Caldwell's Staff

[mhughes0021]

*sarcasm*

I was actually agreeing with you this time.

lol got it....

 

[LKP]

I know its nit picking, but words are important.

He is, by definition and hisorical data, not what you are saying he is. He is what tom is saying he is 2 or 3 posts up.

I think he can BECOME what you are saying he is, but he isn't that. If he was, his stats would bear that out.

But they don't.

Because he isn't what you are saying he is.

Because the stats prove he isn't.

He made enough plays to be what I said he is. The stats don't bear it out, but watching every play bears it out. The drop rate much higher than the league average bears out his 59.5% and not 62%. The plays Stafford made under normal circumstances(5-6% drop rate) is a 62% QB. And don't get me started on his lack of WR 2 and WR 3. But that will be fixed.

Should Stafford be 65%, yes so there is work to be done (Caldwell/Lombardi). But 62% you should be happy with given his lack of number 2/3 WR. The yards, first downs made, 3rd down %, red zone %, and TDs you should be very very happy with from him.

 

[tomdalton22]

He made enough plays to be what I said he is. The stats don't bear it out, but watching every play bears it out. The drop rate much higher than the league average bears out his 59.5% and not 62%. The plays Stafford made under normal circumstances(5-6% drop rate) is a 62% QB. And don't get me started on his lack of WR 2 and WR 3. But that will be fixed.

Should Stafford be 65%, yes so there is work to be done (Caldwell/Lombardi). But 62% you should be happy with given his lack of number 2/3 WR. The yards, first downs made, 3rd down %, red zone %, and TDs you should be very very happy with from him.

change that comment to what he could be....you can make all the excuses in the world for him but you can't change the FACT that his career completion percentage is 59.5%. That percentage is over 5 seasons of play. He was the #1 overall pick and is supposed to be an elite QB. He should be at least at 65% completion in today's NFL.

 

[LKP]

change that comment to what he could be....you can make all the excuses in the world for him but you can't change the FACT that his career completion percentage is 59.5%. That percentage is over 5 seasons of play. He was the #1 overall pick and is supposed to be an elite QB. He should be at least at 65% completion in today's NFL.

63.5% in 2011 and truly a 62% in 2013.

2012 he had a normal drop rate and earned what he got with lesser play than he had in 2011 and 2013. Plenty of WR2-4 and TE injuries though and only Bell at RB. So that explains that some too.

2009, rookie year on a beyond junk team. Don't care.

 

[mhughes0021]

He made enough plays to be what I said he is. The stats don't bear it out, but watching every play bears it out. The drop rate much higher than the league average bears out his 59.5% and not 62%. The plays Stafford made under normal circumstances(5-6% drop rate) is a 62% QB. And don't get me started on his lack of WR 2 and WR 3. But that will be fixed.

Should Stafford be 65%, yes so there is work to be done (Caldwell/Lombardi). But 62% you should be happy with given his lack of number 2/3 WR. The yards, first downs made, 3rd down %, red zone %, and TDs you should be very very happy with from him.

Weve had a lot of different WRS here during his tenure and the drop rate for his WR corps has always been high. That's a clear sign that its on the passer...not ALL the catchers. We know hes not the most accurate qb in the world, he also throws from several angles, he also has problems with riffling it at guys that run short routes, he also has issues with trajectory. Its more about the qb position as a craft....not as a missile cannon. So while a normal person can see your argument...I think its fair that Stafford plays a major role in why the drop rate is so high.

 

[LKP]

Weve had a lot of different WRS here during his tenure and the drop rate for his WR corps has always been high. That's a clear sign that its on the passer...not ALL the catchers.

It's been around 5-6% in 2010-2012. This year 9.1%. It's on injuries to Burleson and Broyles (both good comp % to them in every other year and this year for Burleson when healthy) and Calvin's broken finger with a higher drop rate than normal this year. Durham blows with separation and drops. And Bush has always been a drop guy. Drops are called drops for a reason. Catchable balls that a receiver drops.

It wasn't Stafford regressing adding the 3-4%. It was a combo of the above.

