Calvin must be out of his mind....right??

[LKP]

Ebron is a TE that can split the seams. He's more of a deep threat than a lot of TEs. Something Pettigrew or Fauria are not. Of course you have to account for him.

Calvin and Ebron on the same side should be very dangerous. Safety has to choose wisely.

 

[tonyballs]

And maybe, I hope, Tate and Ebron will produce. But how does that make it easier on Calvin? Calvin makes it easier on everyone else.

And no he has no clue. You have to account for him, all the time, 100%.

It's never easy on Calvin, but he's telling you what he expects. You can't just double CJ on every play. I'll take an AllPro WRs word over you naysayers. Calvin is clueless? Get your fn head examined...

 

[Mitchrapp]

But finally Calvin,Tate,Ebron,Bush/Bell and Pettigrew/Fauria trumps Nelson/Cobb/Adams/Boykin and Lacy and Rick Rodgers/Quarless.

Lions have more weapons. Stafford can outproduce Rodgers this year with health.

Want to put money on it? Stafford had a very good 2011 and Rodgers still smoked him.

 

[dubbsco]

Rodgers has the highest TD/INT ratio in the history of the NFL. Stafford will never match him. It doesn't matter if Stafford has 9000 "weapons" around him. He'll be a good QB when he stops throwing the ball 30 feet over his players, learns how to fix his mechanics, and actually can be a little bit of a threat to run. Until all that stuff happens, he shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Rodgers.

 

[mhughes0021]

heres the problem for you kool aid drinkers.....you think tate and ebron are going to turn our offense into the 2013 Denver broncos.

Heres the reality:

1) Tate will end up being a wash to Burleson. He'll put up Burlesonesque type numbers mainly because Stafford doesn't utilize his 3rd and 4th options that much. Tate has NEVER put up huge numbers so I don't expect huge numbers now that hes here.

2) Ebron will be marginally better statistically than Pettigrew. Yes, ebron is more athletic and can run an entire route tree. Even the LKPs of the world doesn't see that translating in to a huge amount of yardage. He'll be a nice weapon in the red zone. Hopefully that means we are better at finishing drives so the 3rd in the NFL in passing yards actually means something this year other than just a blown akers fg. Again, Stafford doesn't utilize his 3rd and 4th option very much....so unless Lombardi does this miracle make over on Stafford in 1 offseason.....then I just don't see how tate and ebron make much of a difference.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It's never easy on Calvin, but he's telling you what he expects. You can't just double CJ on every play. I'll take an AllPro WRs word over you naysayers. Calvin is clueless? Get your fn head examined...

Who says double cover Calvin all the time? But someone won't leave him to cover a Rookie te.

 

[mhughes0021]

Calvin and Ebron on the same side should be very dangerous. Safety has to choose wisely.

Stafford has to put the ball on the money....after making the correct read....and not tripping over his feet or throwing it sidearm into the LOS.

 

[LKP]

heres the problem for you kool aid drinkers.....you think tate and ebron are going to turn our offense into the 2013 Denver broncos.

Heres the reality:

1) Tate will end up being a wash to Burleson. He'll put up Burlesonesque type numbers mainly because Stafford doesn't utilize his 3rd and 4th options that much. Tate has NEVER put up huge numbers so I don't expect huge numbers now that hes here.

2) Ebron will be marginally better statistically than Pettigrew. Yes, ebron is more athletic and can run an entire route tree. Even the LKPs of the world doesn't see that translating in to a huge amount of yardage. He'll be a nice weapon in the red zone. Hopefully that means we are better at finishing drives so the 3rd in the NFL in passing yards actually means something this year other than just a blown akers fg. Again, Stafford doesn't utilize his 3rd and 4th option very much....so unless Lombardi does this miracle make over on Stafford in 1 offseason.....then I just don't see how tate and ebron make much of a difference.

Burleson was used a ton when healthy. He's only played half the season the past 2 years. Per target he would have had plenty of targets. Had over 100 in 2011. He was productive when he played too. He's not a YAC guy so had low YPC. Based on Burleson target per 9 games played, he would have had 94 targets last season. Burleson was used. Stafford goes through his progression. You are the only dumbasses that doesn't realize this.

And maybe he didn't use 3rd and 4th option becasue Durham and Pettigrew weren't getting opened. If Tate and Ebron get open more, then you use them more. Pretty simple.

 

[LKP]

Stafford has to put the ball on the money....after making the correct read....and not tripping over his feet or throwing it sidearm into the LOS.

He does. And it will be easy with the separation those guys will get.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I should be more clear..ebron might get a double team if Calvin falls down, or if Stafford has his laser eyes pointed at the TE..we know he can't read progressions or if Calvin is on the sideline resting. Maybe that's what Calvin meant in the article.

 

[LKP]

Who says double cover Calvin all the time? But someone won't leave him to cover a Rookie te.

If Ebron is burning a LB, then yes the safety might make that split second decision.

It happens all the time. The division was won on that. Cobb was left alone because a safety covered the TE (Conte) on an underneath route.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If Ebron is burning a LB, then yes the safety might make that split second decision.

It happens all the time. The division was won on that. Cobb was left alone because a safety covered the TE (Conte) on an underneath route.

They didn't have Calvin but double team or not it won't be a guy that's already on Calvin.

 

[mhughes0021]

Burleson was used a ton when healthy. He's only played half the season the past 2 years. Per target he would have had plenty of targets. Had over 100 in 2011. He was productive when he played too. He's not a YAC guy so had low YPC. Based on Burleson target per 9 games played, he would have had 94 targets last season. Burleson was used. Stafford goes through his progression. You are the only dumbasses that doesn't realize this.

