Tigers vs. twins Game Thread Sept. 22

[tigermud]

sounds of the game ump says he had to make an attempt to get out of the way and since he didn't they called him out..

I'm thinking he probably didn't know where the ball was though.. either way not a good rule IMO, If he gets out of the way and JP catches it then he's doubled up.

 

[Thumb]

Was thinking the same thing why not just infield fly rule that?

Well actually IF rule only applies on a force situation, but I can see how they would just automatically concede the catch because of the interference and call the batter out.

 

[manchild98]

sounds of the game ump says he had to make an attempt to get out of the way and since he didn't they called him out..

I'm thinking he probably didn't know where the ball was though.. either way not a good rule IMO, If he gets out of the way and JP catches it then he's doubled up.

Yeah that doesn't make sense at all. I don't agree that the runner needs to attempt to get out of the way on that play. As long as he's not purposely trying to interfere with Peralta (which clearly he was not since he was not even looking at him or watching the ball) then it should be a no call. To me that's on Peralta to take a better route to the ball on an easy infield fly.

 

[pr0tege]

Its really amazing how everyone is putting so much value in WAR this year yet Ben Zobrist finished last year leading WAR by a half of run and yet he finished tied for 16th in the MVP ballot.

BUT just because Trout is a popular choice this year being a rookie and all he is favored over a legit 1st triple crown winner in 45 years because of WAR? It really makes no sense at all to be honest.

Especially when you consider Cliff Lee (6-7, 3.23era and 1.13 whip) has a higher WAR (3.5) then Jarred Weaver (18-4, 2.79era and 1.00 whip) (3.4)

 

[zonietigerfan]

Oak/NYY still tied up. Ibanez crashed into Norris, the A's C big time. Both guys are bruised and bloodied, but Norris held onto the ball. Props to the guy. Then again, wasn't like it was Adam Dunn steamrolling him ala the poor Cleveland catcher a couple years ago.

 

[mhughes0021]

Its really amazing how everyone is putting so much value in WAR this year yet Ben Zobrist finished last year leading WAR by a half of run and yet he finished tied for 16th in the MVP ballot.

BUT just because Trout is a popular choice this year being a rookie and all he is favored over a legit 1st triple crown winner in 45 years because of WAR? It really makes no sense at all to be honest.

Especially when you consider Cliff Lee (6-7, 3.23era and 1.13 whip) has a higher WAR (3.5) then Jarred Weaver (18-4, 2.79era and 1.00 whip) (3.4)

his team starts to tank when he starts to tank is enough for me not to vote for him. its crunch time and miggy is stepping up... trout hasnt.

 

[zonietigerfan]

Its really amazing how everyone is putting so much value in WAR this year yet Ben Zobrist finished last year leading WAR by a half of run and yet he finished tied for 16th in the MVP ballot.

BUT just because Trout is a popular choice this year being a rookie and all he is favored over a legit 1st triple crown winner in 45 years because of WAR? It really makes no sense at all to be honest.

Especially when you consider Cliff Lee (6-7, 3.23era and 1.13 whip) has a higher WAR (3.5) then Jarred Weaver (18-4, 2.79era and 1.00 whip) (3.4)

Yep. You hit it. Guy's playing in Seattle, Cleveland or KC he'd finish 5th or something. Love to see the idiotic espn 'gurus' attempting to justify their vote for the kid on ATH & such. Have to admit it though: Woody Paige is 100% behind Cabrera & that surprised me. I usually disagree with him, but on Cabby and Tebow (yeah, I'm a fan...), we agree.

 

[zonietigerfan]

A's/Yanks going to the 13th. 5-5.

 

[manchild98]

DY was disgusted with himself that he watched that first pitch go by.

 

[mhughes0021]

Yep. You hit it. Guy's playing in Seattle, Cleveland or KC he'd finish 5th or something. Love to see the idiotic espn 'gurus' attempting to justify their vote for the kid on ATH & such. Have to admit it though: Woody Paige is 100% behind Cabrera & that surprised me. I usually disagree with him, but on Cabby and Tebow (yeah, I'm a fan...), we agree.

looking forward to his 3 rushes for 9 yards this weekend?

 

[kalinecountry]

Its really amazing how everyone is putting so much value in WAR this year yet Ben Zobrist finished last year leading WAR by a half of run and yet he finished tied for 16th in the MVP ballot.

BUT just because Trout is a popular choice this year being a rookie and all he is favored over a legit 1st triple crown winner in 45 years because of WAR? It really makes no sense at all to be honest.

