To everyone who says Ebron can be like Graham

[brewer229]

Brewer, the Lions were near the bottom of the league in pass defense. I think it would be fair to assume that by adding a top-flight secondary player, you are going to improve those numbers, whether it be this upcoming season or the next.

Do we really need multiple offensive weapons? Every Super Bowl winner in the past few years have had top defenses, and functional offenses. They had enough to keep you guessing, but did not have amazing talent. Seattle is rolling out Tate and Baldwin, Baltimore had Torrey Smith and Dennis Pitta. This team has enough offense. They didn't need more. It's time for Stafford to make his players look better, and not require this team to compile 8,000 weapons for him.

Good point. Except its not true. Champion and their defense rank that year:

2013 - Seattle - Yes ranked #1
2012 - Ravens - No ranked #17
2011 - Giants - No ranked #27

 

[mhughes0021]

Are you seriously comparing the center position to the quarterback position? And sitting behind Crapola to sitting behind an HOFer and Super Bowl winner? And a top team picking constantly 20 or higher to us a team in win now mode picking ten and above. In that case Seattle should've criticized for trading back or San Fran for picking developmental players. In you're own words what an idiot.

yes, yes he is. Hes also indirectly impying Crayola and favre are the same player, and of the same stature lol.

 

[dubbsco]

Wow, I was surprised by Baltimore's overall stats. They stepped up and shut down the Colts and New England in their playoff run. Thought those numbers would be higher.

 

[mhughes0021]

Wow, I was surprised by Baltimore's overall stats. They stepped up and shut down the Colts and New England in their playoff run. Thought those numbers would be higher.

Baltimore sucked most the year then went on a late tear (some on here want to contribute that to Caldwell im sure).

 

[cheeno]

Good point. Except its not true. Champion and their defense rank that year:

2013 - Seattle - Yes ranked #1
2012 - Ravens - No ranked #17
2011 - Giants - No ranked #27

Check the playoff ranks if you can.

 

[brewer229]

Check the playoff ranks if you can.

Not sure where team playoff stats are. However they are irrelevant to his original point.

Fact is Bad statistical defenses make the playoffs and win the Superbowl.

 

[schles192]

Wow, I was surprised by Baltimore's overall stats. They stepped up and shut down the Colts and New England in their playoff run. Thought those numbers would be higher.

To be fair they were without Ray Lewis for most of the year, when he came back it was a different D.

 

[LKP]

Good point. Except its not true. Champion and their defense rank that year:

2013 - Seattle - Yes ranked #1
2012 - Ravens - No ranked #17
2011 - Giants - No ranked #27

I hate it so much when ypg is the only ranking looked at. Especially when staffords ypg is always ignored

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hate it so much when ypg is the only ranking looked at. Especially when staffords ypg is always ignored

:hmm:

 

[tonyballs]

The Swanson pick was brilliant. One of the BEST if not thee BEST Center in the draft this year. Huge, mean, nasty player. Only retards will complain about the pick.

And if he sits behind Raiola? So what?! He's our starter 150% next year and he won't be replaced for the next 10+ years!! He's a fn beast...

 

[grandy]

The Swanson pick was brilliant. One of the BEST if not thee BEST Center in the draft this year. Huge, mean, nasty player. Only retards will complain about the pick.

And if he sits behind Raiola? So what?! He's our starter 150% next year and he won't be replaced for the next 10+ years!! He's a fn beast...

I don't get the hate, unless it's based purely on talent/ability. Raiola is at the end of his career, there's no guarantee that his performance this upcoming season will match his performance last season. I'd much rather have a young talented center learn/grow with limited snaps for one year before handing him the reigns as opposed to drafting a mid-round center and throwing him into the fire as a rookie because Raiola retired.

 

[brewer229]

I hate it so much when ypg is the only ranking looked at. Especially when staffords ypg is always ignored

I agree but that is the way they currently rate defenses, so that's the standard you need to use. the standard for QBs is QB rating.

There are so many ways to look at it and they all have their flaws.

 

[LKP]

I agree but that is the way they currently rate defenses, so that's the standard you need to use. the standard for QBs is QB rating.

There are so many ways to look at it and they all have their flaws.

