standards. Luck was the most hit QB in the league. I heard it on the radio, geez turn me in to the FCC why don't you. Bottom line is Luck is another QB our boy can't sniff, and good QBs can overcome a lot, even a porous oline.

I doubt anyone on this board, with the exception of LKP, would argue your basic point. Luck is a complete stud, and I am 100% jealous of Colts fans who had the absolute privilege of going from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck.

But in the context of the argument, while Luck is an amazing specimen, thats doesn't change that we do have a QB who isn't very mobile, and when his line caves, he cannot be expecte to play at his highest level.

The question at hand is whether or not it's fair to call 2014 Stafford's make it or break it season, and clearly, it's not. The fact that he is not a mobile QB doesn't mean he sucks, the NFL is riddled with QBs with no legs.

The job of an offensive line is to protect the QB, and ours didn't. There is no argument, to the best of my knowledge, as to whether or not Luck is better than Stafford, or even whether Stafford is among the best best in the league. He's not.

But how can you judge him and him alone, when his line was a major breakdown in front of him? It would be like judging David Carr on his first three seasons in the league and saying he sucks because he didn't throw deep in the 1.4 seconds he had to throw.

 

[cheeno]

I doubt anyone on this board, with the exception of LKP, would argue your basic point. Luck is a complete stud, and I am 100% jealous of Colts fans who had the absolute privilege of going from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck.

But in the context of the argument, while Luck is an amazing specimen, thats doesn't change that we do have a QB who isn't very mobile, and when his line caves, he cannot be expecte to play at his highest level.

The question at hand is whether or not it's fair to call 2014 Stafford's make it or break it season, and clearly, it's not. The fact that he is not a mobile QB doesn't mean he sucks, the NFL is riddled with QBs with no legs.

The job of an offensive line is to protect the QB, and ours didn't. There is no argument, to the best of my knowledge, as to whether or not Luck is better than Stafford, or even whether Stafford is among the best best in the league. He's not.

But how can you judge him and him alone, when his line was a major breakdown in front of him? It would be like judging David Carr on his first three seasons in the league and saying he sucks because he didn't throw deep in the 1.4 seconds he had to throw.

I get that your are not trying to compare the two, my bad for trying to paint it that way. But the offense laid an egg this season bottom line. Some of that is on the oline, some on the coaches, Matt should receive his fair share of the blame. Heck we have the whole offseason to divvy up portions. What do you think Staffords portion should be Ink? When is his make it or break it season? What more needs to be in place before we can properly evaluate him?

 

[dubbsco]

It seems like the only time we can evaluate him is when he's having good games, and then turn around and come up with justifications when he has bad ones.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It seems like the only time we can evaluate him is when he's having good games, and then turn around and come up with justifications when he has bad ones.

Some truth to that. Plus, we can discuss when Crayola or Sims is bad, or the OC etc. But we can't do the same for Matt. Maybe Matt makes the OL bad? Ever thought of that? Maybe Matt doesn't listen to Lombardi?

We have 3 people making stud money and only 2 worth it.

 

[dubbsco]

Think the Jets, Redskins, Raiders... any team with a shitty record pins their poor QB play on their offensive coordinator??

Play calling was fine.

 

[mhughes0021]

I doubt anyone on this board, with the exception of LKP, would argue your basic point. Luck is a complete stud, and I am 100% jealous of Colts fans who had the absolute privilege of going from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck.

But in the context of the argument, while Luck is an amazing specimen, thats doesn't change that we do have a QB who isn't very mobile, and when his line caves, he cannot be expecte to play at his highest level.

The question at hand is whether or not it's fair to call 2014 Stafford's make it or break it season, and clearly, it's not. The fact that he is not a mobile QB doesn't mean he sucks, the NFL is riddled with QBs with no legs.

The job of an offensive line is to protect the QB, and ours didn't. There is no argument, to the best of my knowledge, as to whether or not Luck is better than Stafford, or even whether Stafford is among the best best in the league. He's not.

But how can you judge him and him alone, when his line was a major breakdown in front of him? It would be like judging David Carr on his first three seasons in the league and saying he sucks because he didn't throw deep in the 1.4 seconds he had to throw.

his qb rating and qbr sucks when the oline grades well. His qbr and qb rating sucks when the oline grades poorly. His qbr rating and qbr sucks when its hot. his qbr rating and qbr sucks when its cold. His qbr rating and qbr sucks when the sky is blue. His qbr and qbr rating sucks when he eats green eggs and ham. 1 fish 2 fish....

and when the oline plays well we make another excuse. Pretty sure ive said this a million times....when your qb needs to make that many excuses for poor play....hes not a very good qb.

 

[Mitchrapp]

his qb rating and qbr sucks when the oline grades well. His qbr and qb rating sucks when the oline grades poorly. His qbr rating and qbr sucks when its hot. his qbr rating and qbr sucks when its cold. His qbr rating and qbr sucks when the sky is blue. His qbr and qbr rating sucks when he eats green eggs and ham. 1 fish 2 fish....

and when the oline plays well we make another excuse. Pretty sure ive said this a million times....when your qb needs to make that many excuses for poor play....hes not a very good qb.

So what are you saying?

 

[inkfreq]

I get that your are not trying to compare the two, my bad for trying to paint it that way. But the offense laid an egg this season bottom line. Some of that is on the oline, some on the coaches, Matt should receive his fair share of the blame. Heck we have the whole offseason to divvy up portions. What do you think Staffords portion should be Ink? When is his make it or break it season? What more needs to be in place before we can properly evaluate him?

Can't answer any of that. In all honesty, I think there have been many talented QBs in the league who's careers look like shit in retrospect mostly because of the team or the circumstances around them.

