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Tigers and MLB 2018 offseason

In the last couple of years, all DET has done was raise the "floor" of their organizational talent. They have not raised the "ceiling". That just shows you how bad the organizational talent was. Individually, there are a few here and there. They are still void of any real positional player talent. Sure, the media and such want you to think these guys might be good, but in reality most are Steven Moya types.


The strength is young starting pitching. Spinning one or two young arms into positional players is what it will take. If DET is stupid enough to take another Victor Reyes in the rule 5, that just compounds the problem and pushes the timeline further out beyond the 5-7 years.
 
Rebbiv said:
In the last couple of years, all DET has done was raise the "floor" of their organizational talent. They have not raised the "ceiling". That just shows you how bad the organizational talent was. Individually, there are a few here and there. They are still void of any real positional player talent. Sure, the media and such want you to think these guys might be good, but in reality most are Steven Moya types.


The strength is young starting pitching. Spinning one or two young arms into positional players is what it will take. If DET is stupid enough to take another Victor Reyes in the rule 5, that just compounds the problem and pushes the timeline further out beyond the 5-7 years.
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O my were are talking 5-7 years now! What In the World happen to competing in 2020? Five to seven years, that a prison sentence. I'm going to have to talk to my Doctor to see how many years I got left!

I been wondering while the Tigers flounder who go to the stores built around the stadium. Last time I read cost of builting was ratter high. And just how much is it making so far? This little city relies some what on how well the Tigers do. And why selling the Tigers is no little or easy matter. I can not thing of it's name and been to busy. Really need a new computer as this one is as slow as the rabbit against the Tuttle at times.
 
I don't know if people really thought the re-build would be done in 2020. Most re-builds take over 5 years, especially with a team like the Tigers that have very little talent on the ML roster and a farm system that was last in the league.

On the bright side, at least in baseball you can watch/follow player development due to the minor leagues. In other sports, you just have to watch the team suck year after year.
 
tomdalton22 said:
I don't know if people really thought the re-build would be done in 2020. Most re-builds take over 5 years, especially with a team like the Tigers that have very little talent on the ML roster and a farm system that was last in the league.

On the bright side, at least in baseball you can watch/follow player development due to the minor leagues. In other sports, you just have to watch the team suck year after year.
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Except in the ml you see a guy hitting well and then realize he's just hitting vs ml pitching so no whoop. We have no sure thing, no future stud.
 
Historically speaking, it takes 5-7 years from each draft to evaluated as to how well a team drafted each year. 5 years for college level players, 7 for HS players. That usually equates to about age 25. Impact players are usually in the Bigs between 22-24. A team should be getting at least one bona fide ML player each year, or using them as trade. Good teams get multiple players from each draft. It is not uncommon to see elites hitting MLB as early as 19 or 20. Very few impact players spend a full season at AAA. Most jump from A Ball or AA directly to MLB.



Top Player(s)



2003 - No One
2004 - J. Verlander
2005 - C. Maybin, M. Joyce

2006 - A. Miller

2007 - R. Porcello

2008 - A. Avila

2009 - No One
2010 - D. Smyly, N. Castellanos
2011 - J. McCann
2012 - D. Travis
2013 - C. Knebel, C. Green
2014 - No One



David Chadd was the Scouting Director from 2005-2015. He has since been promoted to Assistant GM.
 
CC rank 27th signs for 8 mill, one year. Pitchers B cheap this season? Still a ranked player going for that money tells me FA's might be a good investment this off season. A couple or three one year contract could be a way to retool and restart.

McCann 2 mill reason was to sign with a team, Braves, that had a chance to make the playoffs!.

Now in order to make the playoffs you have to have players that can complete. Something the Tigers have a hard time drafting. This team shoots it self in the foot more times than it has toes! Thank goodness there be wholes between those toes so as missing is easy. Hum Tigers missing?

Their real problem IMO, was they traded SIX players 25% of a team, That was built to win now, that have played on the last TWO World Series Winners!, in the last few seasons. Instead of striping to lose, they should haved, bit the bullet, and found some relievers that could carried them to the gold. Can't manage a one car parade, get the horse in front of the cart, hit the broad side of the barn while standing inside of it. Al once said when Tigers found better management they would be better. Me thinks they need to start looking again, B/C the way they're set up now it's going to take forever to fix it. They could have the right manager, but the wrong mix/setup/management team assembled. IE The Manager should be answering to the GM not some relic of the past, that did not achieved the gold.
IMO I do not see this team winning in the next 5+ seasons, as other teams are on a better route and ahead, to rebuilding there teams.
Tigers need to draft players that fit their needs and their stadium. Pitching is great, but run producers are what wins games with runs. And the teams that got unto the playoffs had teams that produce RUNS. Yes you got to limit runs defense helps here as well as pitching. But teams are built soft ball style these days, hit, hit, hit, score runs, runs, and score more runs. Something the .200 hitting lineups the Tigers have too much of, has problem with.

Find run producing players.
 
Rebbiv said:
Historically speaking, it takes 5-7 years from each draft to evaluated as to how well a team drafted each year. 5 years for college level players, 7 for HS players. That usually equates to about age 25. Impact players are usually in the Bigs between 22-24. A team should be getting at least one bona fide ML player each year, or using them as trade. Good teams get multiple players from each draft. It is not uncommon to see elites hitting MLB as early as 19 or 20. Very few impact players spend a full season at AAA. Most jump from A Ball or AA directly to MLB.



Top Player(s)



2003 - No One
2004 - J. Verlander
2005 - C. Maybin, M. Joyce

2006 - A. Miller

2007 - R. Porcello

2008 - A. Avila

2009 - No One
2010 - D. Smyly, N. Castellanos
2011 - J. McCann
2012 - D. Travis
2013 - C. Knebel, C. Green
2014 - No One



David Chadd was the Scouting Director from 2005-2015. He has since been promoted to Assistant GM.
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Top players? Maybin? McCann?
 
dale675 said:
Yes, they were our #1 picks in that year listed. The point he is proving is that we do not draft well nor do we keep our top draft picks.
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Well for those 2 thankfully we didn't keep them. At least Maybin netted us Miggy. Miller might be a stud RP now but he sucked for a long time. Even the good ones sucked here.
 
Why Wilson? Wasn’t gonna make a ton and could’ve been dealt at the deadline if he had a good season. Am I missing something here?
 
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/detroit-tigers/payroll/
Tigers payroll with active and retained salaries is just 71M ??

arb eligible right-handed pitchers Michael Fulmer and Shane Greene; and left-handed pitchers Matthew Boyd, Daniel Norris and Blaine Hardy. So should go up a bit more.

Fiers was just non-tendered by oakland.
 
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