sggatecl
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Keep in mind that even if they let Pettigrew walk, they could always just sign another cheaper TE free agent. There are a ton this off season that are affordable, even with limited cap space.
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Get StartedIt`s the lions, they love thier offensive toys. How often have you said you would be surprised if they took a WR in the top 3 rounds? Ive lost count myself
Keep in mind that even if they let Pettigrew walk, they could always just sign another cheaper TE free agent. There are a ton this off season that are affordable, even with limited cap space.
pitta reunites with Caldwell?
2. There is no back seven player that will make a huge difference this year and if there is one he may not be taken in the first round. Look back at the DBs who have come out in the past few years and you will see a lot of busts (Mo Claibourne is a good example, higher rated than any of the guys coming out this year - no impact or negative impact, Mark Barron, decent safety - no impact). Even more you will see that beginning middle and later round picks are becoming much similar in terms of impact. DB is an incredibly hard position in today's NFL if there is any position I want to FA at it is that one and even then it isn't a lock you are getting the right guy (Finnegan sucked last year hard).
Do you disagree that Mack or Barr could not make a huge difference? I will somewhat agree with you on the rest. The secondary players are a crapshoot, they may not be stars out the gate but they still could be solid starters and huge upgrades over what we have. However Mack and Barr have the ability to be playmakers
Mack is an interesting prospect either he is Freeney and LT or Aaron Curry. To me he isn't a safe pick at all (and this is coming from a guy who thought Ziggy was the safest pick in the draft so that should tell you something).
100% agree that drafting 1st round secondary players very well could turn out to be huge upgrades in the long run, there is no denying that (even the short run but based on what I have read and my own limited analysis the back 7 players in this draft will likely experience some growing pains). I think we need to draft day one impact players and I see Watkins, a few OTs and a few DEs fitting that bill. If you want to go safe upgrade Reiff who was actually worst than the eye test (I thought he was pretty good) as per PFF (I can dig up the link but I'm too tired).
Barr and Ealy to me are really close to the point that it is a coin flip. Both play well and will test well, one of those two will be a stud maybe both, I'm not an NFL scout so I can't say who (and even they get it wrong more than half the time).
Mack is an interesting prospect either he is Freeney and LT or Aaron Curry. To me he isn't a safe pick at all (and this is coming from a guy who thought Ziggy was the safest pick in the draft so that should tell you something).
Mitch your question on when to draft a CB:
I think you have to roll with FA and later round picks unless a guy blows you out of the water or we start picking in the 16-32 range. At 10 I don't think this is the year.
Curious why you feel that way about Mack. If it`s because he is a MAC player, while I will admit I only have seen maybe two of his games in his whole career. I did watch him play Ohio State this year and he was a beast, dominated and made plays the entire game.
http://bleacherreport.com/users/1093730-scott-polacek
Take the above with a grain of salt, its written by some twig boy from bleacher report with absolutely no analysis of their skill sets beyond their stats - if that was the case Michael Sam would be a first rounder. I know some seasoned draft analysts like Mack but I see him in the 15-20 range with Mayock going "I don't know why this kid is falling, maybe because he's from the MAC, he's the highest rated guy on my board." Which is where I usually start thinking out Big Mike Williams.
Just as an aside the writer of that fluff piece looks like the CPS guy from King of the Hill:
ya I haven't been a big fan of mack either. I actually kind of wish mack and barr were rolled into one lol. I see barr as having a better chance of being a 4-3 DE and being able to put on size. I see Mack as more athletic and explosive on the edge. I guess if you want both you draft clowney lol.
Well I can't say I am some great evaluator of talent so maybe Mack is the stud he's made out to be. I would trade up to draft Clowney in a heartbeat if you want to talk day one impact that's the guy.
Not sure if you were serious or not, but trading up to draft Clowney would be a bad move for the Lions in my opinion. Obviously, our D-line would potentially be amazing with Clowney, Suh, Fairley, and Ansah. But we'd have to give up at least a 2nd round pick to get him. And we have more important needs like WR and the secondary that we need to fill.
Based on the draft value chart, in the best case scenario where Clowney falls to Oakland at #5, we'd still have to give up a 2nd round pick to trade up to #5. I don't think we can get starters at safety, WRs 2 and 3, TE, and add depth with only picks in rounds 3-7 and free agency with the salary cap restrictions, even if the salary cap is $130 million, like they're projecting it to be now.
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