Especially when you consider Cliff Lee (6-7, 3.23era and 1.13 whip) has a higher WAR (3.5) then Jarred Weaver (18-4, 2.79era and 1.00 whip) (3.4)

It might have been you, or someone else here past week mentioned Zobrist,
sabermetrics people using their pulpits at media sites, national and baseball blogs,
large west coast city/fan base LA,
anti Detroit unless it is an incredible season, see JV last year,
and imo some unfair bias, white all american kid, vs. Big Player from Venezuela,
in recent years, some player in MVP talk with stolen bases, and it was downplayed, now with trout, it is being mentioned as a deciding factor.

 

[manchild98]

Will Fister get a shot at a complete game or do we see Putzkonen in the 9th?

 

[mhughes0021]

Will Fister get a shot at a complete game or do we see Putzkonen in the 9th?

i thought valverde was our non save 9th inning ace!

 

[pr0tege]

Yeah Ron I just don't get it really I mean seriously over the last year so much value is being put in WAR but honestly can the writers set there and say Mike Trout is worth more to the Angels (10.3) then not only Miggy (6.5) but Prince as well (3.7) together! I mean really?

So Mike Trout a ROOKIE and a minor league 1B will add more wins to a team then 2 of the best players in the game today? lmao.

 

[spockmaster]

i went off to play Black Mesa and missed 7 runs XD

nice!

 

[jas5lf]

Nice game today!! 1/2 game out if the Sux lose tonight!

 

[Thumb]

Its really amazing how everyone is putting so much value in WAR this year yet Ben Zobrist finished last year leading WAR by a half of run and yet he finished tied for 16th in the MVP ballot.

BUT just because Trout is a popular choice this year being a rookie and all he is favored over a legit 1st triple crown winner in 45 years because of WAR? It really makes no sense at all to be honest.

Especially when you consider Cliff Lee (6-7, 3.23era and 1.13 whip) has a higher WAR (3.5) then Jarred Weaver (18-4, 2.79era and 1.00 whip) (3.4)

The problem most people have with WAR is they don't understand it.

WAR is calculated by position, per league.

So yes, Trout has the highest WAR, but you only compare that against other CF's in the AL. Trout is worth about 10 wins a year over the average center fielder. You cannot compare that to the average 1st or 3rd baseman.

Same reason Lee has a higher WAR then Weaver, it's different leagues, Weaver's WAR would be much higher in the NL.

Using WAR alone as a reason someone should be MVP is stupid, as a perfect example : Keith Law.

It's also the reason Zobrist could lead the league in WAR, and finish 16th. War factors on defense also, which is another reason guys like Zobrist and Trout can have higher WAR than guys like Cabrera and Fielder.

 

[nydo77]

Will Fister get a shot at a complete game or do we see Putzkonen in the 9th?

That probably depends on how many pitches he has to throw in the 8th. You don't want to overextend him, since his next start will be pretty important, with any luck at all.

 

[zonietigerfan]

looking forward to his 3 rushes for 9 yards this weekend?

Assuming he plays! Hehehee...look, I still see the Jets benching Sanchez some time this year. Sanchez=Guy looks like Johnny Unitas one week & Johnny U in 1990 or something. TT is exciting, even his detractors have to admit. Unlike, say Delmon Young, who comes up w/runners on and kills a rally with another boring 6-4-3 DP. Some guys are just fun to watch. I like Timmy. No slappy for the guy, but I like him & especially like him b/c of the people who don't like him.

 

[kalinecountry]

Yeah Ron I just don't get it really I mean seriously over the last year so much value is being put in WAR but honestly can the writers set there and say Mike Trout is worth more to the Angels (10.3) then not only Miggy (6.5) but Prince as well (3.7) together! I mean really?

So Mike Trout a ROOKIE and a minor league 1B will add more wins to a team then 2 of the best players in the game today? lmao.

and they are using/picking certain saber stats,
you must have seen these I tweeted earlier today;
Cabrera.....
Situational Wins Added (WPA/LI) 2010 AL 5.9 (1st), 2011 AL 6.1 (2nd), 2012 AL 5.8 (1st).

Cabrera Adjusted Batting Wins 2010 AL 6.1 (1st,) 2011 AL 6.9 (1st), 2012 AL 5.5 (1st).

Cabrera Adjusted Batting Runs 2010 AL 64 (1st), 2011 AL 71 (1st), 2012 AL 57 (1st).