Or people (not you) could just not be lazy and look at everything and make a determination based on that. Sacks/hits/hurres, rush YPC, pass YPG/opponent Qb rating, TDS allowed, turnovers forced, 3rd down % is a good start.

Look at all that to make the ranking instead of posting one stat on yards and using that as the barometer.

 

[brewer229]

Or people (not you) could just not be lazy and look at everything and make a determination based on that. Sacks/hits/hurres, rush YPC, pass YPG/opponent Qb rating, TDS allowed, turnovers forced, 3rd down % is a good start.

Look at all that to make the ranking instead of posting one stat on yards and using that as the barometer.

Why would I wasted my time pulling stats when the guy is obviously wrong. Or is it your argument that the 2011 Giants were a dominate defense throughout the season?

To me it was a good way to show the point. Most elite defenses will give up less yards.

 

[LKP]

Why would I wasted my time pulling stats when the guy is obviously wrong. Or is it your argument that the 2011 Giants were a dominate defense throughout the season?

To me it was a good way to show the point. Most elite defenses will give up less yards.

If you look at everything maybe they are a good defense. Yards per game clearly doesn't tell the whole story. May have just been a good playoff defensive streak for the Giants and Ravens. Maybe not. Maybe their were other signs of a good defense during the regular season or guys coming back from injury (Balt with Suggs/Lewis).

 

[brewer229]

If you look at everything maybe they are a good defense. Yards per game clearly doesn't tell the whole story. May have just been a good playoff defensive streak for the Giants and Ravens. Maybe not. Maybe their were other signs of a good defense during the regular season or guys coming back from injury (Balt with Suggs/Lewis).

I agree with you I hardly ever look at one stat. Just when someone throws out a comment like top tier defenses have won the last few super bowls without anything to back it up, I chose the stat that they use to rank defenses to show that isn't the case.

No matter how you slice it the Giants were a bad defense. The point is you don't need to be elite to win. Even bad defense can put together a few good games. You don't need to be a top 10 defense to make the playoffs.

 

[mhughes0021]

The Swanson pick was brilliant. One of the BEST if not thee BEST Center in the draft this year. Huge, mean, nasty player. Only retards will complain about the pick.

And if he sits behind Raiola? So what?! He's our starter 150% next year and he won't be replaced for the next 10+ years!! He's a fn beast...

And if crayola comes back next year and samsonite sits again....were down to 2 years on his rookie deal with no idea how good the kid is. And if you have an Alex mack sitting there for you in rd 2 next year you cant take him cause we have swammy on the bench.

Also, he was the 3rd center off the board....so you can keep saying he was the best center in the draft but ill be more apt in taking the gm of san Francisco's word for it over yours.

 

[LKP]

And if crayola comes back next year and samsonite sits again....were down to 2 years on his rookie deal with no idea how good the kid is. And if you have an Alex mack sitting there for you in rd 2 next year you cant take him cause we have swammy on the bench.

Also, he was the 3rd center off the board....so you can keep saying he was the best center in the draft but ill be more apt in taking the gm of san Francisco's word for it over yours.

2 years of good depth with 2016 and 2017 to start. Sounds successful.

Plus able to use that Round 2 or 3 pick on something else next year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Or people (not you) could just not be lazy and look at everything and make a determination based on that. Sacks/hits/hurres, rush YPC, pass YPG/opponent Qb rating, TDS allowed, turnovers forced, 3rd down % is a good start.

Look at all that to make the ranking instead of posting one stat on yards and using that as the barometer.

And how many of those were we average or less at..? Sacks, pass ypg, opponent qbr, turnovers forced, rushing yards per attempt..

Just off the top of my head..that's why we're average or less not Seattle.

Edit: forgot TDS allowed.

 

[Mitchrapp]

And if crayola comes back next year and samsonite sits again....were down to 2 years on his rookie deal with no idea how good the kid is. And if you have an Alex mack sitting there for you in rd 2 next year you cant take him cause we have swammy on the bench.

Also, he was the 3rd center off the board....so you can keep saying he was the best center in the draft but ill be more apt in taking the gm of san Francisco's word for it over yours.

I don't think Crayola is here in 2015. If he is then I'm with ya..Offensive lineman don't get into games unless someone gets hurt..there is no rotation so if he's sitting two years than it was a cluster fk.