2016 Draft- Who ya got?

[brewer229]

Though yesterdays game is an anomaly....look at the GB vs. Denver game. Rodgers with 77 yds?? 77!!!!! Aaron Rodgers!!!

He had NO time. None. He had open guys.....but couldn't get them the ball. Build oline first......much more of a sure thing. Lynch is far....FAR.....from a sure thing.

Did he have open guys? I didn't see very many on the few shots they showed of the whole field. The secondary seemed glued to the WRs. Rodgers did a decent job extending plays at times and still nobody got open. In fairness I didn't watch the complete game.

 

[tomdalton22]

Did he have open guys? I didn't see very many on the few shots they showed of the whole field. The secondary seemed glued to the WRs. Rodgers did a decent job extending plays at times and still nobody got open. In fairness I didn't watch the complete game.

I watched a lot of the game...the thing that I noticed was how long the Denver DBs could cover the WRs. They have 3 stud CBs. Slay would be the #4 on that team!

 

[brewer229]

And if he struggles mightily? We wasted another year or three in denile, thinking it was mostly Stafford.

At least we have an extra 15 million to spend on other parts of the team. His QB rating this year is right at his career rating. This is what Stafford is. A below average QB. It's always an excuse. When oline plays well it's weapons, when run game is fine it's oline, when everything is fine it's weather.

The second interception is telling. Guy has all day to throw, has a clean lane, and a throw to the middle of the field. Really couldn't be any easier and he makes a bad throw that is tipped and picked off.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Did he have open guys? I didn't see very many on the few shots they showed of the whole field. The secondary seemed glued to the WRs. Rodgers did a decent job extending plays at times and still nobody got open. In fairness I didn't watch the complete game.

He did......not many....but he missed a few throws. One to Cobb specifically I remember where he airmailed it and Cobb had NOBODY around him and one guy between him and the end zone.

My point is......Rodgers was awful because he was under immense pressure all game.

Start with the O-line.....IMO.

 

[LKP]

The problem is Stafford has to be almost perfect for us to win in 2012, 2013 and 2015. Any tipped ball or miracle defensive catch is ALWAYS made against us. The high attempts allows more opportunities for this. He didn't have to be perfect in 2014 and we won. He was perfect in 2011 and we won 10 (he had run game and healthy weapons and protection).

His run game and protection and defense sucks most of his time here. It's just too much and QB rating is a team rating.

Detroit had only 23 and 20 turnovers the years we won double digit games. 34 (16 fumbles), 34 (15 fumbles) and now 20 (8 fumbles) in 8 games the years we suck. I don't know if any QB could protect the ball on this team asked to do this much. And the fumbles lost is half the problem too.

 

[kdp1980]

Draft a qb, and let him struggle because we can't get the run game going (oline), and because the qb is facing a ton of pressure (oline). Sounds like a winning recipe. Yep, draft a qb

 

[dubbsco]

Did a little research, Green Bay's line is ranked near the bottom in the NFL. Even though last night was a strange one, Rodgers is having another career year behind them.

I'm not saying you don't need a good o-line because you do, but I think great QBs can mask those deficiencies with smart play calling, audibles, quick releases, etc. Our guy holds onto the ball forever, can't move in the pocket, seems to almost run INTO the blitz.

If Lynch can be a franchise-QB, draft him. You can find your lineman later on down the draft. The team has also drafted plenty of O-lineman in the last few drafts, Reiff, Swanson, Tomlinson. They have yet to take ANY type of QB to push Stafford.

 

[brewer229]

Draft a qb, and let him struggle because we can't get the run game going (oline), and because the qb is facing a ton of pressure (oline). Sounds like a winning recipe. Yep, draft a qb

Top 5 rushing teams (based on YPC) is a grand total of 2 games below .500

Patriots won a game getting 1 yard rushing from their RBs. Lions averaged 5.8 YPC yesterday.

This league is not hard to figure out. You need one of the following to be successful:

1) Elite QB or
2) Elite run game and Elite defense and average QB play.

 

[brewer229]

Did a little research, Green Bay's line is ranked near the bottom in the NFL. Even though last night was a strange one, Rodgers is having another career year behind them.

I'm not saying you don't need a good o-line because you do, but I think great QBs can mask those deficiencies with smart play calling, audibles, quick releases, etc. Our guy holds onto the ball forever, can't move in the pocket, seems to almost run INTO the blitz.

If Lynch can be a franchise-QB, draft him. You can find your lineman later on down the draft. The team has also drafted plenty of O-lineman in the last few drafts, Reiff, Swanson, Tomlinson.

Also missing #1 WR and #3 WR. Also not getting a whole lot more from his running game. If you look at what Rodgers gets in support in terms of YPC compared to what Stafford gets, it's comes out to less then 10 yards per game (normalizing to lions attempts per game). I'm highly doubting the difference between Stafford and Rodgers is 10 yards a game.

