2B trade options?

[Rebbiv]

2012

Raburn + 3.0 UZR/150

Hudson - 3.5 UZR/150


Now, Worth and Santiago are better defensively than Hudson at 2B and hitting just about the same as Hudson.

Hudson offers no skillset that this team does not already have.

 

[jdeb]

Well if the Blue Jays and Reds are out of it, Kelly Johnson or Brandon Phillips might be a good fit for us. Scutaro could draw the Tigers interest as well and probably makes the most sense.

 

[Rebbiv]

Well if the Blue Jays and Reds are out of it, Kelly Johnson or Brandon Phillips might be a good fit for us. Scutaro could draw the Tigers interest as well and probably makes the most sense.

Brandon Phillips is overrated and not worth his cost (signed through 2017, $60 Mil in next 5 years).

2012 Away

Johnson (30) .851 OPS

Phillips (31) .664 OPS

Scutaro (36) .587 OPS

Raburn (31) .535 OPS

Hudson (34) .428 OPS


Last 3 years Away

Raburn .821 OPS

Scutaro .773 OPS

Phillips .739 OPS

Johnson .738 OPS

Hudson .713 OPS

I think most of us wants (ed) Kelly Johnson. And there would be our #2 hitter.

 

[tomdalton22]

Any SS out there? I'm sure that Jhonny could play 2B if there were a SS to be had.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

2012

Raburn + 3.0 UZR/150

Hudson - 3.5 UZR/150


Now, Worth and Santiago are better defensively than Hudson at 2B and hitting just about the same as Hudson.

Hudson offers no skillset that this team does not already have.

What do you think of Murphy, Altuve or Barney, Rebbiv?

 

[tonyballs]

I think they should go after Daniel Murphy from the Mets. All he does is hit. I bet he would come fairly cheap

 

[biggunsbob]

2012

Raburn + 3.0 UZR/150

Hudson - 3.5 UZR/150


Now, Worth and Santiago are better defensively than Hudson at 2B and hitting just about the same as Hudson.

Hudson offers no skillset that this team does not already have.

Might as well keep waiting for the debacle that is Raburn to click at second base. We all know the errors are coming... In just 8 more plate appearances then RR he has 10 more hits including 5 triples... None of our second basemen could out run this 34 year old dude..I am guessing in all of the close games we have had those triples may have helped. But he is going to sign with the White Sox and we continue to have a black hole at second base.. We don't have any options at second base right now.. Trying a league minimum guy may have helped.. Who knows maybe he gets a second wind and gets hot... Oh wait we have Raburn who eventual got his average up to .256 last year..I can hardly wait for his great hitting to show up...

 

[Rebbiv]

What do you think of Murphy, Altuve or Barney, Rebbiv?

I drafted Altuve in our Fantasy League if that tells you anything. We do not have enough in trade to get him. Plain and simple.

Barney has no walk skills and is below average offensively for a 2B.

Murphy may hit, but he is another that rarely walks.

This team does not need someone "different", but also lacks plate discipline (i.e. drawing walks).

 

[Rebbiv]

Might as well keep waiting for the debacle that is Raburn to click at second base. We all know the errors are coming... In just 8 more plate appearances then RR he has 10 more hits including 5 triples... None of our second basemen could out run this 34 year old dude..I am guessing in all of the close games we have had those triples may have helped. But he is going to sign with the White Sox and we continue to have a black hole at second base.. We don't have any options at second base right now.. Trying a league minimum guy may have helped.. Who knows maybe he gets a second wind and gets hot... Oh wait we have Raburn who eventual got his average up to .256 last year..I can hardly wait for his great hitting to show up...

0 Doubles

5 Triples (all at PetCo, all as LHB vs RHP)


Raburn

5 Doubles

0 Triples


I am not making excuses for Raburn. Just that any other option aside from within is pretty much making a change just to make a change.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I drafted Altuve in our Fantasy League if that tells you anything. We do not have enough in trade to get him. Plain and simple.

Barney has no walk skills and is below average offensively for a 2B.

Murphy may hit, but he is another that rarely walks.

This team does not need someone "different", but also lacks plate discipline (i.e. drawing walks).

