Computers still love Michigan

[Gulo Blue]

well, there you have it. michigan was in the game the whole time and they should have won.

Yes. The only two possible descriptions of the game are either that, or 'clownstomped'.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yes. The only two possible descriptions of the game are either that, or 'clownstomped'.

see my edit from previous post. your quote doesn't agree with bob's assertion that it was bad luck.

 

[tinselwolverine]

of course these are opinions, but the facts support them particularly against assertions like uofm being one ball bounce on a 50/50 ball away from winning the game. They don't prove nd took their foot off the gas, but the play by play which shows ND was 57:43 runass in the first half (not adjusting for all of Wimbush's improvised runs or any sacks) and 70:30 runass in the second half, is a pretty strong indicator that they got a lot more conservative.

Cool.

I didn?t say anything about any jump balls, and as I explained, becoming more conservative strategically and taking the foot off the gas are two different things in my opinion. Taking the foot off the gas implies playing with less intensity and subbing in a lot more players to give them experience and also to lessen the chance of injury for your starters-I have no doubt that Notre Dame stayed with its key players and they played with the same amount of intensity with the more conservative playcalling as they did it with the more aggressive play calling.

Also, getting a little more conservative is usually a good strategy but we?ve all seen it backfired. Possibly if Notre Dame had not gotten as conservative as it did, Michigan would not have been in a position to potentially tie the game before the Patterson fumble.

Obviously that?s speculative.

Also to me ?garbage time? implies the game is out of reach, and there are multiple substitutes in on both sides of the ball-again just my opinion, but that certainly wasn?t the case for the Michigan touchdown that cut the lead to one score.

 

[Spartanmack]

Cool.

I didn?t say anything about any jump balls, and as I explained, becoming more conservative strategically and taking the foot off the gas are two different things in my opinion. Taking the foot off the gas implies playing with less intensity and subbing in a lot more players to give them experience and also to lessen the chance of injury for your starters-I have no doubt that Notre Dame stayed with its key players and they played with the same amount of intensity with the more conservative playcalling as they did it with the more aggressive play calling.

Also, getting a little more conservative is usually a good strategy but we?ve all seen it backfired. Possibly if Notre Dame had not gotten as conservative as it did, Michigan would not have been in a position to potentially tie the game before the Patterson fumble.

Obviously that?s speculative.

Also to me ?garbage time? implies the game is out of reach, and there are multiple substitutes in on both sides of the ball-again just my opinion, but that certainly wasn?t the case for the Michigan touchdown that cut the lead to one score.

those are references to bob's nonsensical claims that one of those two balls was the difference in the game. It's an outrageous assertion on its face and it also ignores any good luck uofm had, like the TD called back bc of ineligible man downfield.

We can go back and forth on taking the foot off the gas vs. getting more conservative - I meant the latter by your definition. The point is that is part of what helped michigan make the game look closer than it was. I still think uofm got outplayed badly, harbaugh looked awful, ill-prepared and lost on the national stage (again). Since then they've looked better but against vastly inferior competition.

 

[biggunsbob]

those are references to bob's nonsensical claims that one of those two balls was the difference in the game. It's an outrageous assertion on its face and it also ignores any good luck uofm had, like the TD called back bc of ineligible man downfield.

We can go back and forth on taking the foot off the gas vs. getting more conservative - I meant the latter by your definition. The point is that is part of what helped michigan make the game look closer than it was. I still think uofm got outplayed badly, harbaugh looked awful, ill-prepared and lost on the national stage (again). Since then they've looked better but against vastly inferior competition.

Go watch the jump ball catches again with two Michigan defenders on them and PSU"s dropped INT on msu last possession and make that claim again. One or two plays can change the outcome of any game.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Edit: that actually doesn't support what Bob was saying - clearwall clearly says Wimbush was bailed out by great receivers which indicates he or she thinks that even though the pass was bad, an ND player made a great play. That directly contradicts the assertion that nd got lucky.

Ok. Good trolling I guess, if that's your thing.

 

[tinselwolverine]

those are references to bob's nonsensical claims that one of those two balls was the difference in the game. It's an outrageous assertion on its face and it also ignores any good luck uofm had, like the TD called back bc of ineligible man downfield.

We can go back and forth on taking the foot off the gas vs. getting more conservative - I meant the latter by your definition. The point is that is part of what helped michigan make the game look closer than it was. I still think uofm got outplayed badly, harbaugh looked awful, ill-prepared and lost on the national stage (again). Since then they've looked better but against vastly inferior competition.

yes Michigan got badly out played, and usually when the team gets badly outplayed they lose, which Michigan did.-That said, we?ve all also seen examples of a team getting outplayed and managing to pull out the victory. I guess this is an example of a team getting badly outplayed yet managing to hang in the game however they did it-maybe because of a strategic change by the opponent or whatever, And still being in the position to have a small chance of winning up to the very end.

