Computers still love Michigan

[Spartanmack]

Garbage time never happened in the ND game. Two scores is the most we were ever down in the 2nd half. We also had the ball at midfield down seven with 46 seconds to go when Shea fumbled. We had our chance to tie it up. Just didn't work out.

even if it wasn't garbage time (which it was), the fact that you had a chance to tie, doesn't mean you didn't get outplayed badly.

 

[Spartanmack]

Football is sometimes a game of luck ,skill, ect. So when psu drops two easy int?s on MSU last drive was that luck or bad luck or skill ? Football is a game of big plays . There were two jump balls in the Nd game maybe three in the first quarter . All Michigan need was one of those to go the defenses way just like MSU had at psu. If that happens Michigan probably wins. Heck the offense played terrible and still it was a one score game at the end. Nd didn?t take any foot off the pedal, and none of us are discounting how unprepared Michigan was at the start of the game . We were pushed around and it sucked. But I stand by if one of those jump balls goes Michigan?s way they win this game. That said sadly they didn?t and lost.

And what about the ND TD that was called back for the ineligible receiver downfield, was that luck or was that in Brown's game plan? It's just flat out false to say michigan lost that game bc of a couple of bad breaks.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You should have watched the game like I did.

Of course I watched the game.

The events about which you posted that happened during the game are facts - I?m sure you know the difference between a fact and an opinion - facts are things that can be proven. Anything stated that cannot be proven is an opinion.

It cannot be proven that Notre Dame ?let its foot off the gas.? It cannot be proven that when Michigan scored late in the game it was ?garbage time.?

These are just the fundamental tenets of logic and critical analysis that apply to everything, not just a football game.

 

[UMRules06]

As usual the truth in my opinion lies in the middle. Notre Dame played better and deserved to win the game definitely. It was a very tough road game to open up a brand new season with a new QB. Michigan kept the score competitively close but deserved to lose. I do feel they played a much cleaner second half, but it wasn't to be. We move on.

The game was a month and a half ago, and the most obvious shortcoming coming out of it was the play of Michigans OLine. Michigan has won 6 straight since that day, and the play of the OLine has definitely improved. We can dismiss the opponents if we like, but we can only play who is on the schedule.

MSU will be a great test to see how much Michigan has truly improved, or if it's all smoke and mirrors.

 

[tinselwolverine]

You should have watched the game like I did. I'm not getting any of this from the box score, but it definitely supports my argument and not theirs so much.

How can you know the box score supports your arguments if you didn?t check the box score?

 

[Spartanmack]

Garbage time never happened in the ND game. Two scores is the most we were ever down in the 2nd half. We also had the ball at midfield down seven with 46 seconds to go when Shea fumbled. We had our chance to tie it up. Just didn't work out.

right, uofm's one sustained drive happened with about 5 minutes on the clock against ND's prevent defense nursing a two score lead resulting in a TD that made the game look closer than it was, masking the fact (for uofm fans) that they were outplayed badly. Definitely not garbage time.

 

[biggunsbob]

And what about the ND TD that was called back for the ineligible receiver downfield, was that luck or was that in Brown's game plan? It's just flat out false to say michigan lost that game bc of a couple of bad breaks.

Now we are talking about Penalties lol. Ok. Try not to hold a Michigan defensive linemen again. So if that psu DB catches that possible Int does MSU win the game on that last drive? So don’t tell me one or two plays can’t change the outcome of any game. A lot of games they can’t but in one score games they sure can.

 

[TheVictors]

This is the dumbest discussion this board has ever seen.

 

[thewolverines24]

This is the dumbest discussion this board has ever seen.

It is clownshoe week.

 

[UMRules06]

This is the dumbest discussion this board has ever seen.

We can probably find ones as dumb or dumber about this same time last year or the year before, or the year before...etc.

 

[tinselwolverine]

This is the dumbest discussion this board has ever seen.

It’s not quite as dumb as the never ending “our thugs are less thuggy than your thugs” discussion.

