Who would you trade?

[spockmaster]

id also like to point out that by far the bulk of Boesch's success against lefties has been based on an unsustainable .391 BABIP. i think at best hed be average against lefties, but i would be willing to bet his platoon splits will plummet as his BABIP does and he'll likely have a noticable normal split. look what happened when ajax's BABIP dropped 58 points this year from last. i think he and raburn would be a decent platoon pair and that we should get a regular corner outfielder.

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]All I'm saying is I'm not sure I want a .220 hitter or worse for 3 months. for whatever reason, Raburn has a few seasons where he just decides not to hit. He also strikes out more than DY. And I'm getting really sick of the Inge/AJ/Raburn trio when it comes to striking out. I know DY is no walk machine but Raburn isn't much better.

And I'm not sure if they want to keep both and who's decision it might be, but Leyland obviously prefers DY since he was getting the AB over Raburn. That was before Maggs got hurt. And I'm not sure how he feels about a 4th or 5th OF but IMO, they need to be able to play defense well so they can come in as defensive replacement. So I'm thinking they only keep one of the two.

Last 3 years

Raburn 15.99 PA/BB

Young 27.85 PA/BB


Isn't much better? Umm...it is very much better, almost double.

Of 299 players, Young is 278th and Raburn is 207th.

Also, Young is 5th most in GIDP, right behind Ordonez (4th). Raburn is 219th.

 

[Rebbiv]

KalineCountry[/color]]

Why would it be a poor trade? I'd do it in a heartbeat.

imo, markakis had a bit of a down year for him. and going into the 4th year of this contract;
09:$3M, 10:$6.75M, 11:$10.25M, 12:$12M, 13:$15M, 14:$15M, 15:$17.5M club option ($2M buyout)

Yes, Markakis had a down year (for him).

2011

Away = .308 BAVG .369 OBP .433 SLG .802 OPS

2nd Half = .274 BAVG .365 OBP .442 SLG .806 OPS

Since April = .298 BAVG .364 OBP .427 SLG .791 OPS


His power numbers (i.e. slg/hr) have dropped the past few years, but he still gets on base at an incredible rate. Obviously Cabrera gets on base more, but Markakis' .364 OBP over the last 3 years, is not too far behind Victor's .372. Next on the list, you would have to drop down to Raburn at .343.

 

[Mitchrapp]

id also like to point out that by far the bulk of Boesch's success against lefties has been based on an unsustainable .391 BABIP. i think at best hed be average against lefties, but i would be willing to bet his platoon splits will plummet as his BABIP does and he'll likely have a noticable normal split. look what happened when ajax's BABIP dropped 58 points this year from last. i think he and raburn would be a decent platoon pair and that we should get a regular corner outfielder.

I know he hasn't had a ton of at bats in his two seasons but who knows, maybe he will. But Leylands not going to platoon him next hear based on his numbers against LHP as they currently are.

"Well Brendon, your numbers against LHP have been good but I have no faith in you to continue it so we're going to platoon you with Raburn though he probably won't hit for 3 months", lol. I don't think so. At least at the start of 2012, BB has earned his way to start against LHP. Maybe it changes but he'll be a FT player come 2012. And so will Young.

But JL gives many days off to his regulars so Raburn will get those starts. So he'll still get his 200 PA. If the majority are against LHP maybe he won't start off slow.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]All I'm saying is I'm not sure I want a .220 hitter or worse for 3 months. for whatever reason, Raburn has a few seasons where he just decides not to hit. He also strikes out more than DY. And I'm getting really sick of the Inge/AJ/Raburn trio when it comes to striking out. I know DY is no walk machine but Raburn isn't much better.

And I'm not sure if they want to keep both and who's decision it might be, but Leyland obviously prefers DY since he was getting the AB over Raburn. That was before Maggs got hurt. And I'm not sure how he feels about a 4th or 5th OF but IMO, they need to be able to play defense well so they can come in as defensive replacement. So I'm thinking they only keep one of the two.

Last 3 years

Raburn 15.99 PA/BB

Young 27.85 PA/BB


Isn't much better? Umm...it is very much better, almost double.

Of 299 players, Young is 278th and Raburn is 207th.

Also, Young is 5th most in GIDP, right behind Ordonez (4th). Raburn is 219th.

My bad.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]All I'm saying is I'm not sure I want a .220 hitter or worse for 3 months. for whatever reason, Raburn has a few seasons where he just decides not to hit. He also strikes out more than DY. And I'm getting really sick of the Inge/AJ/Raburn trio when it comes to striking out. I know DY is no walk machine but Raburn isn't much better.

And I'm not sure if they want to keep both and who's decision it might be, but Leyland obviously prefers DY since he was getting the AB over Raburn. That was before Maggs got hurt. And I'm not sure how he feels about a 4th or 5th OF but IMO, they need to be able to play defense well so they can come in as defensive replacement. So I'm thinking they only keep one of the two.

Last 3 years

Raburn 15.99 PA/BB

Young 27.85 PA/BB


Isn't much better? Umm...it is very much better, almost double.

Of 299 players, Young is 278th and Raburn is 207th.

