Calvin must be out of his mind....right??

[Mitchrapp]

How do you figure the same ypc as pettigrew?

I didn't . Just an educated guess he is a Rookie..

 

[Mitchrapp]

I didn't . Just an educated guess he is a Rookie..

And to go further Jimmy Graham was only 11.5 as a rook, also his 3rd year. And that's with Brees throwing the ball.

 

[tomdalton22]

Different players, coaching and scheme. Not much matters from the past 20 years when assessing this secondary. And they didn't suck last year (average is the correct term)

Mathis/Quin back. Assets
Slay year 2 in a scheme that fits him.
Add Ihedigbo.

First...they were below average. Second, 3 out of the 4 are back and the other is just average. Us saying they will be similar to last year is more accurate than you saying they will be good. We have historical evidence...you are hoping that they will gel and be good.

 

[tomdalton22]

Naw 63-65% will work.

he has only completed over 60% once in his career.

 

[tonyballs]

Whatever the article says is irrelevant to your initial statement on this thread, which revolves around the words that left Calvin's mouth. That is what we are talking about.

Irrelevant my ass. I said exactly what the article said. "Some" pressure is off Calvin now. It should be anyways.

Deny it all you want.

 

[tonyballs]

And he's wrong you moron. No one in their right mind would take a guy off CJ and put them on anyone else we have. As someone said above, Ebron might get a completion on single coverage, CJ might get you a TD.

You're a fn retard. Calvin is wrong now too?? Fn gimp

 

[LKP]

First...they were below average. Second, 3 out of the 4 are back and the other is just average. Us saying they will be similar to last year is more accurate than you saying they will be good. We have historical evidence...you are hoping that they will gel and be good.

They were not below average. Above average in most cateorgies. Some below, yards per game and QB rating. Average. And overall PPG 15th in league.

3 of the 4 are back. Mathis played well, Quin is healthier, Slay is more experienced and Ihedigbo was a good change. Plus new schemes. A better version of each player is back in a scheme that should fit them better.

it's more likely average than good but more likely good than suck.

 

[LKP]

he has only completed over 60% once in his career.

The year he had all his weapons. And we've upgraded compared to 2011. Expect over mid 60% for sure.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony...big picture buddy. We were 3rd in passing offense last year. How the fuck more improved do you actually think were going to get?? We needed to improve in other areas this offseason.....and our brilliant gm decided to improve the 1 thing we were statistically good at last year and neglect everything else except olb and backup center....whippidity doo.

Stay focused. It's not about the center. It's about the garbage surrounding our QB last year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

You're a fn retard. Calvin is wrong now too?? Fn gimp

He has no clue. I remember when big Mike Williams was suppose to be a stud. You have no idea, nor CJ, what he does. Or as far as what defenses do. It makes no sense to single Calvin and double a rook te.

 

[LKP]

Stay focused. It's not about the center. It's about the garbage surrounding our QB last year.

51 targets for Ogletree/Ross/Edwards/Dickerson

86 targets for Durham

Killed Stafford's greatness. Not this year. Those fuckers stay on the bench.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, did anyone actually argue that is why those guys were brought here? I think that goes without saying...

The argument that was interpreted by your thread is that because Calvin is SAYING it, that it will actually happen. That premise is false, because no one knows how any team will gameplan for the Lions. We don't know if Ebron is going to be any good, so assuming teams will stop doubling Calvin is not logical.

The premise isn't false. Players like Ebron and Tate will require doubleteams at times. Not all the time, but some of the time. Players like Durham, Ogletree even Pettigrew didn't. Tate and Ebron should.

 

[Mitchrapp]

51 targets for Ogletree/Ross/Edwards/Dickerson

86 targets for Durham

Killed Stafford's greatness. Not this year. Those fuckers stay on the bench.

You have to add CJ in somewhere..no one has a CJ or even close to a CJ. Yet they don't put up putrid numbers..

 

[Mitchrapp]

The premise isn't false. Players like Ebron and Tate will require doubleteams at times. Not all the time, but some of the time. Players like Durham, Ogletree even Pettigrew didn't. Tate and Ebron should.

Why? Ebron might fall flat on his ass..plus rookie TE aren't stars right away. And Tate might be better than Durham but he's not Stallworth to CJ's Swan.

 

[LKP]

You have to add CJ in somewhere..no one has a CJ or even close to a CJ. Yet they don't put up putrid numbers..

Calvin gets doubled. It hurts the completion percentage. And he had a drop problem last year (broken fingers)

However, Calvin is awesome and can produce massive numbers with less completions. Stafford is still making the plays allowing Calvin to do this. Completions are good throws.

I'd rather have multiple weapons than just a Calvin. Now we have Calvin and multiple weapons. It's the best case scenario finally.

And any QB with multiple weapons like Rodgers (Cobb/Nelson/Jones) and Cutler (Marshall/Jeffrey/Bennett/Forte) had an advantage over Stafford. Not anymore. Finally advantage Stafford.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Calvin gets doubled. It hurts the completion percentage. And he had a drop problem last year (broken fingers)

However, Calvin is awesome and can produce massive numbers with less completions. Stafford is still making the plays allowing Calvin to do this. Completions are good throws.

I'd rather have multiple weapons than just a Calvin. Now we have Calvin and multiple weapons. It's the best case scenario finally.

And any QB with multiple weapons like Rodgers (Cobb/Nelson/Jones) and Cutler (Marshall/Jeffrey/Bennett/Forte) had an advantage over Stafford. Not anymore. Finally advantage Stafford.

You forget one thing..he's Rodgers and Staff is well Staff. That's like comparing Marino to half of a Marino.

 

[LKP]

You forget one thing..he's Rodgers and Staff is well Staff. That's like comparing Marino to half of a Marino.

Stafford is just as talented. Stafford finally gets the multiple weapon advantage too. Big numbers for Stafford this year. Can't wait.

 

[tonyballs]

He has no clue. I remember when big Mike Williams was suppose to be a stud. You have no idea, nor CJ, what he does. Or as far as what defenses do. It makes no sense to single Calvin and double a rook te.

Again......it's not on every play. All he is saying is that you can't just account for him all the time. We have better playmakers now. He has a clue...

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford is just as talented. Stafford finally gets the multiple weapon advantage too. Big numbers for Stafford this year. Can't wait.

please....Stafford is nowhere near on Rodgers' level. Not even close!

 

[LKP]

please....Stafford is nowhere near on Rodgers' level. Not even close!

See 2011. Just as good. Rodgers has been living off multiple weapons. Staffords time to shine.