You really think it would take that much to get Altuve? Everything I read on him said his size was such an issue that most had zero interest in him as an everyday player, and I haven't seen anywhere where he was a highly ranked prospect before now. He's even smaller than David Eckstein was by a 2 inches and about 15lbs, and that's gonna continue to scare people off, IMHO.

 

[biggunsbob]

0 Doubles

5 Triples (all at PetCo, all as LHB vs RHP)


Raburn

5 Doubles

0 Triples


I am not making excuses for Raburn. Just that any other option aside from within is pretty much making a change just to make a change.

And i am not saying the Hudson is the answer... Because he is not but i would like our organization to appear to be at least be trying to solve the 2nd base problem. Hudson is faster then any of our 2nd basemen right now.. Right there solves the pinch runner debacle when he does not play. He is a switch hitter.. He will cost the league minimum and we can stiff the white Sox... Heck we are in third place I thought we had dibs over the Sox's or can Hudson sign with anyone. I surly hope Raburn heats up but i am not enamored with his second half's and his overall numbers are coming down every year the last 3.. His errors will come... Heck he has had only 2 and I remember one a three run homer was hit right after it.. I just want us to move on from Raburn.. Enough is Enough...

 

[biggunsbob]

0 Doubles

5 Triples (all at PetCo, all as LHB vs RHP)


Raburn

5 Doubles

0 Triples


I am not making excuses for Raburn. Just that any other option aside from within is pretty much making a change just to make a change.

And i am not saying the Hudson is the answer... Because he is not but i would like our organization to appear to be at least be trying to solve the 2nd base problem. Hudson is faster then any of our 2nd basemen right now.. Right there solves the pinch runner debacle when he does not play. He is a switch hitter.. He will cost the league minimum and we can stiff the white Sox... Heck we are in third place I thought we had dibs over the Sox's or can Hudson sign with anyone. I surly hope Raburn heats up but i am not enamored with his second half's and his overall numbers are coming down every year the last 3.. His errors will come... Heck he has had only 2 and I remember one a three run homer was hit right after it.. I just want us to move on from Raburn.. Enough is Enough...

Hudson has 11 Rbi's to Raburns 6 and he has 3 stolen bases to 1. Both are K'ing at the same pace 29/8 for RR and 27/8 for OH..... Damn we have to try something...

 

[Thumb]

I still think you're missing the point that it would be a waste to make a roster move to get a guy who's not an upgrade.

Is Raburn going to make errors? yes, but so is any second baseman, and you keep bringing up the 3 run HR, but Raburn did not let the other guy on base, nor did he groove a pitch that was hit out. Not to mention he was 1 of 4 INF's that day to give up an error leading to an unearned run, but lets blame just him because he's Raburn.

Raburn has been good at 2nd, fielding wise, though you won't give him that credit because you keep insisting how bad he'll be eventually, yet you discount the fact he hits well in the second half, so whatever.

Nobody is making excuses for how he's hitting, but when you're calling for a .211 guy as a replacement, you have to step back a minute and think about that one.

We're more than likely going to make a trade at some point for a 2Bman, boy would it have sucked if we didn't make any trades because we went out and signed a crummy old guy hitting .211 instead. White Sox can have him. Gladly.

 

[biggunsbob]

I still think you're missing the point that it would be a waste to make a roster move to get a guy who's not an upgrade.

Is Raburn going to make errors? yes, but so is any second baseman, and you keep bringing up the 3 run HR, but Raburn did not let the other guy on base, nor did he groove a pitch that was hit out. Not to mention he was 1 of 4 INF's that day to give up an error leading to an unearned run, but lets blame just him because he's Raburn.

Raburn has been good at 2nd, fielding wise, though you won't give him that credit because you keep insisting how bad he'll be eventually, yet you discount the fact he hits well in the second half, so whatever.

Nobody is making excuses for how he's hitting, but when you're calling for a .211 guy as a replacement, you have to step back a minute and think about that one.



We're more than likely going to make a trade at some point for a 2Bman, boy would it have sucked if we didn't make any trades because we went out and signed a crummy old guy hitting .211 instead. White Sox can have him. Gladly.