And maybe he didn't use 3rd and 4th option becasue Durham and Pettigrew weren't getting opened. If Tate and Ebron get open more, then you use them more. Pretty simple.

maybe they weren't open because we schematically throw the ball in less than 2 seconds per snap?

Like I said...Lombardi has to do a complete make over on Stafford, his mechanics, how he reads a defense, and his progressions.

Then after ALLLLLL of that....we have to hope the make over turns out like kate upton and not like it belongs on the show Botched with some mangled facelift that went array that needs 6 surgeries to fix.

PS....remember that "best passing oline in the NFL" we had last year?.....lets see if they can do that with Stafford holding onto the ball for 3.5 seconds instead of 2.

 

[Mitchrapp]

maybe they weren't open because we schematically throw the ball in less than 2 seconds per snap?

Like I said...Lombardi has to do a complete make over on Stafford, his mechanics, how he reads a defense, and his progressions.

Then after ALLLLLL of that....we have to hope the make over turns out like kate upton and not like it belongs on the show Botched with some mangled facelift that went array that needs 6 surgeries to fix.

PS....remember that "best passing oline in the NFL" we had last year?.....lets see if they can do that with Stafford holding onto the ball for 3.5 seconds instead of 2.

Exactly.

 

[LKP]

They didn't have Calvin but double team or not it won't be a guy that's already on Calvin.

We'll see. They let Cobb go, who is good. And that was uncovered not even single covered.

There will be a lot of pressure on opposing safeties this year to make the right choice. Revis, Peterson, Tillman could be left on one with Calvin. Shields was on Thanksgiving on that one pick in the endzone. Singles happen. If Calvin looks like he is covered one on one and Ebron looks like he is burning his guy, I could see a safety choosing to cover Ebron.

 

[tomdalton22]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9638/greg-jennings

Jennings was a beast in his prime. 2008-2010. And you seriously are averaging stuff. Jennings got hurt in 2011 and 2012. Go by game, not by season.

Nelson is an increbile weapon. Cobb for the 2012 season huge and half of 2013. Still better than Burleson by far. And both Cobb and Burleson played half the year.

Jones is a very solid player. He's more like Burleson stat wise but Burleson was the 2, Jones was the 3 in Green Bay. Weapon central. And Jones is 30 by the way. That explains his contract. Jennings got paid.

Finley when healthy was good for 650-700 yards. That is a good TE. 12 YPC or more. Had two 14 YPC seasons. Pettigrew is 10 YPC guy.

Stafford had one year with multiple weapons. 2011. And he produced like Rodgers. And Burleson as a 2 and rookie Young really weren't even that good. Finley>Pettigrew. Having Jennings and Nelson and Cobb>Calvin.

Jennings 4.5 catches and 66 yards a game. That is not a beast. Jones is 30 so it explains his contract...Jennings was 29 when he got his deal.

Nelson is a good WR and Cobb is as well but none of them are CJ and Rodgers makes everyone better....Stafford is to inaccurate to help his WRs.

You will lose any time you try to compare Rodgers to Stafford. Rodgers is an elite QB and so far in his career Stafford has just been average.

 

[LKP]

maybe they weren't open because we schematically throw the ball in less than 2 seconds per snap?

Like I said...Lombardi has to do a complete make over on Stafford, his mechanics, how he reads a defense, and his progressions.

Then after ALLLLLL of that....we have to hope the make over turns out like kate upton and not like it belongs on the show Botched with some mangled facelift that went array that needs 6 surgeries to fix.

PS....remember that "best passing oline in the NFL" we had last year?.....lets see if they can do that with Stafford holding onto the ball for 3.5 seconds instead of 2.

He doesn't need a complete redo. Lombardi even said that himself after watching the tape. Stafford makes plenty of good decisions and does go through progressions. He quickly goes through progressions and gets the ball out quickly. He's a good cerebral QB.

And this Oline can pass pro. Waddle/Warford year 2, Sims healthy, Reiff 2nd year starting. Stone wall Oline again.

 

[LKP]

Jennings 4.5 catches and 66 yards a game. That is not a beast. Jones is 30 so it explains his contract...Jennings was 29 when he got his deal.

Nelson is a good WR and Cobb is as well but none of them are CJ and Rodgers makes everyone better....Stafford is to inaccurate to help his WRs.

You will lose any time you try to compare Rodgers to Stafford. Rodgers is an elite QB and so far in his career Stafford has just been average.

That's 1,000 yards. And during 2008-2010 much more than that. Dealt with injureis in 2011/2012.

Jennings was a number 1. Jones was not. And Jennings was younger.

Stafford finally has the firepower to outshine Rodgers. Can't wait.

 

[mhughes0021]

He doesn't need a complete redo. Lombardi even said that himself after watching the tape. Stafford makes plenty of good decisions and does go through progressions. He quickly goes through progressions and gets the ball out quickly. He's a good cerebral QB.

And this Oline can pass pro. Waddle/Warford year 2, Sims healthy, Reiff 2nd year starting. Stone wall Oline again.

Stafford indecisiveness in a new offense with new weapons leads to holding onto the ball longer. Stone wall collapses....more sacks in 2014...book it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

He doesn't need a complete redo. Lombardi even said that himself after watching the tape. Stafford makes plenty of good decisions and does go through progressions. He quickly goes through progressions and gets the ball out quickly. He's a good cerebral QB.

And this Oline can pass pro. Waddle/Warford year 2, Sims healthy, Reiff 2nd year starting. Stone wall Oline again.

Then he doesn't go through enough progressions because he's throwing into coverage and forgetting about open guys.