cap raised

[swami45]

so since were playing hypotheticals....which high priced guy would you want to move the most? I think all have their positives and negatives.

Suh - good value, gets paid too much for a DT. one of the best in the league at DT. Low production for how much money he makes, has a knack to go crazy both on and off the field.

Stafford - not very good value but desperate qb needy teams would overpay anyway, makes top 5 money and is probably around the middle of the pack

CJ - great value, has a couple years of prime left....then what does he become? Do injuries start to pile up cause of his size?

Its a tough question for me to answer. As far as suh goes theres no way in hell I think you can put a complete defense on the field when your DT make close to 15 mil. If we surround Staff with all these qb guys, get him even MORE weapons, and he still shits the bed then im done with him...but then again if you don't have another option at qb then you don't get rid of the only option you have or youll end up being the browns. CJ I think id want to get rid of the least eventhough we might get the most in return for him....he means too much to an offense by the attention he receives. The fact staff can suck for half the year with CJ on the field is mindblowing. I guess my answer would be Suh....itd be tough to monitor what the loss of him would mean to our defense. If we got a couple picks and grabbed a rookie DT how much worse would our defense be off? Production wise the dline didn't have very good numbers with him in there....could we really be that much worse?

Calvin for sure. He is due to have a couple seasons coming up where he has a cap hit of 20 million+. I love Calvin, he is undoubtably the best WR in the last 10 years but when you pay a WR that much you are asking for trouble. Look at Arizona, when they gave Fitz that crazy contract they had to get rid of a couple of thier best players. If I had to look at the 3 and say what one player is worth what he makes it is Suh. Even as much as I am against paying a DT that much he earns it. Problem is you are locked up long term with Calvin and Stafford already.

 

[swami45]

Another thing about Calvin, he will be 29 this next season. By the time he is 33-34 he will be a shell of himself thanks to playing on this turf. Rice was lucky to play outdoors all of those years to help preserve his career. Look at Adrian Peterson, people think the best thing that can happen for him is the Vikings are getting out of that dome. Playing on real turf the next couple years will add a couple years to his career.

 

[mhughes0021]

Another thing about Calvin, he will be 29 this next season. By the time he is 33-34 he will be a shell of himself thanks to playing on this turf. Rice was lucky to play outdoors all of those years to help preserve his career. Look at Adrian Peterson, people think the best thing that can happen for him is the Vikings are getting out of that dome. Playing on real turf the next couple years will add a couple years to his career.

a giant running a 4.3 on turf....its just a matter of time before a knee explodes.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I just don't see how they could pull off a Suh trade and sell it to the fans. First off, many fans love Suh. Secondly, trading Suh is basically a sign that they're giving up on 2014 already, the loss of Suh and 19 million in dead cap space is a serious blow to this team. While it may help the cap in the future, it's not a smart move for a team that's "ready to win now".

Ready to win now is relative. If you ask me if they're "ready to win now" I'd say no.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

so since were playing hypotheticals....which high priced guy would you want to move the most? I think all have their positives and negatives.

Suh - good value, gets paid too much for a DT. one of the best in the league at DT. Low production for how much money he makes, has a knack to go crazy both on and off the field.

Stafford - not very good value but desperate qb needy teams would overpay anyway, makes top 5 money and is probably around the middle of the pack

CJ - great value, has a couple years of prime left....then what does he become? Do injuries start to pile up cause of his size?

Its a tough question for me to answer. As far as suh goes theres no way in hell I think you can put a complete defense on the field when your DT make close to 15 mil. If we surround Staff with all these qb guys, get him even MORE weapons, and he still shits the bed then im done with him...but then again if you don't have another option at qb then you don't get rid of the only option you have or youll end up being the browns. CJ I think id want to get rid of the least eventhough we might get the most in return for him....he means too much to an offense by the attention he receives. The fact staff can suck for half the year with CJ on the field is mindblowing. I guess my answer would be Suh....itd be tough to monitor what the loss of him would mean to our defense. If we got a couple picks and grabbed a rookie DT how much worse would our defense be off? Production wise the dline didn't have very good numbers with him in there....could we really be that much worse?

Suh for sure......here are my reasons.

1. He takes up a huge chunk of change. I think Seattle has shown the NFL that having a good overall D is more important than having a few stars......especially a DT. Suhs contract is basically equal to 2 really good starters or 3 solid ones.

2. More long term flexibility. Easy to understand......getting rid of his contract means fewer end loaded mega deals.

3. He brings a massive return. A high 1st round pick or a slew of 2nd and 3rd round picks. Enough to warrant his departure.

If the Suh to the Raiders for their 1st were really an option.....I'd do it in a heartbeat. Yes, you are left with a huge amount of dead money......but only for 2014. And if that draft pick plays to his slot.....you are still getting a REALLY good player in return. Watkins/Clowney ect...

