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2014 Mock Draft Thread

Keep in mind that even if they let Pettigrew walk, they could always just sign another cheaper TE free agent. There are a ton this off season that are affordable, even with limited cap space.
 
It`s the lions, they love thier offensive toys. How often have you said you would be surprised if they took a WR in the top 3 rounds? Ive lost count myself

I'm worried about a WR. Just not sure the Lions can draft one, they've had so many failures.
 
Mayock says this is the best and deepest draft in 10 years. Hopefully he's right..
 
Keep in mind that even if they let Pettigrew walk, they could always just sign another cheaper TE free agent. There are a ton this off season that are affordable, even with limited cap space.

pitta reunites with Caldwell?
 

I like ealy if barr is gone. Only real problem I have with it is they can do other things to sure up the other DE spot. If they don't pick gilbert at 10 they are pretty much rolling with Houston again...cause I don't see them landing a good #1 cb in FA. So while I like Ealy....its hard for me to pick him over gilbert not knowing what theyre going to do at corner. With Barr I think is value his there...youre basically getting a top 5 pick at 10....so its worth the risk a bit more.
 
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pitta reunites with Caldwell?

Possibly. Assuming Graham gets franchised, you've got Pitta, Pettigrew, Finley, Graham, Myers, and Keller all looking for a home. There aren't enough teams that are desperate for a TE for them all to make big money. There will be affordable options.

(Chandler, Quarless, Dickson, and Scheffler also...the list goes on)
 
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So a few things to address.

1. TE at 10. Mayock today says he could see Ebron landing in the top 10. I'm skeptical and he would have to test off the charts. Not Vernon Davis of the charts but close (I think he runs a 4.6 or 4.7, catches well, but benches poorly). Anyways if you advocate a TE at that slot watch some film on Ebron who is a very good player.

2. There is no back seven player that will make a huge difference this year and if there is one he may not be taken in the first round. Look back at the DBs who have come out in the past few years and you will see a lot of busts (Mo Claibourne is a good example, higher rated than any of the guys coming out this year - no impact or negative impact, Mark Barron, decent safety - no impact). Even more you will see that beginning middle and later round picks are becoming much similar in terms of impact. DB is an incredibly hard position in today's NFL if there is any position I want to FA at it is that one and even then it isn't a lock you are getting the right guy (Finnegan sucked last year hard).

3. There is no WR in play at 10 other than Watkins. Every other guy has some holes in his game that could spell bust. Lee and Evans both have things they do well with major upside, but if you tell me in 3 years Cooks and Matthews were better I wouldn't bat an eye (and there are many more examples I just picked those two off the top of my head).

4. After the combine Ealy will be in the discussion in the top ten and may grade out higher than Barr. Just prediction, prognositcation, and overall opinion. Well see.
 
2. There is no back seven player that will make a huge difference this year and if there is one he may not be taken in the first round. Look back at the DBs who have come out in the past few years and you will see a lot of busts (Mo Claibourne is a good example, higher rated than any of the guys coming out this year - no impact or negative impact, Mark Barron, decent safety - no impact). Even more you will see that beginning middle and later round picks are becoming much similar in terms of impact. DB is an incredibly hard position in today's NFL if there is any position I want to FA at it is that one and even then it isn't a lock you are getting the right guy (Finnegan sucked last year hard).

Do you disagree that Mack or Barr could not make a huge difference? I will somewhat agree with you on the rest. The secondary players are a crapshoot, they may not be stars out the gate but they still could be solid starters and huge upgrades over what we have. However Mack and Barr have the ability to be playmakers
 
You have to eventually upgrade the secondary. If you keep saying "they won't do much year one" then when do you take one?
 
Do you disagree that Mack or Barr could not make a huge difference? I will somewhat agree with you on the rest. The secondary players are a crapshoot, they may not be stars out the gate but they still could be solid starters and huge upgrades over what we have. However Mack and Barr have the ability to be playmakers

100% agree that drafting 1st round secondary players very well could turn out to be huge upgrades in the long run, there is no denying that (even the short run but based on what I have read and my own limited analysis the back 7 players in this draft will likely experience some growing pains). I think we need to draft day one impact players and I see Watkins, a few OTs and a few DEs fitting that bill. If you want to go safe upgrade Reiff who was actually worst than the eye test (I thought he was pretty good) as per PFF (I can dig up the link but I'm too tired).

Barr and Ealy to me are really close to the point that it is a coin flip. Both play well and will test well, one of those two will be a stud maybe both, I'm not an NFL scout so I can't say who (and even they get it wrong more than half the time).

Mack is an interesting prospect either he is Freeney and LT or Aaron Curry. To me he isn't a safe pick at all (and this is coming from a guy who thought Ziggy was the safest pick in the draft so that should tell you something).

Mitch your question on when to draft a CB:

I think you have to roll with FA and later round picks unless a guy blows you out of the water or we start picking in the 16-32 range. At 10 I don't think this is the year.
 
