Tired of talking about 2013 and before.....

[tonyballs]

LOL...Can you find this quote for me? You can always tell when Tony's had one toke too many.

You're the one saying the Ebron will face more single coverage than any top ten draft pick in history. HISTORY. Wtf are you implying then, you momo? lol. You're telling me he's good? No, you're basically calling him one of the worst offensive picks EVER. Spin it now...lol

 

[mhughes0021]

I'm hyper? lol

lol

 

[tonyballs]

lol

I just want the season to start, bro !!!!

 

[inkfreq]

If there is one thing I can vouch for given your previous opinions as stated on this board...is that you believe that Mayhew can evaluate a first round blue chip tight end.

I would have to disagree with that statement Cheeno.

I believe Mayhew is certainly better than Millen, and who isn't?

I believe Mayhew has a pretty solid track record in the first round, but it's a pretty easy round to pick talent from.

I do not know if Mayhew is a guy who can spot that elite talent out of the pack of players he can choose from. I have no clue if Ebron is really an elite talent.

I do know that Mayhew and Lombardi felt he was in the same class with Watkins, Clowney, and Mack. I do know the team wanted Watkins in a bad way, and felt Ebron was the second best offensive option, and the only elite prospect left on the board.

I don't know if we didn't just buy the Emperors New Clothes here. I haven't heard too many people jumping up and down saying "This was a GREAT pick by the Lions", aside from LKP of course.

I just don't know how I feel about this pick, but the only way I am going to know is to see how it plays out. Ebron could be our Jimmy Graham, and he could be Pettigrew part II.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Exactly why he is not an upper echelon qb. He needs a stacked offense in order to win games. I could still see this being an 8-8 team this year, new schemes on offense and defense is bound to have some hiccups. Hoping for the best, but honestly don't think this offense or defense is going to click as well as you think it will...this year

This post right here is what I don't understand about the Stafford haters.

1. Besides CJ, what has he ever had besides a group of #4 and #5 WR, and one year of a half sane Titus?

2. What current good/great NFL QB doesn't have talent surrounding them?

Stafford has had JUNK to throw to besides Calvin his entire career, and has put up some pretty impressive numbers anyway.

 

[mhughes0021]

This post right here is what I don't understand about the Stafford haters.

1. Besides CJ, what has he ever had besides a group of #4 and #5 WR, and one year of a half sane Titus?

2. What current good/great NFL QB doesn't have talent surrounding them?

Stafford has had JUNK to throw to besides Calvin his entire career, and has put up some pretty impressive numbers anyway.

Cause we see "good" qbs making everyone around them better. Decker, Julius thomas....nothing before peyton. Brady friiken turned edelman into a 100 catch wr. I dont even think rapelisburger is that good but he churns out high priced wr fas one after another....Holmes sanders. Stafford has made no one better...ever.

 

[mhughes0021]

I just want the season to start, bro !!!!

I dunno this is pretty entertaining lol. One thing ill say about the top 2 picks this year...both seem to be perfect fits schematically. We havent even started arguing the samsonite pick in rd 3....guess we can save that for august.

 

[dubbsco]

The backup center in round 3 that graded pretty badly? That was an awesome pick.

 

[mhughes0021]

The backup center in round 3 that graded pretty badly? That was an awesome pick.

Awww shit....now you've done it lmao. Now lkp is going to tell you he just needs to play like 1998 when he was the biggest fattest kid in school and just ran over everyone.

 

[dubbsco]

Even after drafting Ebron, I would have a much easier time stomaching Moncrief than Swanson. Doesn't require a bunch of grooming to teach the C position. I would rather them draft a late 1st (if they did okay this year) or 2nd round on a much more skilled C, drop him in and play, rather than "grooming" a kid who just isn't very good.

"Experienced, dependable pivot who lacks starter-caliber power and athleticism. Lack of versatility hurts his chances, and he will have to survive on smarts, leadership and competitiveness."

Weeeee, 12 more years of Raiola Part 2.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Cause we see "good" qbs making everyone around them better. Decker, Julius thomas....nothing before peyton. Brady friiken turned edelman into a 100 catch wr. I dont even think rapelisburger is that good but he churns out high priced wr fas one after another....Holmes sanders. Stafford has made no one better...ever.

I think Staff got as much as anyone not named Brady, P. Manning or Rodgers could out of Durham, Pettigrew, Scheffler, Titus, and Burelson. He also got more out of CJ than any QB EVER got out of a WR.

Stafford is fine. He's not a top 3 QB.....and if you wanna kill him for it, fine. But to say he needs to make garbage into gold to be considered good shows a childlike view of the game by the Stafford haters.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think Staff got as much as anyone not named Brady, P. Manning or Rodgers could out of Durham, Pettigrew, Scheffler, Titus, and Burelson. He also got more out of CJ than any QB EVER got out of a WR.

