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Tigers and MLB 2018 offseason

Yet you have no proof. It is just conjecture on your part. And one team it might be true. And another it could be false. Hence no correlation.

you would have to be an idiot to not believe that attendance is not directly impacted by the team's performance. I didn't do any research, but thanks to google, I found this article in about 10 seconds.

https://towardsdatascience.com/predicting-mlb-game-attendance-c36cdc1b8de6

Here is the first point the writer of this article made (with stats to back it up)

"As I explored the numerical variables, unsurprisingly, I found that a team?s performance was directly correlated with attendance"
 
you would have to be an idiot to not believe that attendance is not directly impacted by the team's performance. I didn't do any research, but thanks to google, I found this article in about 10 seconds.

https://towardsdatascience.com/predicting-mlb-game-attendance-c36cdc1b8de6

Here is the first point the writer of this article made (with stats to back it up)

"As I explored the numerical variables, unsurprisingly, I found that a team’s performance was directly correlated with attendance"


1. Attendance has a driving factor into payroll
2. Large payroll teams generally do not fall very far under 3 Mil in attendance and generally have higher ticket prices.
3. Large payroll teams tend to make the playoffs

So again...what came first, the attendance or the winning? Because payroll, driven by attendance, corporate suits and media revenue is huge.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/202611/fan-cost-index-of-the-major-league-baseball/

I went to 3 NYY games in the last 18 months. Average cost per ticket = $250. The equivalent seats in Comerica would only run about $75. Not all attendance figures are equal. NYY with 3 Mil fans at a high FCI is greater than DET with 3 Mil fans with one of the lowest FCI.

So back to who sees what. As pointed out, CLE has won for years and cannot get the attendance. Track their attendance year to year and their wins. While you might be able to extract some correlation, it is somewhat small. Take BOS. Take OAK. Take TBD.

Where you see your results that you are espousing, you see them in teams like DET, who had large payrolls and lost money while doing it.. This is not one size fits all. Miami winning will never generate 3 Mil fans and will not sustain large payroll until they can sustain 3 Mil fans.
 
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The high point in MLB attendance in the 21st century was nearly 80M in '07. The following seasons have not come within 4M of that, and last season was the lowest since then with slightly more than 69.5M.

Tigers home attendance understandably dropped by nearly a half-million last season. Trading off most of its star players (esp JV) losing another to season-ending injury in early May in Miggy, and losing nearly 100 games the previous season (and again this past season) tended to account for their 4th most dropoff.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mauryb...lion-for-first-time-in-15-years/#5bff46861bf8
 
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The high point in MLB attendance in the 21st century was nearly 80M in '07. The following seasons have not come within 4M of that, and last season was the lowest so far with slightly more than 69M, and was the lowest since '97.

Tigers home attendance understandably dropped by nearly a half-million last season. Trading off most of its star players and losing nearly 100 games the previous season tends to account for their 4th most dropoff.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mauryb...lion-for-first-time-in-15-years/#5bff46861bf8

Young people don't like baseball as much as older people, combined with the high cost of going to games, this trend won't end anytime soon. I expect attendance figures to continue to fall.
 
Young people don't like baseball as much as older people, combined with the high cost of going to games, this trend won't end anytime soon. I expect attendance figures to continue to fall.

Well...they apparently don't play baseball in pickup games on the city streets, fields, and parks either, like my peers and I had during the late 60s and early 70s, even in cool/colder weather in spring, as long as it wasn't too windy, and/or raining, sleeting or snowing. The softballs that we used at the intersections of streets would soon begin to lose their stitching and covers, and would change from being white to mostly black from being wrapped in utility tape.

There weren't many city blocks that didn't have at least some kids playing some kind of outdoor games in mild or warm weather, or a backyard basketball game even in the chill of late fall or early spring. I remember noticing how numb my hands felt when I didn't have the ice-cold basketball in them.
 
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Well...they apparently don't play baseball in pickup games on the city streets, fields, and parks either, like my peers and I had during the late 60s and early 70s, even in cool/colder weather in spring, as long as it wasn't too windy, and/or raining, sleeting or snowing. The softballs that we used at the intersections of streets would soon begin to lose their stitching and covers, and would change from being white to mostly black from being wrapped in utility tape.

There weren't many city blocks that didn't have at least some kids playing some kind of outdoor games in mild or warm weather, or a backyard basketball game even in the chill of late fall or early spring. I remember noticing how numb my hands felt when I didn't have the ice-cold basketball in them.

I agree 100%. I lived in a rural area so there weren't many kids around. Most of the time we would have to play 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 baseball. Right field was out for 3 on 3, left & right fields were out for 2 on 2. It was "pitcher's hand out". It sounds like a terrible game...but we had a blast.

We had the same situations for football and basketball too. However, when it was dry and above freezing...we were outside playing something.
 