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Mack is an interesting prospect either he is Freeney and LT or Aaron Curry. To me he isn't a safe pick at all (and this is coming from a guy who thought Ziggy was the safest pick in the draft so that should tell you something).

Curious why you feel that way about Mack. If it`s because he is a MAC player, while I will admit I only have seen maybe two of his games in his whole career. I did watch him play Ohio State this year and he was a beast, dominated and made plays the entire game.
 
100% agree that drafting 1st round secondary players very well could turn out to be huge upgrades in the long run, there is no denying that (even the short run but based on what I have read and my own limited analysis the back 7 players in this draft will likely experience some growing pains). I think we need to draft day one impact players and I see Watkins, a few OTs and a few DEs fitting that bill. If you want to go safe upgrade Reiff who was actually worst than the eye test (I thought he was pretty good) as per PFF (I can dig up the link but I'm too tired).

Barr and Ealy to me are really close to the point that it is a coin flip. Both play well and will test well, one of those two will be a stud maybe both, I'm not an NFL scout so I can't say who (and even they get it wrong more than half the time).

Mack is an interesting prospect either he is Freeney and LT or Aaron Curry. To me he isn't a safe pick at all (and this is coming from a guy who thought Ziggy was the safest pick in the draft so that should tell you something).

Mitch your question on when to draft a CB:

I think you have to roll with FA and later round picks unless a guy blows you out of the water or we start picking in the 16-32 range. At 10 I don't think this is the year.

I honestly don't know much about any of the CB's. It was a just a what if kind of thing..so if there isn't one worthy that's cool. As far as free agency, we haven't had much luck with grabbing a good CB.
 
Curious why you feel that way about Mack. If it`s because he is a MAC player, while I will admit I only have seen maybe two of his games in his whole career. I did watch him play Ohio State this year and he was a beast, dominated and made plays the entire game.

See if this changes your mind. That dude made so much off the OSU game he should by that OT a Rolex. His moves to me don't translate to the NFL, your not going to swim move Matt Kalil and if you take the inside move and break contain mobile quarterbacks will make you pay. The MAC thing has nothing to do with it either BYU isn't a powerhouse and doesn't play a tough schedule and I was banging the drum for Ziggy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTPtgf0s4ew
 
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Anthony Barr vs. Khalil Mack Is Most Underrated Storyline of 2014 NFL Draft

By
Scott Polacek , Featured Columnist
Feb 16, 2014


The primary headline heading into almost any NFL draft is where the top-rated quarterbacks will fall.

The 2014 version will be no different, with playmakers Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles and Derek Carr all expected to go early in the first round. Considering the desperate need for effective signal callers at locations like Houston, Jacksonville and Cleveland, the 2014 NFL draft sets up to be all about the quarterbacks.

However, there is one storyline that deserves more recognition—the race to be the top linebacker taken.

That designation will likely come down to either Khalil Mack of Buffalo or Anthony Barr at UCLA, who are arguably the best defenders in the draft this side of Jadeveon Clowney.

There is very little to distinguish between the two superstars. In fact, they are even both listed at virtually the same size (6’3” and 248 pounds for Mack and 6’4” and 248 pounds for Barr).

Let’s dig into the accolades of each a bit more.


Khalil Mack, Buffalo



MAC linebackers don’t usually become household names during the college football season, but it was hard to ignore a player of Mack’s caliber.

The Buffalo star wreaked havoc on opponents all season and finished with 100 total tackles, 10.5 sacks and three interceptions. He was perhaps at his best in the season opener in Columbus against the mighty Ohio State Buckeyes, where he tallied nine tackles, 2.5 sacks and an interception.



To make matters even better, he ran that pick back to the house for a touchdown.

Ohio State coach Urban Meyer was certainly impressed, as he expressed in comments at a postgame press conference that were passed along by Doug Lesmerises of Cleveland.com:


The player they had, his stock in the draft just went up a little bit after playing against us. He did a very good job. He manhandled some guys and did a good job. But give credit where credit is due. The biggest issue is a fantastic football player. I mean, he could play anywhere at any school in America, that kid for Buffalo.

Mack has that coveted combination of size and speed that gives him the versatility to play in either a 4-3 or a 3-4 defensive set. He can even play defensive end if needed and is capable of covering tight ends in the passing game.



Anthony Barr, UCLA

While Mack’s numbers were absolutely astounding this season, Barr wasn’t far behind.

The UCLA defender tallied 66 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, six forced fumbles and 10 sacks. He saved his best performances for the biggest moments with two sacks against Oregon and two sacks against rival USC.

The best part about Barr’s game is his pass-rushing prowess. Much like Mack, he has that size and speed combination that allows him to either bully his way through the line or rush around the end.