David Carr is one example I already mentioned. The kid had an unreal amount of talent, and was shell shocked into oblivious by being sacked like 43 trillion times his rookie year. He went from being a complete badass to a guy with happy feet bailing out of the pocket, and the team around him was the complete reason for it.

Kerry Collins was a guy with exceptional skills, but circumstances never worked out for him, and he ended his career as an above average backup QB. He could have been a star in the right surroundings, but he was never really put in the right situation to succeed.

I don't know if we will ever get an honest evaluation of Matt Stafford, other than what we have seen in the past. He's a risky QB who makes big plays and big mistakes. He can go deep, but he can also cough it up short.

All I know for sure is THIS season isn't the right way to evaluate the guy. You can look at his past seasons and see both ups and down, but clearly more downs than ups. You can wait out another season or two and see where things go. But THIS season is a horrible season under which to judge a QB in Detroit.

When I see Stafford, I see a lot of David Carr. He's got an unreal amount of talent, and could be among the best in the game, but he's not living up to it, for whatever the reason.

Right now, I don't think he's had a very good career. I have no reason to think it's going to get any better. If I had to make a best guess, I'd say we've seen what he has to offer.

But it would only be a guess at this point, because he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed, and THIS season was a train wreck in playcalling and the line in front of him.

He finally has some weapons in Tate, Bell, Ebron (laugh it up), Riddick, Calvin, Fauria... but I just can't judge his abilities under a worst case scenario.

 

[inkfreq]

Hell guys, let's break it down like this....

If Alex Henery goes a measy one for three against Buffalo, a shitty rate for a kicker as is, and the Lions likely win. ONE FOR THREE! Two for three guarantees the win.

The Lions finish the season 12-4 and win the NFC North.

The difference between a disappointing season and a divisional title was a kicker being able to hit one lousy field goal from under 45 yards in three attempts.

I feel I have a lot more reason to say let's give it another season to see what happens, than anyone else does to throw the baby away with the bath water.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Can't answer any of that. In all honesty, I think there have been many talented QBs in the league who's careers look like shit in retrospect mostly because of the team or the circumstances around them.

David Carr is one example I already mentioned. The kid had an unreal amount of talent, and was shell shocked into oblivious by being sacked like 43 trillion times his rookie year. He went from being a complete badass to a guy with happy feet bailing out of the pocket, and the team around him was the complete reason for it.

Kerry Collins was a guy with exceptional skills, but circumstances never worked out for him, and he ended his career as an above average backup QB. He could have been a star in the right surroundings, but he was never really put in the right situation to succeed.

I don't know if we will ever get an honest evaluation of Matt Stafford, other than what we have seen in the past. He's a risky QB who makes big plays and big mistakes. He can go deep, but he can also cough it up short.

All I know for sure is THIS season isn't the right way to evaluate the guy. You can look at his past seasons and see both ups and down, but clearly more downs than ups. You can wait out another season or two and see where things go. But THIS season is a horrible season under which to judge a QB in Detroit.

When I see Stafford, I see a lot of David Carr. He's got an unreal amount of talent, and could be among the best in the game, but he's not living up to it, for whatever the reason.

Right now, I don't think he's had a very good career. I have no reason to think it's going to get any better. If I had to make a best guess, I'd say we've seen what he has to offer.

But it would only be a guess at this point, because he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed, and THIS season was a train wreck in playcalling and the line in front of him.

He finally has some weapons in Tate, Bell, Ebron (laugh it up), Riddick, Calvin, Fauria... but I just can't judge his abilities under a worst case scenario.

So when a QB fails just blame the offensive line..makes sense. Maybe Carr would have been shit plus Matt Stafford wasn't very good at Georgia. His accuracy wasn't very good, so that transferred to the pro's nicely. His TD-INT wasn't very good, again that transferred to the pro's nicely. Just like in the pro's, Matt was a 1 year wonder at Georgia.

 

[mhughes0021]

Can't answer any of that. In all honesty, I think there have been many talented QBs in the league who's careers look like shit in retrospect mostly because of the team or the circumstances around them.

David Carr is one example I already mentioned. The kid had an unreal amount of talent, and was shell shocked into oblivious by being sacked like 43 trillion times his rookie year. He went from being a complete badass to a guy with happy feet bailing out of the pocket, and the team around him was the complete reason for it.

Kerry Collins was a guy with exceptional skills, but circumstances never worked out for him, and he ended his career as an above average backup QB. He could have been a star in the right surroundings, but he was never really put in the right situation to succeed.

I don't know if we will ever get an honest evaluation of Matt Stafford, other than what we have seen in the past. He's a risky QB who makes big plays and big mistakes. He can go deep, but he can also cough it up short.

All I know for sure is THIS season isn't the right way to evaluate the guy. You can look at his past seasons and see both ups and down, but clearly more downs than ups. You can wait out another season or two and see where things go. But THIS season is a horrible season under which to judge a QB in Detroit.

When I see Stafford, I see a lot of David Carr. He's got an unreal amount of talent, and could be among the best in the game, but he's not living up to it, for whatever the reason.

Right now, I don't think he's had a very good career. I have no reason to think it's going to get any better. If I had to make a best guess, I'd say we've seen what he has to offer.

But it would only be a guess at this point, because he hasn't really been put in a position to succeed, and THIS season was a train wreck in playcalling and the line in front of him.

He finally has some weapons in Tate, Bell, Ebron (laugh it up), Riddick, Calvin, Fauria... but I just can't judge his abilities under a worst case scenario.

I manage merchandisers...and when im in interviews I always ask myself....will this kid make my team better. Its a very simple question. But...when 15 or more qbs can probably do it better than the guy you have and the guy you have is handicapping the shit out of your payroll....meh....it should be a no brainer.

 

[tigermud]

Hey that fix is in author guy was on that consirpcy show that you'll all won't admit you like today. Kewl