Not true MT... I have been saying a lot in threads that his fielding has improved this year.. Good to see be we are not all holding our breath... Hopefully it will stay the same but as everyone seems to bring up how great he hits in the second half those same bad numbers can apply to his career fielding at second base... That 3 run homer hurt because the inning would have been over.. I just would like to see the Tigers be proactive at second base and just about every thread i said Hudson was not a long term solution. But then neither is Ryan... I don't get it... He has a move left so the team won't lose him why not send him down and see if the Bull can fix him like he did in 2010.. I never discount how he hits in the second half but i think it is overblown... Last year he got his average up to a whopping .256... From July 15th after the All-star game he played mostly verses LHP for just about a month+ in a row. I broke down just about every game and stopped in the middle of August because all the Second Half Raburn people refused to look at those numbers.. I think Ryan is nothing more the a platoon player..If he would play verses LHP it would be a good thing.. His overall numbers have gone down every year since 2009.
These overall numbers .260/.315/.438 /.753 are just nothing to get excited about and again I just wish the Tigers would try something.. Hudson probably is not the answer but at least it would be something...This team really needs a jolt...

 

[Mitchrapp]

"I still think you're missing the point that it would be a waste to make a roster move to get a guy who's not an upgrade." -- Dude, they guys hitting .144. How could anyone not be an upgrade?

 

[Thumb]

"I still think you're missing the point that it would be a waste to make a roster move to get a guy who's not an upgrade." -- Dude, they guys hitting .144. How could anyone not be an upgrade?

Because they simply are not going to cut him (Raburn) Mitch.

So that means you have to DFA or outright someone from the 40 man roster to make a spot to sign him, then make room on the 25 man roster to place him on the team.

Yes, Raburn's hitting is terrible, but you don't make that kind of a move for so little gain, and overall .211 is almost a negligible gain over what Raburn is hitting.

I'm all for getting a better second baseman, but it has to be someone worth it, take out Ryan and put Orlando in his spot and Hudson will be the worst hitter and the one killing rally's and getting booed.

 

[lonesometiger]

Making room on the 25 man roster is not a real big problem as I do believe Raburn has one option left. But it's the 40 man roster that does have issues. Even thoe there are a few (4) on the DL. It stands around 41 with everyone back, so someone would wind up exsposed. However with those on the DL the Tigers could put someone on the roster for a while and see how they work out. But should they fit/workout then push would come to shove at some point!

One small point here Tigers are carring 25 pitchers on the 40 man. Three of then are on the DL,Alburquerque(60); need back,Marte 15 DL, and Schlereth 15DL. So this will change soon,unless someone goes to the 60 day.

All in all Hudson could be made room for,for a short time, to see what he's got.

 

[biggunsbob]

Because they simply are not going to cut him (Raburn) Mitch.

So that means you have to DFA or outright someone from the 40 man roster to make a spot to sign him, then make room on the 25 man roster to place him on the team.

Yes, Raburn's hitting is terrible, but you don't make that kind of a move for so little gain, and overall .211 is almost a negligible gain over what Raburn is hitting.

I'm all for getting a better second baseman, but it has to be someone worth it, take out Ryan and put Orlando in his spot and Hudson will be the worst hitter and the one killing rally's and getting booed.

So what your saying is there is no difference then what we have at second base right now... Might as well give it a shot... The player movement you are talking about is a weak reason not to try something.. Maybe DD will try something else we have a decent prospect in A ball at West Michigan in Eugenio Suarez a switch hitter batting .278/.372 .396/.768. He has some decent speed. But he is a few years away. He has played more games at SS 29 then second base 17... The tigers have to do something at second base..

 

[Thumb]

So what your saying is there is no difference then what we have at second base right now... Might as well give it a shot... The player movement you are talking about is a weak reason not to try something.. Maybe DD will try something else we have a decent prospect in A ball at West Michigan in Eugenio Suarez a switch hitter batting .278/.372 .396/.768. He has some decent speed. But he is a few years away. He has played more games at SS 29 then second base 17... The tigers have to do something at second base..

And trying something just to try it is an even weaker reason. Let's juggle some guys career/future with the team to take a shot in the dark on a guy hitting below the Mendoza line.

 

[biggunsbob]

You can't keep playing a .144 hitter... it really is that cut and dry..