Eric Edholm of Yahoo! Sports projected Mack as the No. 8 pick to the Minnesota Vikings, one spot ahead of Barr, and discussed the comparison between the two linebackers:


The feeling seems to be that Mack, more so than UCLA's Anthony Barr (another outstanding prospect), can take over games. And that's exactly the kind of edge player that new head coach Mike Zimmer will realize he needs. Yes, finding a quarterback is vital. And perhaps they'll feel the need to reach for Fresno State's Derek Carr here. But short of that, and assuming they did not learn their lesson with Christian Ponder a few years ago, landing Mack here might be the smartest thing they can do with an aging Jared Allen and Kevin Williams nearing the end.

While there is certainly some merit to the claim that Mack can take over games, Barr’s production came in a Pac-12 conference that was loaded with elite quarterbacking talent. That deserves some recognition as well and could certainly help at the next level.


Today’s NFL is built around high-octane offenses.

Rule changes have made it nearly impossible to stop wide receivers in one-on-one settings, which places even more premium on rushing the passer. While the rest of the NFL world focuses on which quarterbacks get taken where, don’t overlook the potential stars from UCLA and Buffalo.

Both Barr and Mack have NFL size and will contribute right away at the next level. They have the speed to cover tight ends or even keep up with running backs on screen passes and the strength to fill the hole and stop the run.

Both will thrive at the NFL level behind their game-changing talents.

If nothing else, those quarterbacks selected ahead of Mack and Barr better not overlook these linebackers on game day.
 
http://bleacherreport.com/users/1093730-scott-polacek

Take the above with a grain of salt, its written by some twig boy from bleacher report with absolutely no analysis of their skill sets beyond their stats - if that was the case Michael Sam would be a first rounder. I know some seasoned draft analysts like Mack but I see him in the 15-20 range with Mayock going "I don't know why this kid is falling, maybe because he's from the MAC, he's the highest rated guy on my board." Which is where I usually start thinking about Big Mike Williams.

Just as an aside the writer of that fluff piece looks like the CPS guy from King of the Hill:

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http://bleacherreport.com/users/1093730-scott-polacek

Take the above with a grain of salt, its written by some twig boy from bleacher report with absolutely no analysis of their skill sets beyond their stats - if that was the case Michael Sam would be a first rounder. I know some seasoned draft analysts like Mack but I see him in the 15-20 range with Mayock going "I don't know why this kid is falling, maybe because he's from the MAC, he's the highest rated guy on my board." Which is where I usually start thinking out Big Mike Williams.

Just as an aside the writer of that fluff piece looks like the CPS guy from King of the Hill:

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ScreenHunter_08_Dec._18_19.21.jpg

ya I haven't been a big fan of mack either. I actually kind of wish mack and barr were rolled into one lol. I see barr as having a better chance of being a 4-3 DE and being able to put on size. I see Mack as more athletic and explosive on the edge. I guess if you want both you draft clowney lol.
 
ya I haven't been a big fan of mack either. I actually kind of wish mack and barr were rolled into one lol. I see barr as having a better chance of being a 4-3 DE and being able to put on size. I see Mack as more athletic and explosive on the edge. I guess if you want both you draft clowney lol.

Well I can't say I am some great evaluator of talent so maybe Mack is the stud he's made out to be. I would trade up to draft Clowney in a heartbeat if you want to talk day one impact that's the guy.
 
Well I can't say I am some great evaluator of talent so maybe Mack is the stud he's made out to be. I would trade up to draft Clowney in a heartbeat if you want to talk day one impact that's the guy.

Not sure if you were serious or not, but trading up to draft Clowney would be a bad move for the Lions in my opinion. Obviously, our D-line would potentially be amazing with Clowney, Suh, Fairley, and Ansah. But we'd have to give up at least a 2nd round pick to get him. And we have more important needs like WR and the secondary that we need to fill.

Based on the draft value chart, in the best case scenario where Clowney falls to Oakland at #5, we'd still have to give up a 2nd round pick to trade up to #5. I don't think we can get starters at safety, WRs 2 and 3, TE, and add depth with only picks in rounds 3-7 and free agency with the salary cap restrictions, even if the salary cap is $130 million, like they're projecting it to be now.
 
Not sure if you were serious or not, but trading up to draft Clowney would be a bad move for the Lions in my opinion. Obviously, our D-line would potentially be amazing with Clowney, Suh, Fairley, and Ansah. But we'd have to give up at least a 2nd round pick to get him. And we have more important needs like WR and the secondary that we need to fill.

Based on the draft value chart, in the best case scenario where Clowney falls to Oakland at #5, we'd still have to give up a 2nd round pick to trade up to #5. I don't think we can get starters at safety, WRs 2 and 3, TE, and add depth with only picks in rounds 3-7 and free agency with the salary cap restrictions, even if the salary cap is $130 million, like they're projecting it to be now.

I wasn't serious but if he fell to five, if I was Mayhew I would toss that 2 in a 4.5 seconds (Clowney's 40 this weekend) to get him. I think the Raiders would want more than that because they would want to take him themselves. Clowney gets taken at #1 with Houston anyways.
 
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