Then, next offseason you have more talent on rookie deals and a much more significant amount of cap space for FA.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If it was a possibility it would make more sense if it was a new GM doing the trading. Mayhew needs to win now I would suspect. So I doubt he would even think about it...

 

[cheeno]

Suh would have to sign with the Raiders long term before the trade for it to even be an option. This is some ridiculous shit.

 

[LKP]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/25/source-cap-will-be-higher-than-132-million/

Cap 132 million and may be more.


Lions have 9.4 million in space now (before a Suh deal 6-8 million in more room).

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap-hit/

This will be good for carryover for 2015 as well.

 

[tsmith7559]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/25/source-cap-will-be-higher-than-132-million/

Cap 132 million and may be more.


Lions have 9.4 million in space now (before a Suh deal 6-8 million in more room).

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/cap-hit/

This will be good for carryover for 2015 as well.

somehow i feel jerry jones might be behind pushing the cap up..take a look at dallas's cap and dead money situatio.

 

[LKP]

somehow i feel jerry jones might be behind pushing the cap up..take a look at dallas's cap and dead money situatio.

Some teams like the Saints and Cowboys are screwed. It had to be done. It was tight but manageable for Detroit before this. Now they can breath easier.

 

[atxlion82]

I've always felt that if you draft a player when you go to extend/resign them that their cap number should only count like 80% . Give teams a benefit for drafting well.

 

[tsmith7559]

Some teams like the Saints and Cowboys are screwed. It had to be done. It was tight but manageable for Detroit before this. Now they can breath easier.

agree.. plus we really dont have much to sign next year

 

[brewer229]

I've always felt that if you draft a player when you go to extend/resign them that their cap number should only count like 80% . Give teams a benefit for drafting well.

That would be nice. People always say you don't build a team through free agency, then they want to spend big money to keep their own players. Which is essentially paying free agent prices. People get to emotionally attached to players. There is essentially no difference between signing your own players vs free agents.

Only benefit is you can play with the cap a bit more, but in the end you pay the same money free agent or resigning draft picks.

 

[LKP]

People got all pissy in hindisght after 2012 when we spent all the Lions very limited resources in retaining our current players (Tulloch, Levy, Backus, Hill, Avril, Sammie Lee Hill).


People were happy in 2013 with Bush Quin and Jones but weren't sure of keeping Levy and Houston and Delmas.


Lions fans tend to want other teams free agents to give them the kool aid. Reality is it's a combination of keeping your own guys and getting new guys and drafting well. Got to be smart and make the right choices with your own and with new guys. And sometimes the market and cap space dicates and you are forced to let someone good go or not get someone good who you really want in free agency. Every team has their own set of circumstances.

 

[jdeb]

I doubt Suh is going anywhere. He is the face of the defense like CJ is to the offense.

 

[grandy]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/02/27/salary-cap-figure-132-133-million/5876517/

Cap bumped up another million, $133 million now

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Extend Suh. The cap hell from the previous rookie contracts is what it is. Suh is the best player on our defense, and one of the very best D-linemen in the league. Even if we extend him at market value (Atkins' 11m/year being the new standard), he's worth it AND it gives us the best cap situation in the near term.

I would hope the team could do something positive with money in free agency, but we could just as easily hold on to cap space in order to improve our cap outlook for the future.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Extend Suh. The cap hell from the previous rookie contracts is what it is. Suh is the best player on our defense, and one of the very best D-linemen in the league. Even if we extend him at market value (Atkins' 11m/year being the new standard), he's worth it AND it gives us the best cap situation in the near term.

I would hope the team could do something positive with money in free agency, but we could just as easily hold on to cap space in order to improve our cap outlook for the future.

Is he the best option in the long run? Maybe he is but I'd be more concerned with that. But somehow I think he wants more than 11m. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants 6 years/90m.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Is he the best option in the long run? Maybe he is but I'd be more concerned with that. But somehow I think he wants more than 11m. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants 6 years/90m.

If he wants out, that's another issue too. No DT is worth 15 million per year. I'm not saying go crazy to extend him just to extend him, I'm saying we shouldn't be getting upset to pay market value for a player. Market value is right around 11. If he wants 12, we consider it and work around how the numbers fit. If he wants 15, we tell him thanks for everything and have fun never seeing that in free agency.

With the cap raised, we have more legitimate options outside of just extending Suh. He doesn't hold all the leverage that he may have if the cap was just 125 million. Extending him for market value is the best choice because it keeps an elite player and improves our cap situation. Extending him well above market value is dumb (not that I put it past our management/ownership) and we should stop doing dumb things as a franchise.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2014/02/27/salary-cap-figure-132-133-million/5876517/

Cap bumped up another million, $133 million now

report is 140 next year and 150! the year after that.