 

[LKP]

15 fumbles and only 22 turnovers forced. Those are just as crucial as Stafford to get down to 14 picks or less. And it's why on top of being an ass, Schwartz, (a defensive coach) got fired. The players backed Schwartz/Gunther.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's been around 5-6% in 2010-2012. This year 9.1%. It's on injuries to Burleson and Broyles (both good comp % to them in every other year and this year for Burleson when healthy) and Calvin's broken finger with a higher drop rate than normal this year. Durham blows with separation and drops. And Bush has always been a drop guy. Drops are called drops for a reason. Catchable balls that a receiver drops.

It wasn't Stafford regressing adding the 3-4%. It was a combo of the above.

Well id have to look at the passes they are calling drops to give an accurate assessment....and I don't chart them like you....but im not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt either lol. Sooo was the Fauria pass that went off his finger tips and got picked a drop? Cause id think that's a perfect example of being inaccurate which led to a 6'8'' TE having to leap fully extended just so he can get a finger on the ball.

 

[jared]

truly a 62% in 2013

Nope.

Your argument is invalid.

Let me illustrate.

I'm really Calvin Johnson. My job and personal appearance just don't bear it out.

 

[LKP]

Well id have to look at the passes they are calling drops to give an accurate assessment....and I don't chart them like you....but im not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt either lol. Sooo was the Fauria pass that went off his finger tips and got picked a drop? Cause id think that's a perfect example of being inaccurate which led to a 6'8'' TE having to leap fully extended just so he can get a finger on the ball.

Not counted as a drop. But the throw had to be to the outside because a LB was on the inside of Fauria. Not the greatest separation by Fauria on the play. 1 foot too far outside was the throw. You don't give up on a franchise QB who moves the ball and scores because of that though.

Linehan was right in that Stafford was good enough. But you should always be looking for improvement in the NFL. Linehan failed to do that so got fired and replaced by two QB gurus whose job was to get already good QBS in Manning and Brees better every day. Remember that, it's important because that is how the front office feels about Stafford. He's a good QB but needs constant improvement and to be motivated. The Lions offense did a ton of good things with Linehan and Stafford but you should always strive to be better. Caldwell and Lombardi are proven to do that with Manning and Brees. Stafford is a good QB but Linehan was too satisfied. If Stafford has a similar year to 2013 throw wise, he could have better stats next year (depending on drops, fumbles for lost offensive opportunities and defensive turnovers creating more opportunities for him.) But now the Lions front office is trying to not only get Stafford back to the low 60% but give him someone that will make him 65% or better.

 

[LKP]

Nope.

Your argument is invalid.

Let me illustrate.

I'm really Calvin Johnson. My job and personal appearance just don't bear it out.

No let me illustrate. I did my job on a group report. Someone else dropped the ball and the report appeared to suffer(looked like incomplete) even though I did my job.

 

[mhughes0021]

Not counted as a drop. But the throw had to be to the outside because a LB was on the inside of Fauria. Not the greatest separation by Fauria on the play. 1 foot too far outside was the throw. You don't give up on a franchise QB who moves the ball and scores because of that though.

Linehan was right in that Stafford was good enough. But you should always be looking for improvement in the NFL. Linehan failed to do that so got fired and replaced by two QB gurus whose job was to get already good QBS in Manning and Brees better every day. Remember that, it's important because that is how the front office feels about Stafford. He's a good QB but needs constant improvement and to be motivated. The Lions offense did a ton of good things with Linehan and Stafford but you should always strive to be better. Caldwell and Lombardi are proven to do that with Manning and Brees. Stafford is a good QB but Linehan was too satisfied. If Stafford has a similar year to 2013 throw wise, he could have better stats next year (depending on drops, fumbles for lost offensive opportunities and defensive turnovers creating more opportunities for him.) But now the Lions front office is trying to not only get Stafford back to the low 60% but give him someone that will make him 65% or better.

Ok then here comes the bad news. I don't see Mike Evans or Marqise Lee being much of a difference maker for us unless the new offense is just leaps and bounds better than linehans and Stafford "gets it" right away. Obviously I agree we need to drop the ball less lol. But I see Evans as another Durham who isn't going to create much separation and isn't a dynamic playmaker that's going to rack up a ton of YAC. Lee I think can do well in space but is not the outside threat most people on the board are looking for. Soo to me hes a better/healthier version of Broyles....do you take that at 10? SO you said you want 2 #1 WRs....I don't think theres any of those in the draft this year not named Watkins.

