Training Camp MEGA thread

[tonyballs]

just wait til Stafford goes down and dan O is the starter!

Why would he go down? He's been healthy the last few years.

You really are a Packers fan eh dude? lol

 

[dubbsco]

105.1 is at training camp. Last call before they went off-air.

"Kellen Moore to Ebron... He's got him!! And he dropped it."

Apparently he's been dropping passes left and right. Better give him that shit they used in the movie The Replacements.

 

[LKP]

105.1 is at training camp. Last call before they went off-air.

"Kellen Moore to Ebron... He's got him!! And he dropped it."

Apparently he's been dropping passes left and right. Better give him that shit they used in the movie The Replacements.

We'll see what his completion rate is. Separation is key.

 

[ruff]

We'll see what his completion rate is. Separation is key.

catching the fucking ball is key fucktard.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Lol.

 

[LKP]

catching the fucking ball is key fucktard.

He does. The majority of the time. A handful of drops you can deal with if he has a good completion rate due to many easy catches from separation on top of great YPC.

 

[tomdalton22]

He does. The majority of the time. A handful of drops you can deal with if he has a good completion rate due to many easy catches from separation on top of great YPC.

plus you will be able to pad Stafford's "true completion %"

 

[LKP]

plus you will be able to pad Stafford's "true completion %"

Drops aren't Staffords fault. The tape doesn't lie.

 

[dubbsco]

The Broncos and Patriots also dropped a ton of passes, how did it work out for them?

You have to put this whole thing in perspective. The Lions who led the league in drops, had 2.75 dropped passes a game. The team's with the fewest drops had 0.812. That's a difference of 1.938 a game. Are those two passes big enough for you to say that's why the Lions got screwed/unlucky a ton? TWO passes a game?

 

[LKP]

The Broncos and Patriots also dropped a ton of passes, how did it work out for them?

You have to put this whole thing in perspective. The Lions who led the league in drops, had 2.75 dropped passes a game. The team's with the fewest drops had 0.812. That's a difference of 1.938 a game. Are those two passes big enough for you to say that's why the Lions got screwed/unlucky a ton? TWO passes a game?

Yes. 15 close losses. 2 passes can change a game. Calvin catches those two against Baltimore, the one against Tampa that turned into an int, Ross catches a FD before the pick to Calvin against Pittsburgh. We're talking Lions playoffs and Schwartz and company still here.

 

[dubbsco]

Nah, I'm not buying it. The drops is not why the Lions missed the playoffs and Schwartz still being here. Denver dealt with a high number of drops, made it to the SB. New England made it to the AFC Championship game.

It's not a big enough gap to explain good teams vs bad teams. If the Lions were dropping 6 passes a game, and Seattle was dropping 0.5, then fine. But the numbers are just too bunched together and the gap is not wide enough for it to be an excuse.

 

[cheeno]

Most games are won and lost on 5 plays or less. We just lose those 5 way more often than we win them.

 

[dubbsco]

I don't know about that Cheeno. There are a few crucial plays a game, but leading up to that is all the work the teams do to put themselves into those spots. Before the big 40 yard TD, there was 5-6 short passes, 3-4 yard runs, first downs, etc... Yes, you can point to a few moments, but that's selling the game itself short.

 

[LKP]

Nah, I'm not buying it. The drops is not why the Lions missed the playoffs and Schwartz still being here. Denver dealt with a high number of drops, made it to the SB. New England made it to the AFC Championship game.

It's not a big enough gap to explain good teams vs bad teams. If the Lions were dropping 6 passes a game, and Seattle was dropping 0.5, then fine. But the numbers are just too bunched together and the gap is not wide enough for it to be an excuse.

Drops and injuries. This leads to more Durham targets and bad completion %.

64% to Calvin,Burleson,Pettigrew,RBs.

Turnovers were a problem too. Ball security 15 fumbles 2nd worst in league. 19 picks, only 12 were Stafford, 7 were weapons issues. We got better weapons which can help reduce the weapons picks and Stafford picks. As well as improvement with better coaching and a less predictable scheme.

The 34 turnovers on offense screwed a good defense. As well as some injuries.

 

[cheeno]

I don't know about that Cheeno. There are a few crucial plays a game, but leading up to that is all the work the teams do to put themselves into those spots. Before the big 40 yard TD, there was 5-6 short passes, 3-4 yard runs, first downs, etc... Yes, you can point to a few moments, but that's selling the game itself short.

You're right, I don't think you can separate them out from the plays that were made leading up to those turning points. Just that you can always point back to a handful of plays and say, well if that did happen or if that didn't happen, we would have won. The Lions historically have not done well on those plays for whatever reason.

 

[cheeno]

Drops and injuries. This leads to more Durham targets and bad completion %.

64% to Calvin,Burleson,Pettigrew,RBs.

Turnovers were a problem too. Ball security 15 fumbles 2nd worst in league. 19 picks, only 12 were Stafford, 7 were weapons issues. We got better weapons which can help reduce the weapons picks and Stafford picks. As well as improvement with better coaching and a less predictable scheme.

The 34 turnovers on offense screwed a good defense. As well as some injuries.

I guess "fluke" turnovers have been retired from the lexicon. Now you have accepted we just turn the ball over. "True" interceptions are now separated into Stafford and Weapons picks, nice touch.

 

[LKP]

I guess "fluke" turnovers have been retired from the lexicon. Now you have accepted we just turn the ball over. "True" interceptions are now separated into Stafford and Weapons picks, nice touch.

Some of those fumbles and ints were still flukes. That doesn't go away. The tape doesn't lie.

 

[grandy]

Do you happen to have a list of fluke fumbles and interceptions by team? I'm curious to see how flukes had an impact on success around the league.

 

[dubbsco]

I just think that goes without saying in sports, and in life. Second guessing moments is the name of the game. I just don't like to pin stuff on a few moments. I like to look at the whole course of the game. The great teams learn how to overcome those few moments of failure. When adversity hits the Lions, they wilt.

 

[LKP]

Do you happen to have a list of fluke fumbles and interceptions by team? I'm curious to see how flukes had an impact on success around the league.

By team doesn't matter for Detroit other than opponents on that particular game day. And I didn't see many by our opponents last year. There were some (RG3 fumble for instance) but not as many as Detroit had. And Detroit still deserved to beat the Redskins by outplaying them. Game by game is all I care about. I don't worry about other teams. I worry about what it takes to get Detroit to 10-11 wins.

Just know flukes don't always continue going forward. There will be some in 2014 but maybe not as many. We'll see.

Turnovers can reduce several ways. Stafford improvement, weapon improvement (separation/sure hands) and a reduction in flukes (tipped balls hit the ground instead of lucky picks, fumbles follow physics and go out of bounds) and better recovery rates by Detroit on both sides of the ball.