Also, Young is 5th most in GIDP, right behind Ordonez (4th). Raburn is 219th.

So if they are playing full time Rayburn walks once every 4 days and Young once every 7. That isn't much of a difference if you look at it that way.

 

[jimrice]

Last 3 years

Raburn 15.99 PA/BB

Young 27.85 PA/BB


Isn't much better? Umm...it is very much better, almost double.

Of 299 players, Young is 278th and Raburn is 207th.

Also, Young is 5th most in GIDP, right behind Ordonez (4th). Raburn is 219th.

So if they are playing full time Rayburn walks once every 4 days and Young once every 7. That isn't much of a difference if you look at it that way.

It seems even bigger that way. 40 more times on base is a lot.

 

[tomdalton22]

So if they are playing full time Rayburn walks once every 4 days and Young once every 7. That isn't much of a difference if you look at it that way.

It seems even bigger that way. 40 more times on base is a lot.

Sure...if all other things being equal. However, given that Rayburn has had the benifit of more platoons (more lefty matchups) and the fact that there is only a 0.002 difference in OBP the walks don't even matter.

 

[thehippo73]

Why not trade Young and Raburn in a package for a quality 2nd baseman? Phillips or Aybar?

 

[beez]

Why not trade Young and Raburn in a package for a quality 2nd baseman? Phillips or Aybar?

Because no one is trading a quality 2nd baseman for Raburn n Young. lol

 

[randyf10]

Both of those 2b are on teams that don't need DY or Raburn. I say Scherzer for Brandon Phillips, sign Buehrle for 3 yrs, sign B Chen or B McCarthy for one year, until Turner is totally ready, one Bullpen arm and Zumaya to a minor league deal. Line-up Phillips, Boesch, Cabrera, Martinez, Young, Avilla, Peralta, Inge/Kelly, Jackson Rotation Verlander Beuhrle Fister Porcello 5th SP

 

[beez]

Not that I don't like Phillps but since he really got into the meat of his career he's about a .280 hitter and strikes out about twice as much as he walks. His SB% of late has been shit too. Career .322 obp, and hits quite a few double. Would depend on how much he gets paid to know if I'm on board or not. He's a free agent this year though I think, they might not need to deal for him.

 

[spockmaster]

i still like the idea of signing Jamey Carroll to a short deal.

http://motorcitybengals.com/2011/10/20/tigers-potential-free-agent-target-jamey-carroll/

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't want a trade between Scherzer and Phillips. Might as well just stick with Sanchez.

 

[randyf10]

Who and the heck is Sanchez? Do you mean Santiago? Do you really want to see what happens to Santiago's stats if he plays FT ? I think you will end up with about a .240 BA and an OBP of not much more, he is a very good utility IF to use in spot duty.

 

[tomdalton22]

Who and the heck is Sanchez? Do you mean Santiago? Do you really want to see what happens to Santiago's stats if he plays FT ? I think you will end up with about a .240 BA and an OBP of not much more, he is a very good utility IF to use in spot duty.

The last 3 years he has hit a little over .260. He is a switch hitter that puts the ball in play. I think if he played full time he would hit .260 or a little better.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years Away


Phillips 76.36 RC/650 .277 BAVG .332 OBP .406 SLG .739 OPS

Santiago 57.18 RC/650 .250 BAVG .305 OBP .316 SLG .621 OPS


We are talking roughly 4 win difference between the two. Granted, I am not a proponent of acquiring Phillips because of his price tag, however, I would not want Santiago to be anything more than a spot starter/utility infielder.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years

Raburn 15.99 PA/BB

Young 27.85 PA/BB


Isn't much better? Umm...it is very much better, almost double.

Of 299 players, Young is 278th and Raburn is 207th.

Also, Young is 5th most in GIDP, right behind Ordonez (4th). Raburn is 219th.

So if they are playing full time Rayburn walks once every 4 days and Young once every 7. That isn't much of a difference if you look at it that way.

The difference between a .300 hitter and .250 hitter is only 1 hit a week. "That isn't much difference if you look at it that way."

 

[Rebbiv]

It seems even bigger that way. 40 more times on base is a lot.

Sure...if all other things being equal. However, given that Rayburn has had the benifit of more platoons (more lefty matchups) and the fact that there is only a 0.002 difference in OBP the walks don't even matter.

The OBP is actually 0.013 difference.


For the life of me, I have no idea why so many are high on Delmon Young. There is virtually no skill-set or attribute that is a plus, and quite a few that are negatives.

I get Raburn. He has negatives, but he certainly has some positives.

 

[food4thought]

I think alot of Raburns hitting problems stem from playing a defensive position he is utterly incapable of handling (2B)... if given LF regularly he might not be that bad in the first half (can't remember if we've done that with him yet).

Still, Young is coming up on a contract year and has significantly higher power potential... I think him batting behind Martinez is a good deal, but not him batting 3rd due to low OBP.

Another possibility would be to keep both and hope Young plays out of his mind in the first half, then use him in a trade to upgrade the team long term, and let Raburn play his usual 2nd half in LF.
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