 

[LKP]

Rodgers is pressured 10 % less. check on the yac of his receivers. Check on the drives lost due to fumbles (8 for Detroit). And Rodgers does have better run support with more rushing attempts. And Rodgers had better D support. GB didn't score alot against San Fran or chargers either. But the D held and got some scores of their own.

 

[tbone413]

I guess I am just afraid of 'missing' on a QB again, as I have zero faith in this staff to make a correct draft pick. That, and I don't necessarily think there are any sure fire QB prospects out there.

Granted, a new front office and new GM could help ease those concerns, but even then, its DAMN hard to predict QB success...the best people in the world (NFL GM's) have roughly a 50% success rate in picking QBs it seems.

The Lions under Mayhew have gone for the Home run hit on damn near all of their picks (Classic BPA mentality). They may 'hit' on one occasionally, and draft a stud, but they 'miss' more often than not. Id rather be a team that drafts safe for a few years (if thats even possible), in order to avoid the big busts. If we can draft 'B' level talent 6 out of 7 rounds, Id take that All day over the 1 A+, 1B, and 4-5 D-F's that the last drafts have been producing.

Dont know if that makes sense or not...lol, but those are my feelings

 

[Mitchrapp]

Take a LT. Move Reiff to RT. Get a new C. It won't make Matt any better, because he sucks, but maybe it'll make the next QB better. Maybe we'll become a running team.

I still remember 2013, when the OL rated very well, and Matt wasn't any better than he is now. It's time to blame the biggest culprit. Denver, Peyton has gotten hit more I've ever seen. Their OL blows, he's 39 with a fucked up neck. 7-0 and he had a good game against GB, near 100 rating.

 

[inkfreq]

Until we have someone new evaluating the talent, does it matter who we pick?

We just spent a 1st rounder on Reiff. We just spent a third rounder on Swanson. We just spent a 1st rounder on Thomlinson. And here we are talking about our highest priority is O-line.

If that is really our top need, then our talent evaluation is dog shit, and I wouldn't trust these guys to decide on what to pick for dinner.

However, I am not in any way convinced that we need to draft O-line, and I will explain why. Warford. Our best linemen. A guy people talk about as being among the best guards in the game. And he's playing like shit. He's not containing any better than anyone else.

To me that screams system, and coaching. When good players play badly, it could be a lot of things. But when good players play badly on a unit playing badly, the common denominator is either coaching, or the system as a whole.

I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think they can play... but not for the jackasses coaching them.

 

[dubbsco]

What's if they picked something you really like for dinner?

 

[mhughes0021]

LT makes the most sense. If we end up with #1 overall I wouldn't mind seeing Lynch drafted. If we slide to 5-10 im shooting for Treadwell or Nkemdiche. Lynch highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdm3TayuSUo

 

[mhughes0021]

Until we have someone new evaluating the talent, does it matter who we pick?

We just spent a 1st rounder on Reiff. We just spent a third rounder on Swanson. We just spent a 1st rounder on Thomlinson. And here we are talking about our highest priority is O-line.

If that is really our top need, then our talent evaluation is dog shit, and I wouldn't trust these guys to decide on what to pick for dinner.

However, I am not in any way convinced that we need to draft O-line, and I will explain why. Warford. Our best linemen. A guy people talk about as being among the best guards in the game. And he's playing like shit. He's not containing any better than anyone else.

To me that screams system, and coaching. When good players play badly, it could be a lot of things. But when good players play badly on a unit playing badly, the common denominator is either coaching, or the system as a whole.

I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think they can play... but not for the jackasses coaching them.

agreed system and coaching is more of the issue...ive never seen an oline this confused before. That being said RT is one of the biggest weaknesses we have on the team and picking a LT and moving Reiff to RT will upgrade 2 positions. It really is the highest value pick we can draft. That said...we'll draft a LT in the top 10 then play him at FB for a year making this all moot.

 

[Mitchrapp]

LT makes the most sense. If we end up with #1 overall I wouldn't mind seeing Lynch drafted. If we slide to 5-10 im shooting for Treadwell or Nkemdiche. Lynch highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdm3TayuSUo

Did you send this to Mayhew? That's right, I'm pretty sure he stays.

 

[Mitchrapp]

With that being said, 0% chance we take a QB early. Might not take one late.

 

[sggatecl]

With that being said, 0% chance we take a QB early. Might not take one late.

Since taking one is the wrong thing to do, I'd say it's very much in play.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Since taking one is the wrong thing to do, I'd say it's very much in play.

The way I look at it.. Will a LT help us win. Will a QB help us win. The answer is no to both so we'll draft a RB.

:nod: