Who would you trade?

[Mitchrapp]

He did hit 5 in the ALCS so maybe next year, BB goes back to 3 and DY stays at 5.

 

[mjsb2]

He had one good season.

At this point, he's a mediocre player, not the best option for LF, not the worst.

I'd rather the Tigers let him leave, but that's probably not going to happen, and I'm fine with that.

I just hate that Leyland will undoubtedly bat him right in front of Cabrera.

My point was, he's a mediocre player, and mediocre players don't have trade value.

He shouldn't hit 3rd. It's funny but I remember Smoot was arguing a couple yrs ago that Raburn was a better hitter than DY.

Well, they've been pretty much even the past two years, and Raburn has better career numbers.

 

[mjsb2]

Mitch[/color]]He did hit 5 in the ALCS so maybe next year, BB goes back to 3 and DY stays at 5.

I think that was just because of his injury.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He shouldn't hit 3rd. It's funny but I remember Smoot was arguing a couple yrs ago that Raburn was a better hitter than DY.

Well, they've been pretty much even the past two years, and Raburn has better career numbers.

But Raburn is so inconsistent.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]He did hit 5 in the ALCS so maybe next year, BB goes back to 3 and DY stays at 5.

I think that was just because of his injury.

I think they put Cabby 3 because of the DY injury but when he returned kept Cabby 3 and went DY at 5.

 

[spockmaster]

Mitch[/color]]

Well, they've been pretty much even the past two years, and Raburn has better career numbers.

But Raburn is so inconsistent.

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]

But Raburn is so inconsistent.

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

Delmon is all over the map streaky, too. Look at any breakdown in any year and he's up and down month by month, just like Raburn. I'm not sure what you are basing his "even pace" on.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

But Raburn is so inconsistent.

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

I'll take a .280 hitter each month than .240 for 3 and .320 for the other 3. Basically I'll take DY over Raburn.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]

But Raburn is so inconsistent.

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

Month by month is different than 3 bad followed by 3 good.

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

I'll take a .280 hitter each month than .240 for 3 and .320 for the other 3. Basically I'll take DY over Raburn.

I'm guessing you haven't looked at the breakdown of either, because they are remarkably similar. That doesn't fit with the groupthink's narrative, though.

 

[mjsb2]

Mitch[/color]]

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

I'll take a .280 hitter each month than .240 for 3 and .320 for the other 3. Basically I'll take DY over Raburn.

You just summed up Delmon.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No. No I didn't. If DY does that as many as Raburn has I want proof. I'm not talking .250 one month followed by .300 the next. Raburn is a bit more inconsistent as in .210 one followed by .320.

 

[spockmaster]

raburn's offensive production is schizo and evens out to about the level DY does at a more even pace. theyre also both butchers in the field, DY moreso than raburn (at least in the OF).

Delmon is all over the map streaky, too. Look at any breakdown in any year and he's up and down month by month, just like Raburn. I'm not sure what you are basing his "even pace" on.

i thought it was more even before i checked, my bad. DY basically IS raburn...worthless until about june. DY looks like he peaks earlier (june/july) and then falls off a bit again whereas raburn peaks in aug/sept. theyre both abysmal in the field too. i dont see the point of keeping both of them, we should get rid of young (not that i had wanted to keep him anyways).

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well if they are similar, I want the young guy.

 

[mjsb2]

Delmon Young's OPS by month

2010
.673
.886
.807
1.191
.557
.804

2009
.591
.524
.667
.843
.755
.907

2008
.619
.697
.817
.813
.707
.823

2007
.672
.707
.762
.806
.714
.674

The fact of the matter is that players are very inconsistent on a monthly basis and that the year end result is all that should really be considered.

 

[mhughes0021]

young definitely hits the ball harder but hes so frikken slow im not so sure that would lead to more extra base hits over the course of the season. Without researching i would assume their K numbers are somewhat similar. Id rather see raburn get to a ball and drop it then DY waddle his way toward a ball that drops miles away from him.

Overall i think DY would end up being more of a risk/reward guy but due to recent history i cant ever call Raburn more consistent since he decides every year to suck hitting the ball until the last 2 months of the season. If im being honest id rather have someone else in LF at the start of next year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Easier said than done. But I still rather have a 26 year old than a 30 year if they're similar. I like the Waddling reference but man, Raburn can be brutal in the OF as well.

