Tigers and MLB 2018 offseason

[turok]

Rooting for Brock Deatherage to make it to the big club in '20.

b/c he has a cool surname that could be the name of a heavy metal band.

I've never been one to buy authentic sports jerseys or shirts, but I would seriously consider buying his.

 

[turok]

Tigers are gonna be a mid-market ballclub, with a small-market payroll under the Ilitches from now on, IMO. The days of star, much less superstar FA signings died with Mr. I.

There will be Miggy and Zimmerman (b/c untradeable) then a precipitous dropoff in salary for the remainder of their teams

 

[tomdalton22]

Tigers are gonna be a mid-market ballclub, with a small-market payroll under the Ilitches from now on, IMO. The days of star, much less superstar FA signings died with Mr. I.

There will be Miggy and Zimmerman (b/c untradeable) then a precipitous dropoff in salary for the remainder of their teams

well, they are in a mid-sized market, so it makes sense that they would spend like a mid-market team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

They don't have to spend high. Just look at the Dodgers they haven't won a WS in forever. Mid markets with mid market caps win all the time.

 

[tomdalton22]

They don't have to spend high. Just look at the Dodgers they haven't won a WS in forever. Mid markets with mid market caps win all the time.

yes, it can happen, but not as common as the big market teams winning.

Over the past 20 years, only 4 mid or small market teams have won.

St Louis, Diamondbacks, Marlins & KC

 

[Mitchrapp]

yes, it can happen, but not as common as the big market teams winning.

Over the past 20 years, only 4 mid or small market teams have won.

St Louis, Diamondbacks, Marlins & KC

How about Houston?

 

[Mitchrapp]

And St. Louis won multiple times. Same with Florida.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And if you extend it to 30 years even a greater %.

 

[tomdalton22]

How about Houston?

Large market team (#7)

 

[tomdalton22]

And St. Louis won multiple times. Same with Florida.

St Louis won twice in the past 20 years. FL once.

 

[Mitchrapp]

St Louis won twice in the past 20 years. FL once.

21 years for that extra Florida win, lol. Houston is large? Well at least they didn't spend large.

 

[Rebbiv]

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-market-size-nfl-mlb-nhl-nielsen-ratings/


It isn't just about TV market, which is usually what is referred. It is about attendance and sales of corporate suites.



3 Mil fans


STL = 20 of last 21 seasons


HOU = 4 of last 21 seasons



DET = 4 of last 21 seasons




STL supports their teams. HOU and DET, do not.

 

[tomdalton22]

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nba-market-size-nfl-mlb-nhl-nielsen-ratings/


It isn't just about TV market, which is usually what is referred. It is about attendance and sales of corporate suites.



3 Mil fans


STL = 20 of last 21 seasons


HOU = 4 of last 21 seasons



DET = 4 of last 21 seasons




STL supports their teams. HOU and DET, do not.

STL has only had 3 seasons in the past 21 when they were under .500 (73 and 78 wins)

DET 12
Hou 8

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/2018-non-tender-candidates.html
2018 Non-Tender Candidates.
MLBTR

 

[Mitchrapp]

I can understand Houston fans, their team tank for a few years..

 

[Rebbiv]

STL has only had 3 seasons in the past 21 when they were under .500 (73 and 78 wins)

DET 12
Hou 8

What came first? The attendance or the winning? Because they are not mutually equal or correlated.

 

[Mitchrapp]

What came first? The attendance or the winning? Because they are not mutually equal or correlated.

They are if winning didn't come the year before. Or years before.

 

[tomdalton22]

What came first? The attendance or the winning? Because they are not mutually equal or correlated.

fans are very predictable. They come if the team is good. When they suck, fewer fans show up to games. It's not rocket science.

 

[Rebbiv]

fans are very predictable. They come if the team is good. When they suck, fewer fans show up to games. It's not rocket science.

Yet you have no proof. It is just conjecture on your part. And one team it might be true. And another it could be false. Hence no correlation.

 

[turok]

Outside of the NYY, the STL Cards have been the most successful franchise overall in MLB history. If a franchise is going to try to win with a lower team payroll than its market share indicates that it is capable of sustaining, then its scouting staff, MiLB coaching, trades, and draft picks have to be successful more often than not.

Cleveland saw a huge jump in attendance during the 90s, with a new ballpark and contending teams, but like the Tigers were in the first half of this decade, they failed to win a WS championship. But their attendance has slumped in the 21st century, even when fielding contending teams. The cost to attend a game has soared, as has the cost of living for those of modest means. So although they may still be avid fans, the amount of games that they can budget to attend has dropped. Why go to a game anyway, when we can watch in HDTV and surround sound from the cheaper climate-controlled comfort and convenience of a Lazyboy or sofa?