 

[LKP]

And the pick 6 intended for Pettigrew. Pettigrew is not very fast. Maybe Stafford though that placement would have led Pettigrew. Instead it was slightly behind Pettigrew. Also there was pressure by McCoy causing the early throw. Maybe he was supposed to chip a bit longer. And why was Pettigrew ducking.


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/11/detroit_lions_second_look_pres.html

 

[LKP]

Ok then here comes the bad news. I don't see Mike Evans or Marqise Lee being much of a difference maker for us unless the new offense is just leaps and bounds better than linehans and Stafford "gets it" right away. Obviously I agree we need to drop the ball less lol. But I see Evans as another Durham who isn't going to create much separation and isn't a dynamic playmaker that's going to rack up a ton of YAC. Lee I think can do well in space but is not the outside threat most people on the board are looking for. Soo to me hes a better/healthier version of Broyles....do you take that at 10?

You think a 1st round prospect is no better than Durham? Wow. We'll see how that bears out. I'd look to free agency too. And I want Burleson back on a 1 million base salary. Stafford has a very good completion % to Burleson.

I want WR/WR for a reason.

 

[mhughes0021]

And the pick 6 intended for Pettigrew. Pettigrew is not very fast. Maybe Stafford though that placement would have led Pettigrew. Instead it was slightly behind Pettigrew. Also there was pressure by McCoy causing the early throw. Maybe he was supposed to chip a bit longer. And why was Pettigrew ducking.


http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/11/detroit_lions_second_look_pres.html

I remember the Pettigrew ducking play....I put that partly on Pettigrew being an idiot....mostly I put it on Stafford not seeing Reggie WIDE open with no one within 30 yards of him in the right flat.

 

[LKP]

And if Mike Evans is more sure handed than Durham and Calvin and Bush cut their drops in half and Burleson plays more than 9 games. Then we are back to 62% easy with the same Stafford performance.

We are talking 22 more completions to do that.

Less fumbles lost, just create more opportunities for Stafford.

And turnovers forced, create an easy life for Stafford. Short fields make QBs look better than they are. I'm looking at Wilson with junk WRs.

 

[LKP]

I remember the Pettigrew ducking play....I put that partly on Pettigrew being an idiot....mostly I put it on Stafford not seeing Reggie WIDE open with no one within 30 yards of him in the right flat.

Again there was pressure. Can't go through progessions with McCoy in your face.

 

[mhughes0021]

You think a 1st round prospect is no better than Durham? Wow. We'll see how that bears out. I'd look to free agency too. And I want Burleson back on a 1 million base salary. Stafford has a very good completion % to Burleson.

I want WR/WR for a reason.

im skeptical of evans being drafted that high is all. If he runs a good time at the combine ill retract my comments lol....but from what ive seen he mostly benefitted from johhny footballs uncanny ability to extend plays....something I think Stafford isn't very good at. But ontop of that no NFL offense is run that way....evans would just go deep. manziel would run around like a crazy person that fire it as far as he can...and evans would out muscle everyone. Show me at the combine he can run refined routes and hes fast...ill change my mind cause hes definitely a physical presence.

 

[LKP]

And if Stafford has 19 picks again, we might not care if he throws 35 TDS(8 less fumbles, more than 22 turnovers lead to more TDs).

 

[LKP]

im skeptical of evans being drafted that high is all. If he runs a good time at the combine ill retract my comments lol....but from what ive seen he mostly benefitted from johhny footballs uncanny ability to extend plays....something I think Stafford isn't very good at. But ontop of that no NFL offense is run that way....evans would just go deep. manziel would run around like a crazy person that fire it as far as he can...and evans would out muscle everyone. Show me at the combine he can run refined routes and hes fast...ill change my mind cause hes definitely a physical presence.

We'll see. If he isn't deserving of being 10th ranked then I don't want him. We'll see if a WR steps up and deserves to be taken 10th. If so, then go WR.

I won't bat an eye if they take a stud LT(Robinson) or CB or Ebron (depending on Pettigrew in March). All those help Stafford too (protection, turnovers forced, TE separation).