 

[Rebbiv]

There are a couple of variables from to month to month to infer anything into a players performance. How well they hit home versus away. Lefties versus righties. Etc, etc.

As an example, Brandon Inge hit .324 BAVG .899 OPS for Sep. 8 of his 9 Games started were against lefty starters. Inge has always hit lefties well.

Last 3 years Total

Raburn 91.07 RC/650 .274 BAVG .329 OBP .473 SLG .802 OPS
Young 78.07 RC/650 .284 BAVG .316 OBP .442 SLG .758 OPS

Last 3 years Home

Raburn 84.11 RC/650 .260 BAVG .312 OBP .467 SLG .779 OPS
Young 79.37 RC/650 .285 BAVG .313 OBP .442 SLG .755 OPS

Last 3 years Away

Raburn 97.08 RC/650 .285 BAVG .343 OBP .478 SLG .821 OPS
Young 76.82 RC/650 .284 BAVG .319 OBP .441 SLG .760 OPS

Last 3 years vs RHP

Raburn 78.55 RC/650 .268 BAVG .310 OBP .424 SLG .734 OPS
Young 69.02 RC/650 .274 BAVG .303 OBP .415 SLG .718 OPS

Last 3 years vs LHP

Raburn 110.43 RC/650 .282 BAVG .355 OBP .547 SLG .902 OPS
Young 100.58 RC/650 .308 BAVG .345 OBP .503 SLG .848 OPS

Last 3 years Runners On Base

Raburn 79.65 RC/650 .275 BAVG .337 OBP .437 SLG .774 OPS
Young 70.14 RC/650 .295 BAVG .322 OBP .457 SLG .779 OPS


In all situations, Raburn is about 10 runs better than Young. That equates out to about 2 wins. Young's issues are his walk rate and his grounded into double play rate.

With runners on base, Raburn grounds into a double play once every 29.39 Plate Appearances. Young = 14.10 PA/GIDP. He doubles the rate of Raburn. To be fair, Miguel Cabrera grounds into a double play once every 16.02 PAs. However, here is Cabrera's stats with ROB over last 3 years.

Cabrera 122.88 RC/650 .336 BAVG .430 OBP .583 SLG 1.013 OPS

You accept Cabrera's GIDP due to his other numbers.

Young is a below average offensive and defensive corner OFer. At 26, he is what he is. Unless he has an epiphany, he isn't changing (aka improving) for the rest of his career.

IMHO, the Tigers need a big time lefthanded hitting corner OFer. I am not sold on Boesch and a platoon with Raburn would be perfect in LF. I would say go get a RFer. Choo, Markakis or even Beltran.

 

[tomdalton22]

Delmon Young's OPS by month

2010
.673
.886
.807
1.191
.557
.804

2009
.591
.524
.667
.843
.755
.907

2008
.619
.697
.817
.813
.707
.823

2007
.672
.707
.762
.806
.714
.674

The fact of the matter is that players are very inconsistent on a monthly basis and that the year end result is all that should really be considered.

I think you should also consider potential. Even though both have been around I think DY has a much higher ceiling. There is a reason he was a top pick. I'm not saying that the Tigers have some miracle coaching staff...but there is much more potential with DY. Rayburn is what he is.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

This is a good discussion. I think a lot of us are quick to pencil in Young and Peralta based on what they did this year for us, but the fact is that both were much more consistent and played well above their career averages for us. What happens if/when water finds its level next season?

I've liked what DY has done here, but he's a below average LF in a really spacious OF, we've already got a much better DH locked up, and we've got other options. Peralta has improved in the field and at the plate, but I'm still not convinced he hasn't just had a career year. I'm okay with either or both coming back as starters in LF and SS respectively, but if we've got a chance to seriously upgrade either position (e.g., getting Reyes, Rollins, Beltran, Gardner, etc.) we've gotta look at doing it.

The arguments about Peralta's feelings are ridiculous. He's not Alan Trammell. He's been here a short time, is on a short deal, and doesn't make enough for it to really matter. If he pouts about us upgrading the position and won't play elsewhere, he'll make a nice trade piece.

On the Raburn/DY argument, I'm torn. DY is younger and has more upside, but Raburn is much more versatile in that he can play IF or OF (albeit it fairly poorly). This is less important when you have a guy like Don Kelly on the roster too, but it's yet another factor to consider.