Tigers sign SP Mike Pelfry and release him 3/30/2017

[xer0]

You gave nothing thoughtful to retort to junior. You're talking about Rebbiv's thoughts on Cespedes. I'm not Rebbiv. You cherry pick a couple of things he was wrong about in hindsight and...??? What exactly are you looking for? You made a shit post about Rebbiv, I responded in kind.

You're white knighting him as you and thumb usually do. Pweeeze wuv my Rebbiv, he posts stats so he's da bessss!

 

[xer0]

As I've told you before they play 81 games at home. If you are going to defend a guy with a .552 OP'S last year be my guest. You were wrong. It's that simple.


Further...yes it was predictable that Infante would underperform and Kinsler would either maintain level production or excel as Kinsler had his worst season by a lot in one of those previous 3 years and infante was playing over his head. There is a reason Kinsler was seem as a much more valuable option. As to adding the fielder contract I'm quite sure you understand the flaw in that. You don't trade Fielder what do you do with Nick?

But again...OPS away is a valuable stat but not the be all end all and id.think after being wrong about several players using only away stats you would begin to see.that. Granderson was a perfect example of a guy who had much more value in New York than anywhere else for example.

He's a complete clown, everytime he gets proven wrong, which he HATES more than anything....get ready for personal insults and cherry picking, also another favorite line of deflection, ''you're taking it out of context''. He's a complete joke.

 

[sggatecl]

You're white knighting him as you and thumb usually do. Pweeeze wuv my Rebbiv, he posts stats so he's da bessss!

Hey look, one of our prime ophthalmologists! Good to see you around buddy.

 

[kalinecountry]

The word is migraine. and now I have one thank you to a couple of posters.

Rebbiv, thankyou for all your stats that show how well or poorly Tigers players do in any and all situations.

I do not see any one who complains about the stats Rebbiv posts weekly putting forth any of their own.

 

[sggatecl]

The word is migraine. and now I have one thank you to a couple of posters.

Rebbiv, thankyou for all your stats that show how well or poorly Tigers players do in any and all situations.

I do not see any one who complains about the stats Rebbiv posts weekly putting forth any of their own.

It probably doesn't help that I egg them on. My B. :cheers:

 

[kalinecountry]

It probably doesn't help that I egg them on. My B. :cheers:

Nah, you're fine, There are times, posters don't need any help by being egged on to say something. It was the plan to begin with.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://motorcitybengals.com/2016/02/03/detroit-tigers-reason-for-optimism-with-mike-pelfrey/
Detroit Tigers: Reason for Optimism with Mike Pelfrey.
mcbtb

 

[Mitchrapp]

The word is migraine. and now I have one thank you to a couple of posters.

Rebbiv, thankyou for all your stats that show how well or poorly Tigers players do in any and all situations.

I do not see any one who complains about the stats Rebbiv posts weekly putting forth any of their own.

Migraine would be my word as well. And the Reb stats, agree or not, are always nice.

 

[byco42]

The erudition of Superhero and Shakespeare when it comes baseball acumen is beyond reproach, that's clear.

 

[dale675]

Don't you find it funny that pirates would go from shore to shore looking for buried treasure, when the real treasure was in the friendships they were making all along?

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

How do you mitigate home park bias? How do you compare players who play in extreme ballparks (Coors, Petco, Arlington)?

The fact remains that Infante's and Kinsler's Away stats, both career and 2011-2013, are the same. How does that make me wrong? Those are the player's stats, not mine.

What was predictable? Do tell so I can be educated as to what to look for in the future. I have studied statistics for over 40 years and am willing to gain any insight you might have to what precluded Infante's falloff.


Granderson played for the Yankees from 2010-2013.

TOTAL 122 wRC+ .245 BAVG .335 OBP .495 SLG .830 OPS

HOME 129 wRC+ .254 BAVG .342 OBP .523 SLG .865 OPS

AWAY 116 wRC+ .236 BAVG .328 OBP .468 SLG .796 OPS


I suppose you think this proves your point? Yet, most MLB players have better Home stats than Away stats.

