To everyone who says Ebron can be like Graham

[LKP]

Even when healthy, the most sacks Jones has ever had in a season was 5. That's not very impressive.

I never said I didn't like Taylor. In fact, I do like him as a player. I just like him a lot more as a backup than a starter currently. If he plays very well to begin the season, I'm all for starting him. And I would take him over any of the DEs in the draft this year other than Clowney and Mack. But currently he's only had a few good games and on a team with good DEs he would be a backup.

Jones is the 4th guy. Anything from him is icing on the cake. Jones produced big time in 2010 and 2012 in his limited 2012 games. 2011 was bad with no help on that titans line. He can't be the guy but he can be a good complement. With this dline around him, jones can produce and there is a reason we signed and started him. Big prove it year and he will be the starter.

I have more confidence in Taylor starting due to jones injury than I do any round 2 rookie in this class

 

[inkfreq]

You know you can't take that back..

I know. I didn't think it would ever happen like that... try not to remind me. Remember, we're friends. Friends don't do that.... shit... yes they do.

 

[lgolfer]

Jones is the 4th guy. Anything from him is icing on the cake. Jones produced big time in 2010 and 2012 in his limited 2012 games. 2011 was bad with no help on that titans line. He can't be the guy but he can be a good complement. With this dline around him, jones can produce and there is a reason we signed and started him. Big prove it year and he will be the starter.

I have more confidence in Taylor starting due to jones injury than I do any round 2 rookie in this class

So getting anything from one of our starting DEs who will always get 1v1s is icing on the cake? Might as well start Larry Webster in that case.

I don't understand why you think I'm disagreeing with you on Taylor. I also have more confidence in Taylor than any round 2 rookies in this class.

 

[LKP]

So getting anything from one of our starting DEs who will always get 1v1s is icing on the cake? Might as well start Larry Webster in that case.

I don't understand why you think I'm disagreeing with you on Taylor. I also have more confidence in Taylor than any round 2 rookies in this class.

The other three are the pass rush for this team. Run d and solid pressure is jones job that you should have confidence in him doing. And Ihedigbo, Quin and van noy can blitz

The lions don't have a de problem!!! You should agree with me if you like Taylor especially. Webster doesn't have the strength to do jones job

And you mentioned sacks. 5 is 2 better than youngs 3

 

[cheeno]

The other three are the pass rush for this team. Run d and solid pressure is jones job that you should have confidence in him doing. And Ihedigbo, Quin and van noy can blitz

The lions don't have a de problem!!! You should agree with me if you like Taylor especially. Webster doesn't have the strength to do jones job

And you mentioned sacks. 5 is 2 better than youngs 3

Young had 40 hurries. I think it was best in the league. The DE spot opposite Ansah is a huge ? and that is assuming Ansah is all the way healthy. Blitzing will help the pressure I have to agree with you there, so will improved secondary play. Assuming Jones is going to come back from a tear at 28 is also a stretch and he was only a pusher to begin with. I second golfer's concerns.

 

[lgolfer]

The other three are the pass rush for this team. Run d and solid pressure is jones job that you should have confidence in him doing. And Ihedigbo, Quin and van noy can blitz

The lions don't have a de problem!!! You should agree with me if you like Taylor especially. Webster doesn't have the strength to do jones job

And you mentioned sacks. 5 is 2 better than youngs 3

Teams with very good D-lines can all rush the passer. Unless you're running a 3-4, the DEs main job is to get after the QB. I would take Avril over Jones and Avril was awful against the run.

I love the fact that we now have more guys who are capable of blitzing. That should make our defense better.

I mentioned Webster as a joke since you said anything we got from Jones is icing on the cake, which is ridiculous.

In my opinion, we currently have 2 DEs that are decent or better at getting to the QB, Ansah and Taylor. As you've mentioned, Jones is much more of a run blocker. Maybe that's why he played a lot of DT in his career and not DE. When the Lions only have 2 DEs who are decent at getting to the QB, it makes our secondary look worse than it already is.

 

[LKP]

Jones can get pressure too. Just saying it's not necessary to have a concern that the lions have a de problem. Especially with Taylor too

 

[LKP]

Young had 40 hurries. I think it was best in the league. The DE spot opposite Ansah is a huge ? and that is assuming Ansah is all the way healthy. Blitzing will help the pressure I have to agree with you there, so will improved secondary play. Assuming Jones is going to come back from a tear at 28 is also a stretch and he was only a pusher to begin with. I second golfer's concerns.

Jones was very good in pass rush two of the last three years he got legitimate snaps. He was the starter over young. We will finally see what jones can do with major help around him. Assuming he is a pass rush problem is really dumb. Injury concern his only issue not talent

 

[cheeno]

Jones was very good in pass rush two of the last three years he got legitimate snaps. He was the starter over young. We will finally see what jones can do with major help around him. Assuming he is a pass rush problem is really dumb. Injury concern his only issue not talent

He played in Seattle - I would guess that would be considered major help around him - that is when he could sniff the field at DT. Another one of Schwartz's Tennessee guys, I'm not expecting much.

 

[LKP]

He played in Seattle - I would guess that would be considered major help around him - that is when he could sniff the field at DT. Another one of Schwartz's Tennessee guys, I'm not expecting much.

He did well in Seattle. And titans 2010 with some help. Top pass rush dt in 2010 in fact. Jones plus help should make you confident in him.