 

[biggunsbob]

As usual the truth in my opinion lies in the middle. Notre Dame played better and deserved to win the game definitely. It was a very tough road game to open up a brand new season with a new QB. Michigan kept the score competitively close but deserved to lose. I do feel they played a much cleaner second half, but it wasn't to be. We move on.

The game was a month and a half ago, and the most obvious shortcoming coming out of it was the play of Michigans OLine. Michigan has won 6 straight since that day, and the play of the OLine has definitely improved. We can dismiss the opponents if we like, but we can only play who is on the schedule.

MSU will be a great test to see how much Michigan has truly improved, or if it's all smoke and mirrors.

I agree with you totally . We played like crap. Defense wasn?t ready to play. Offense kept shooting themselves in the foot with a new qb. Guess we need to give ND defense credit . The bottled up Patterson pretty good. Man I wish he protected the ball better . He will need to verses MSU.

 

[Spartanmack]

How can you know the box score supports your arguments if you didn?t check the box score?

My opinions are from watching the game. I've referenced data from the play-by-play to support them. I didn't mean to say box score there. Sorry about that.

 

[Spartanmack]

This is the dumbest discussion this board has ever seen.

certainly not because of brilliant posts like this gem which ad so much to the conversation...

You know who else loves MICHIGAN ...besides the computers??

EVERYBODY! Because MICHIGAN is FUCKING AWESOME and the BEST UNIVERSITY on the PLANET with the coolest football helmets and best FANS in AMERICA!

FUCKING GO BLUE!!!!!

 

[tinselwolverine]

My opinions are from watching the game. I've referenced data from the play-by-play to support them. I didn't mean to say box score there. Sorry about that.

Well everybody’s opinions on anything are from observation.

You said two things about Notre Dame is play in the second half. You’ve described it as “letting their foot off the gas“ but you’ve also described it as playing “conservative to protect the lead.”

Now personally, I don’t see those two as being the same thing - this is my opinion.

Also, I don’t see an opponent hosting a long time rival holding a two score lead and giving up a score late in the game as allowing a team to score in “garbage time.” Again it is my opinion, but I would speculate that the Notre Dame coaching staff would not view that touchdown as having been allowed during garbage time.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It?s not quite as dumb as the never ending ?our thugs are less thuggy than your thugs? discussion.

Where's that at.. I have to read that.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Where's that at.. I have to read that.

It?s on every thread started by a Wolverine fan that?s about a Spartan getting into trouble, and every thread started by a Spartan fan about Wolverine getting into trouble.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I watched the whole game. Do you have something specific to say about those drives that everyone who didn't go to uofm isn't appreciating?

People that didn't go to Michigan can see it just fine. Let me check a Notre Dame game thread:

Should have had 2 picks Great receivers bailing him out

Posted by clearwall on Sep 1, 2018 | 8:22 PM

 

[Spartanmack]

Of course I watched the game.

The events about which you posted that happened during the game are facts - I’m sure you know the difference between a fact and an opinion - facts are things that can be proven. Anything stated that cannot be proven is an opinion.

It cannot be proven that Notre Dame “let its foot off the gas.” It cannot be proven that when Michigan scored late in the game it was “garbage time.”

These are just the fundamental tenets of logic and critical analysis that apply to everything, not just a football game.

of course these are opinions, but the facts support them particularly against assertions like uofm being one ball bounce on a 50/50 ball away from winning the game. They don't prove nd took their foot off the gas, but the play by play which shows ND was 57:43 runass in the first half (not adjusting for all of Wimbush's improvised runs or any sacks) and 70:30 runass in the second half, is a pretty strong indicator that they got a lot more conservative.

 

[Spartanmack]

People that didn't go to Michigan can see it just fine. Let me check a Notre Dame game thread:

well, there you have it. michigan was in the game the whole time and they should have won.

Edit: that actually doesn't support what Bob was saying - clearwall clearly says Wimbush was bailed out by great receivers which indicates he or she thinks that even though the pass was bad, an ND player made a great play. That directly contradicts the assertion that nd got lucky.