NYC alone has double the population of all of metro-Detroit, and although it has the competing Mets in the NL, the NYY can easily fill their newer Yankee stadium b/c of their higher average incomes and more of wealthy denizens. Detroit the city once had the highest per-capita incomes in the 50s, but that was long ago, and before imports competed for their main market of mfg automobiles and parts.

NYC also has far, far more pedestrian traffic, as well as many taxis and their subway system. metro-Detroiters w/o personal transportation have only a couple taxicab services left, maybe Uber available (not much help if only going grocery shopping for half an hour or so), and the SMART bus public transport, and most stops are not shielded from the elements, nor anywhere to warm up or sit while waiting. I used to take the DSR bus in Detroit to work and back year round until I could afford to buy a used car, and standing in the snow and often wind in early mornings and early evenings in winter @ a stop....sucked bigtime.
 
NYC alone has double the population of all of metro-Detroit, and although it has the competing Mets in the NL, the NYY can easily fill their newer Yankee stadium b/c of their higher average incomes and more of wealthy denizens. Detroit the city once had the highest per-capita incomes in the 50s, but that was long ago, and before imports competed for their main market of mfg automobiles and parts.

NYC also has far, far more pedestrian traffic, as well as many taxis and their subway system. metro-Detroiters w/o personal transportation have only a couple taxicab services left, maybe Uber available (not much help if only going grocery shopping for half an hour or so), and the SMART bus public transport, and most stops are not shielded from the elements, nor anywhere to warm up or sit while waiting. I used to take the DSR bus in Detroit to work and back year round until I could afford to buy a used car, and standing in the snow and often wind in early mornings and early evenings in winter @ a stop....sucked bigtime.

It's not just the population, but the density of the population. The Bronx is only 42.5 sq miles but has a population of 1.5 million. Queens is 108 sq miles and has a population of 2.4 million. The city of Detroit has a population of 673K in 143 sq miles.
 
Not sure that has much to do with it regards to fans attending. The people that go to Tigers' games are largely suburbs.
 
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Not sure that has much to do with it regards to fans attending. The people that go to Tigers' games are largely suburbs.

it has a lot to do with the number of fans attending. If there are 2M people within 6 miles of the stadium, there is a better chance that the stadium will fill up. It's much easier for those people to get to the stadium.

If you want to include the metro areas...there are 4.3M people in Detroit and it's suburbs. There are over 20M people in the NYC metro area.
 
it has a lot to do with the number of fans attending. If there are 2M people within 6 miles of the stadium, there is a better chance that the stadium will fill up. It's much easier for those people to get to the stadium.

If you want to include the metro areas...there are 4.3M people in Detroit and it's suburbs. There are over 20M people in the NYC metro area.


I can't speak about who goes to NYY games but for Detroit suburbs is probably 98% of the people that go. And I'm probably being generous.
 
I can speak to NYY. Most are coming from trains. I get on the Yankee Express in Poughkeepsie, almost 2 hours from the stadium. By the time the train hits the stadium, it is full of fans. That is one of many trains. When the game is over, trains leaving the Yankee Stadium station, and only run for the games, are full.


Because of NYC nightlife and public transportation, night games are better attended than say DET. Same with BOS, LAA, etc, etc.



Additionally, players to root for also helps. Trading your stars away you are going to lose fans. It also impacts winning. MIA trades Stanton, Yelich and Osuna and while their winning dropped, not as drastic as their attendance. I am going to go out of my way to watch Verlander pitch. Not so much for Liriano.
 
Your average Detroiter/Michigander probably can’t name anyone on this team anymore, aside from Cabrera (and maybe Castellanos). Hell, I’m big into fantasy baseball and I don’t even recognize 70% of the roster because this team is full of nobodies.

I’m fully expecting another offseason of middling vet additions that add nothing to the team now or in the future.

The most discouraging thing is looking at the prospect rankings and seeing few future Tigers. I know it’s gotten better (as it should with higher draft picks and seller trades) but they’re still nowhere near the top.

I hate to be so pessimistic but there’s just not much to be excited about right now. I’ll be shocked if the Tigers even sniff the playoffs within the next 5 years.
 
Your average Detroiter/Michigander probably can?t name anyone on this team anymore, aside from Cabrera (and maybe Castellanos). Hell, I?m big into fantasy baseball and I don?t even recognize 70% of the roster because this team is full of nobodies.

I?m fully expecting another offseason of middling vet additions that add nothing to the team now or in the future.

The most discouraging thing is looking at the prospect rankings and seeing few future Tigers. I know it?s gotten better (as it should with higher draft picks and seller trades) but they?re still nowhere near the top.

I hate to be so pessimistic but there?s just not much to be excited about right now. I?ll be shocked if the Tigers even sniff the playoffs within the next 5 years.

yup....they mortgaged the future chasing a title that they never got.
 
I hate to be so pessimistic but there’s just not much to be excited about right now. I’ll be shocked if the Tigers even sniff the playoffs within the next 5 years.

5 years might be only enough to become competitively mediocre, even though the Tigers are in the historically weakest overall ALCD.

No need to post why, unless the franchise is sold beforehand.
 
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