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[LKP]

Playing Denver anywhere with Miller/Ware having a great startand Seattle on road is terrible timing for building Oline confidence. Though if they do have a good game they will gain confidence.

The schedule is shitty for a team that wants to build confidence early. Very tough to work out the kinks against the best teams on your schedule in a row.

 

[LKP]

And when he has had time in the past, what has he shown? Two years ago when they had the best O-line in football, he still put up mediocre performances.

Yeah he's a tough kid, but other than throwing for yards, he's statistically very average, can't beat ANYONE worth a lick on the road, and hasn't won anything. He is who he is. A solid, above average QB. Other than a season, hasn't shown he can be consistently great or put others on his shoulders. You know when people talk about how tough he is, and how much talent he has, that's basically admission that he just isn't all that great.

He had good protection but run game lacked in several important games that year. Also weapon problems. If you have time, but nobody gets open (Durham, Pettigrew, Calvin doubled) you are still screwed.

at Philly, Cincy, at Arizona, at Green Bay, at Min we didn't run very well.

And Stafford did have 29 TDs and a good amount of yards. Many of the 19 picks weren't his fault. The problem wasn't moving the ball that year.

And the 2015 Oline should be more talented. Reiff and Waddle. Same tackles only Reiff playing like garbage and Waddle hurt. Warford out one game and played poorly in Week 2 compared to elite 2013 Warford. We'll see if it's injury and rust going forward for Warford. LG Man Ram is an upgrade over Sims based on his pass pro so far. Swanson struggling unlike a good Raiola 2013.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford is 80% and 100 QB rating with time this year.

10/32 under pressure. I don't know if pocket presence could fix that. And really he could be pressured and also nobody could be open on that particular play too.

Every QB gets pressured. But it really helps when the pressure % is about 10-15% lower than what Stafford gets. Plus it would be nice to be able to run the ball.

Everything doesn't need to be perfect for Stafford. But something has to go right between pressure and run game and weapons getting open.

So what you are saying is, only looking at times where Stafford is not pressured he still isn't as good as Philip Rivers is this year regardless if Rivers is facing pressure. Sweet.

 

[kdp1980]

And when he has had time in the past, what has he shown? Two years ago when they had the best O-line in football, he still put up mediocre performances.

Best oline in football? Give me a break. Didn't the RBS catch over 100 passes that year? Having backs that many balls out of the backfield is a great disguise for a weak oline. I believe Stafford was close to tops in the league as far as how quickly he got the ball out of his hand that year as well. Reggie Bush played well, but it was him creating, not the oline creating massive holes for him to run through. Detroit hasn't had a good oline in a very long time

 

[LKP]

So what you are saying is, only looking at times where Stafford is not pressured he still isn't as good as Philip Rivers is this year regardless if Rivers is facing pressure. Sweet.

Stafford is very good when not pressured. 100 QB rating.

Stafford doesn't get much help when pressured.

Run game or protection or weapons getting more open. Something has to happen. Probably a little of all three will happen and this offense will explode.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford is very good when not pressured. 100 QB rating.

Stafford doesn't get much help when pressured.

Run game or protection or weapons getting more open. Something has to happen. Probably a little of all three will happen and this offense will explode.

Guess who else is good when not pressured....EVERY NFL QB.

 

[LKP]

Guess who else is good when not pressured....EVERY NFL QB.

Guess what other QBS have. Run game, open receivers and less pressure %

 

[LKP]

Palmer 67% no pressure, Ryan 74%, Brady 70% no pressure

Big Ben 80%, Rodgers 83%

Luck 72 rating with no pressure. Wilson 84 rating

 

[dubbsco]

The offensive line was ranked in the top 5-10 according to any publication you look through for 2013. And his numbers were average.

 

[LKP]

The offensive line was ranked in the top 5-10 according to any publication you look through for 2013. And his numbers were average.

His numbers were good. His weapons were terrible and % of ints not his fault was high which lowered is QB rating unjustly.

 

[dubbsco]

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

Excuse, justification, excuse. That's been the MO for the past 5 years for this kid. He's tough, tons of talent, etc.

Just doesn't do what is most important. Win.

 

[brewer229]

Just give it up, your Stafford signed rookie card is never going to be worth much money. No sense in lying to try and hype him up.

 

[brewer229]

2014 ranking vs no pressure:

 

[LKP]

Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up.

Excuse, justification, excuse. That's been the MO for the past 5 years for this kid. He's tough, tons of talent, etc.

Just doesn't do what is most important. Win.

11-5 and about to be 11-3 to finish season.

 

[LKP]

2014 ranking vs no pressure:

2015 100 QB rating. Improvement.

Now just get the Oline playing well

 

[kdp1980]

If Stafford not facing pressure was somewhat normal, these numbers might mean something to me

 

[LKP]

Oline can lower % by 10%. That will do wonders.

Run game can help big time too.

More open guys helps.

Stafford is doing his job well.

 

[kdp1980]

I honestly don't see why people are so down on Stafford. The oline, the defense, and coaching are in absolute disarray.

 

[dubbsco]

Because when he does have time, his throws are still not where they need to be. His pick when he threw right into the Vikings defender was pitiful, and the throw to Golden Tate that was 10 yards behind him against SD that was picked off was awful. When he's had time, he still isn't showing the consistency that's needed to win.

Case in point, Green Bay. Collinsworth was commenting during the Seattle game about how the o-line was banged up and Rodgers still remained cool and moved up, down, around the pressure to hit his guys in stride. The league knows Matt Stafford can't handle an ounce of pressure so they blitz the hell out of him. Yeah, the line sucks, but he is not doing anything to help.

 

[LKP]

Because when he does have time, his throws are still not where they need to be. His pick when he threw right into the Vikings defender was pitiful, and the throw to Golden Tate that was 10 yards behind him against SD that was picked off was awful. When he's had time, he still isn't showing the consistency that's needed to win.

Case in point, Green Bay. Collinsworth was commenting during the Seattle game about how the o-line was banged up and Rodgers still remained cool and moved up, down, around the pressure to hit his guys in stride. The league knows Matt Stafford can't handle an ounce of pressure so they blitz the hell out of him. Yeah, the line sucks, but he is not doing anything to help.

Rodgers had run support (Lacy and Starks) and open weapons. Of course he could do well under pressure. Seattle D is lost on the road without Chancellor. Bears D is terrible.

35 under pressure for Stafford. 26 under pressure for Rodgers. 9 throws makes a big difference in two games

19 blitzes out of 89 dropbacks isn't blitz the hell out of someone

Flowers and Verett did a great job Week 1. Vikings did a solid job and knew the Lions couldn't run.

Also Rodgers know the pressure comes from the edge. His interior is sturdy. Rodgers knows where to slide in the pocket because of that. Stafford the pressure comes from everywhere.

Rodgers was only hurried 7 times against the Bears. No hits or sacks. All the pressure came by DEs in Week 2.