 

[Michchamp]

I disagree that we were BADLY outplayed by ND.

You could say we were "outplayed," or even "clearly outplayed," but not "badly outplayed."

Say why don't we argue about the meaning of each word, whether it applies here, and each pull isolated stats out of our ass to justify our position, and then after two or three posts, start calling eachother names, while whining whenever the other person responds in kind?

 

[Spartanmack]

Go watch the jump ball catches again with two Michigan defenders on them and PSU"s dropped INT on msu last possession and make that claim again. One or two plays can change the outcome of any game.

again, I never said we weren't lucky that those weren't picked off by PSU defenders but 1) those weren't jump balls 2) that doesn't take into account the fact that psu had at least 3 things go their way that shouldn't have just like uofm also got lucky against nd, luckier one could argue since ND had a TD called back 3) it's totally irrelevant to what happened at nd

 

[Spartanmack]

I disagree that we were BADLY outplayed by ND.

You could say we were "outplayed," or even "clearly outplayed," but not "badly outplayed."

Say why don't we argue about the meaning of each word, whether it applies here, and each pull isolated stats out of our ass to justify our position, and then after two or three posts, start calling eachother names, while whining whenever the other person responds in kind?

I'm not the one arguing about the meaning of words but I'm totally fine with arguing stats, too bad you can't find any to support your side, unless you consider counting jump balls that went the other way to be stats. Also, no one has called anyone any names - that's your job. Funny enough, you also are the only person who whines about it when people respond to you in the manner you address them.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I guess I am the one who started in with the meaning of words, not really arguing so much is just discussing the nuances and connotations.

 

[Spartanmack]

Ok. Good trolling I guess, if that's your thing.

gulo: here's a post from an nd fan that proves you wrong

me: actually, it doesn't and here's why

gulo: good trolling


now THAT is quality trolling, maybe even some of my best...

 

[Spartanmack]

I guess I am the one who started in with the meaning of words, not really arguing so much is just discussing the nuances and connotations.

I don't see an issue with anything you've said.

 

[Gulo Blue]

gulo: here's a post from an nd fan that proves you wrong

me: actually, it doesn't and here's why

gulo: good trolling


now THAT is quality trolling, maybe even some of my best...

Your explanation meant nothing though.

 

[Spartanmack]

so we're up to 12 pages and nothing has been resolved mainly because you guys just won't listen (more trolling). That's almost as long as the 1st quarter in game thread for a michigan game. I'm going to take my leave for a bit - I hope your guys play almost well enough to win Saturday, then well enough to win every game after that. Enjoy.

 

[Michchamp]

so we're up to 12 pages and nothing has been resolved mainly because you guys just won't listen (more trolling). That's almost as long as the 1st quarter in game thread for a michigan game. I'm going to take my leave for a bit - I hope your guys play almost well enough to win Saturday, then well enough to win every game after that. Enjoy.

go to hell.

 

[hungry]

That's not true. uofm scored their only offensive TD w/ 2:08 left on the clock. The got the ball back w/ 1:40 and not TOs and an offense that couldn't move the ball.

It ended up being a one score game because of a garbage time TD, a kick return and ND taking their foot off the gas. uofm got outplayed badly in that game.

You say it isn't true, then you point out that Michigan got the ball down 7 with 1:40 left on the clock. Yes, they did not move the ball, but what I said was true. They had the ball down 1 TD with a chance to drive and tie the game. Plenty of teams come back and score 1 TD in less than 1:40. Michigan didn't do it, but that doesn't change that the situation was there.

 

[Michchamp]

I'm detecting a little jealousy from spartahack and sbee over the length of our game threads here on this board.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'm detecting a little jealousy from spartahack and sbee over the length of our game threads here on this board.

I do feel a little bad, just a little, that there aren't really any good online MSU boards.

 

[Gulo Blue]

so we're up to 12 pages and nothing has been resolved mainly because you guys just won't listen (more trolling). That's almost as long as the 1st quarter in game thread for a michigan game. I'm going to take my leave for a bit - I hope your guys play almost well enough to win Saturday, then well enough to win every game after that. Enjoy.

12 pages? This thread is about Michigan doing well in the advanced stats. There isn't a problem to resolve. Your own thing, however you want to describe it, didn't start on page 1.