Oh well underrate jones and Houston all you want. 2014 will prove me right if they can stay healthy. If not both very cuttable in 2015 but we can survive either sucking too with Taylor and Mathis/slay in the fray and suh/fairley/Ansah beasting

 

[lgolfer]

He did well in Seattle. And titans 2010 with some help. Top pass rush dt in 2010 in fact. Jones plus help should make you confident in him.

Oh well underrate jones and Houston all you want. 2014 will prove me right if they can stay healthy. If not both very cuttable in 2015 but we can survive either sucking too with Taylor and Mathis/slay in the fray and suh/fairley/Ansah beasting

I hope both Jones and Houston are healthy, but that's a very big if.

If Suh, Fairley, and Ansah are "beasting" then yes, we can survive. The problem is, all 3 have never been "beasting" all at the same time before, so it's hard to expect that in the future. Also, guys get tired and you have to rotate them. If our rotation guys aren't good, then that really hurts us.

 

[LKP]

Suh 8, Ansah 10 sacks, fairley inconsistent self with 6.

Taylor small step 4 sacks, tapp 2.

We had 7.5 from blitzes last year. New aggressive dc bump plus Ihedigbo good blizter changes that to 9 sacks at worst.

Add van noy 4 sacks.

43 sacks with jones at 0 sacks. Icing on the cake. All those numbers I gave you very probable and might be low balling Taylor, blitz or fairley

 

[mhughes0021]

I thought we needed to upgrade the dline if we wanted our secondary to play better. I thought we needed to upgrade the secondary if we wanted our dline to be statistically better.

We did neither....our defense wont be very good.

 

[LKP]

I thought we needed to upgrade the dline if we wanted our secondary to play better. I thought we needed to upgrade the secondary if we wanted our dline to be statistically better.

We did neither....our defense wont be very good.

We upgraded pass rush with year 2 growth and jones returning, plus aggressive dc and Ihedigbo good blitzed. Plus van noy. Pass rush upgraded in many ways. Maybe even fairley motivated for money.

Secondary is all Houston health and slay growth in year 2. New players isn't the only way to get better

 

[mhughes0021]

We upgraded pass rush with year 2 growth and jones returning, plus aggressive dc and Ihedigbo good blitzed. Plus van noy. Pass rush upgraded in many ways. Maybe even fairley motivated for money.

Secondary is all Houston health and slay growth in year 2. New players isn't the only way to get better

have to see it to believe it....its very easy to say an aggressive defense will help. Its just as easy to say an aggressive defense will just lead to more big plays because our secondary didn't improve. I will say in theory we should be able to attack from more spots...Van Noy, Ihedigbo definitely add pieces that can attack that we didn't have before. Not sure if we will be more aggressive but we definitely have a more versatile defense this year. Slay needs to step up, Quin needs to not look lost half the year.

 

[LKP]

have to see it to believe it....its very easy to say an aggressive defense will help. Its just as easy to say an aggressive defense will just lead to more big plays because our secondary didn't improve. I will say in theory we should be able to attack from more spots...Van Noy, Ihedigbo definitely add pieces that can attack that we didn't have before. Not sure if we will be more aggressive but we definitely have a more versatile defense this year. Slay needs to step up, Quin needs to not look lost half the year.

Quin is good in coverage. One of the top ranked in 2013 actually

But if we are playing the believe it when I see it card you can't say anything then

Pass rush better I'll believe it when I see it from this group of players and coaches.

Pass rush is worse and a problem. I'll believe it when I see it.

Pass rush will be around the same. I'll believe it when I see it

 

[lgolfer]

Quin is good in coverage. One of the top ranked in 2013 actually

But if we are playing the believe it when I see it card you can't say anything then

Pass rush better I'll believe it when I see it from this group of players and coaches.

Pass rush is worse and a problem. I'll believe it when I see it.

Pass rush will be around the same. I'll believe it when I see it

How do you not agree with Hughes post? If a team becomes more aggressive on defense, they're more likely to give up big plays. Otherwise every team would become more and more aggressive.

So then the only thing we've seen and therefore can believe is that the Lions went 7-9 last year and 4-12 the year before.

 

[LKP]

How do you not agree with Hughes post? If a team becomes more aggressive on defense, they're more likely to give up big plays. Otherwise every team would become more and more aggressive.

So then the only thing we've seen and therefore can believe is that the Lions went 7-9 last year and 4-12 the year before.

If the aggressiveness hits home they give up less. Qb gets all day to throw since front four only isn't full proof, you can give up big plays too.

7-9 but looked like a 12-4 team when you get into the details and injuries

 

[lgolfer]

If the aggressiveness hits home they give up less. Qb gets all day to throw since front four only isn't full proof, you can give up big plays too.

7-9 but looked like a 12-4 team when you get into the details and injuries

It's true that if the aggressiveness hits home they give up less. But no aggressive team hits home every time. Naturally, they get burnt sometimes.

It doesn't matter what you think they looked like (personally, the Lions looked like one of the worst teams in the league for much of the 2nd half of the season), it only matters what their record was. A team doesn't make the playoffs because they look like they should be better.

 

[LKP]

It does matter what they looked like when making an assessment of the players going forward. It doesn't help them get in the playoffs in 2013 but you can have more confidence in them if you analyze in detail and truly understand what caused the losses and what can be avoided