Stafford is fine. He's not a top 3 QB.....and if you wanna kill him for it, fine. But to say he needs to make garbage into gold to be considered good shows a childlike view of the game by the Stafford haters.

He got more out of CJ than any QB EVER got out of a WR?

 

[brewer229]

I think Staff got as much as anyone not named Brady, P. Manning or Rodgers could out of Durham, Pettigrew, Scheffler, Titus, and Burelson. He also got more out of CJ than any QB EVER got out of a WR.

Stafford is fine. He's not a top 3 QB.....and if you wanna kill him for it, fine. But to say he needs to make garbage into gold to be considered good shows a childlike view of the game by the Stafford haters.

Except Cutler got more out of Scheffler.
Culpepper and Hasselbeck got more out of Burelson.

The two people you listed that played with other QBs put up better stats with individuals other than Stafford.

CJ is damn good, there is no reason to think he couldn't o broken the record with other QBs

 

[LKP]

Except Cutler got more out of Scheffler.
Culpepper and Hasselbeck got more out of Burelson.

The two people you listed that played with other QBs put up better stats with individuals other than Stafford.

CJ is damn good, there is no reason to think he couldn't o broken the record with other QBs

Scheffler was the top TE in Denver. He was number 2 here. And his highest TD year was in Detroit in 2011.

Stafford got plenty from Burleson. Burleson just got hurt the last 2 years. Seattle he was the top target his one year and ran deeper routes. And Randy Moss got hurt in 2004 so Burleson became the top target and therefore got 1,000 yards in Culpeppers best year prior to his knee injury.

Stafford got plenty out of both. You just have to realize Burleson and Scheffler were second fiddle here to Calvin and Pettigrew, but first fiddle in their big years.

 

[tomdalton22]

Scheffler was the top TE in Denver. He was number 2 here. And his highest TD year was in Detroit in 2011.

Stafford got plenty from Burleson. Burleson just got hurt the last 2 years. Seattle he was the top target his one year and ran deeper routes. And Randy Moss got hurt in 2004 so Burleson became the top target and therefore got 1,000 yards in Culpeppers best year prior to his knee injury.

Stafford got plenty out of both. You just have to realize Burleson and Scheffler were second fiddle here to Calvin and Pettigrew, but first fiddle in their big years.

Scheffler in Denver caught 65% of the passes thrown his way for 13.7 yards per catch. In Detroit he only caught 57% for 10.9. That tells me that Stafford isn't as accurate as the QBs that Denver had from 2006-2009 (Plumer, Cutler & Orton)

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Except Cutler got more out of Scheffler.
Culpepper and Hasselbeck got more out of Burelson.

The two people you listed that played with other QBs put up better stats with individuals other than Stafford.

CJ is damn good, there is no reason to think he couldn't o broken the record with other QBs

Burelson was past his prime when he got to Detroit. He was nothing more than a slot WR getting paid like a #2.

I'll give you Scheffler, though he was our 2nd TE in an offense w/CJ.

Put it like this, name another WR besides CJ that you would consider a good NFL WR (when he was a LION) that Stafford didn't produce with?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Except Cutler got more out of Scheffler.
Culpepper and Hasselbeck got more out of Burelson.

The two people you listed that played with other QBs put up better stats with individuals other than Stafford.

CJ is damn good, there is no reason to think he couldn't o broken the record with other QBs

He could have.....but no other WR....not Rice, not Moss, not Harrison, Wayne, D. Thomas or anyone else got that far with their HOF QB's.

If Stafford sucks so bad.....and CJ gets triple teamed every snap.....how did Stafford manage to get him nearly 2000?

 

[tomdalton22]

Burelson was past his prime when he got to Detroit. He was nothing more than a slot WR getting paid like a #2.

I'll give you Scheffler, though he was our 2nd TE in an offense w/CJ.

Put it like this, name another WR besides CJ that you would consider a good NFL WR (when he was a LION) that Stafford didn't produce with?

Bryant Johnson in the 3 years prior to joining the Lions(2 in AZ & 1 IN SF) 56% catch rate and 13.8 yards per catch. With the Lions 39% catch rate 11.8 YPC

 

[tomdalton22]

He could have.....but no other WR....not Rice, not Moss, not Harrison, Wayne, D. Thomas or anyone else got that far with their HOF QB's.

If Stafford sucks so bad.....and CJ gets triple teamed every snap.....how did Stafford manage to get him nearly 2000?

205 targets...only a 59% catch rate.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Bryant Johnson in the 3 years prior to joining the Lions(2 in AZ & 1 IN SF) 56% catch rate and 13.8 yards per catch. With the Lions 39% catch rate 11.8 YPC

1. He was never good.
2. He was only a Lion in 2009 & 2010.....Staffors rookie year when he got hurt and his 2nd year when he played 2.5 games.

Just an AWFUL example........NEXT!!!!