All MLB OFers from 2011-2013

HOME 108 wRC+ .267 BAVG .335 OBP .429 SLG .764 OPS

AWAY 99 wRC+ .256 BAVG .321 OBP .408 SLG .729 OPS

So how exactly did Granderson benefit from playing in Yankee stadium? Especially considering he was well above the average MLB OF Away during that time-frame.

His OPS was 70 points higher at home whereas the average major leaguer is 35 points higher. I'd say that's rather easy. He benefitted from NY having such a short right field porch. In 2012 37 of his home runs were to right field. 26 of his 43 home runs were at home. His OPS was 126 points higher at home.

So we are to determine his value for the Yankees that season solely on away stats? No thanks.

I do agree park factors such as coors field are extreme but in the case of Kinsler/Infante the factors actually swing in Infante's favor for 2015. Infante had a absolutely dreadful 2015 at the plate. The mere fact you'd even continue to argue Kinsler wasn't at least 2 times as valuable as Infante just represents an inability to say "hey....I was wrong" Kinsler has only missed 9 games in 2 seasons. Infante has missed over 6 times as many. Kinsler has been hands down a better and more valuable player and his contract was a better value than Infante.

Not difficult.

 

[@Stakesarehigh]

Migraine would be my word as well. And the Reb stats, agree or not, are always nice.

His stats are useful and I've admitted as such. The conclusions are where he and I disagree and the omission of other useful stats as well.

 

[nsonnett14]

The word is migraine. and now I have one thank you to a couple of posters.

Rebbiv, thankyou for all your stats that show how well or poorly Tigers players do in any and all situations.

I do not see any one who complains about the stats Rebbiv posts weekly putting forth any of their own.

Probably because they are useless

 

[kalinecountry]

Probably because they are useless

I hope Tom Heinsohn's and Johnny Most's Voices play non-stop in your head.
Stats are not useless. We've been looking at and comparing them since we was kids.

 

[nsonnett14]

I hope Tom Heinsohn's and Johnny Most's Voices play non-stop in your head.
Stats are not useless. We've been looking at and comparing them since we was kids.

Touche !!! They are when they only tell the story you are promoting ,and also leaving out the stats that make your argument flawed . And ONLY using stats as a way to judge players . Thats why i just scroll over the post's

Anyway , whatever to each his own not a big deal .

 

[kalinecountry]

Touche !!! They are when they only tell the story you are promoting ,and also leaving out the stats that make your argument flawed . And ONLY using stats as a way to judge players . Thats why i just scroll over the post's

Anyway , whatever to each his own not a big deal .

exactly...Personally, I didn't see those seth smith and other guy as better,
but I don't get the complete ignoring either,
and that brings me back to what you said, to each his own and not a big deal.

 

[byco42]

Probably because they are useless

With regard to the 520 posts you have made, I would agree. But that's the lone exception.

 

[jdeb]

The word is migraine. and now I have one thank you to a couple of posters.

Rebbiv, thankyou for all your stats that show how well or poorly Tigers players do in any and all situations.

I do not see any one who complains about the stats Rebbiv posts weekly putting forth any of their own.

I agree 100%

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[JackCade]

Like that post Reb.

I think we forget that player contracts are never paying a player for their future play since that is unknown, and only predicted based on base performance. Indeed, baseball is based on the premise that players get paid in the future for the performance the establish in the bast. If Daniel Norris goes out at throws 200+innings with a 3.00ish ERA he will do so more than 16 times less money than Mike Pelfrey.
I think of JV's salary in relation to all those years of greatness when he was making buttkiss, Ilitch paid V-Mart for 2014. Now that is in the hopes that the player will continue to do it. But as not just stat-monkey fans know older players are rarely worth the big money. YET they keep getting it.
This is because they are often getting contracts paying them for the past performances not just their theoretical future performances. I know it isn't supposed to work that way, but time and again players from the likes of Mike Pelfey to those like Miggy are judged by the market as being worth money we often think is crazy. Is the market (the owners or the GMs) wrong?

Next, INFANTE DID NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS KINSLERthat is complete horse pucky.

Kinsler is the best 2nd baseman in the game or one of the best, Infante is hardly that. The top players make big money.

 

[byco42]

As wOBA goes, Kinsler is clearly better than Infante