Couches, deadly inside and out

[redandguilty]

My wife loves gardening. There's no practical reason she should be doing it. Harvesting food is fun. Add strategy and the element of hunting for something, there is definitely an appeal that can outweigh the negative of killing something if you rationalize it.

I'd argue that gardening makes sense because that food tastes better than food in the store and it's by far cheaper. It's extremely practical. It's also renewable, you can take seeds from before and plant them next year.

Some of that justification can go along with hunting, but in the end people do find the "kill" fun; which is still disturbing. I wouldn't find gardening fun if I had to kill and animal to do it.

It is more expensive by far to grow your own vegetables in a small backyard garden. You'd think all you need is seeds and water, but you'd be surprised. It's more expensive than getting vegetables from the farmers' market.

But to your other point, I can't explain people that enjoy killing things. I'm just saying that it could have appeal for other reasons. I suspect that it does for the majority, but I don't know how we're going to get into other people's heads to find out.

 

[wolverine304]

We're men. We're ontop of the food chain for a reason. We have been hunting since the beginning, its not just going to randomly leave our brain. Not all men. Especially when you were a person raised with hunting and fishing. Its also a bonding with a father and son usually. You understand gardening for your own food but shooting your own meat doesn't make sense? And some do it as a sport. To catch/shoot the biggest.

I don't go hunting, but I can understand why some do.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

 

[Michchamp]

if I did shoot and kill a deer, I would whisper an apology to it, like the indians did, and explain I needed to feed my family. I still think you can and should respect life, even if you take it.

I probably wouldn't do the same thing to a fish I caught. It just doesn't really seem necessary, but then again, I also wouldn't go fishing with dynamite or hand grenades... that's idiotic.

 

[Mitchrapp]

if I did shoot and kill a deer, I would whisper an apology to it, like the indians did, and explain I needed to feed my family. I still think you can and should respect life, even if you take it.

I probably wouldn't do the same thing to a fish I caught. It just doesn't really seem necessary, but then again, I also wouldn't go fishing with dynamite or hand grenades... that's idiotic.

So what is the difference between shooting a deer or catching a fish. Its killed either way.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'd argue that gardening makes sense because that food tastes better than food in the store and it's by far cheaper. It's extremely practical. It's also renewable, you can take seeds from before and plant them next year.

Some of that justification can go along with hunting, but in the end people do find the "kill" fun; which is still disturbing. I wouldn't find gardening fun if I had to kill and animal to do it.

It is more expensive by far to grow your own vegetables in a small backyard garden. You'd think all you need is seeds and water, but you'd be surprised. It's more expensive than getting vegetables from the farmers' market.

But to your other point, I can't explain people that enjoy killing things. I'm just saying that it could have appeal for other reasons. I suspect that it does for the majority, but I don't know how we're going to get into other people's heads to find out.

Not for me? I go to blocks, a place by the Detroit Metro Airport, and you can get plants for like $2 a pop. Most plants give you a ton of veggies and the ones that don't, like carrots or cabbage heads, you can usually do well with those just by planting the seeds and a package of seeds is like $1. Now if you go all out and buy soil, fertilizer, fancy supports for the plants - that's where it gets expensive. But my small garden this year was great. I spent like $10 on the whole thing and ended up with cucumbers, peppers and tomatoes all summer. I made a lot of great salads.

 

[tinselwolverine]

if I did shoot and kill a deer, I would whisper an apology to it, like the indians did, and explain I needed to feed my family. I still think you can and should respect life, even if you take it.

A long time ago, I was dating this chick who was kind of into Buddhism. Anyway, I took her to my boxing gym, and showed her how to hit a speed bag, and also a heavy bag.

She thought I should bow to the bags before and after pounding them - in Buddhism, I guess, inanimate objects are apparently nevertheless instilled with the Life Force, to some degree.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Mitch[/color]]I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun. MOST hunters hunt for fun and don't actually need to hunt. IMO it's a want vs. a need and the want to hunt is weird to me - that's all. I don't want to kill anything so I leave it to the people who do it professionally. That's not to say I wouldn't do it to survive, but I would take no joy in it or call it a sport.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

We're men. We're ontop of the food chain for a reason. We have been hunting since the beginning, its not just going to randomly leave our brain. Not all men. Especially when you were a person raised with hunting and fishing. Its also a bonding with a father and son usually. You understand gardening for your own food but shooting your own meat doesn't make sense? And some do it as a sport. To catch/shoot the biggest.

I don't go hunting, but I can understand why some do.

Gardening doesn't involve killing an animal.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Mitch[/color]]

if I did shoot and kill a deer, I would whisper an apology to it, like the indians did, and explain I needed to feed my family. I still think you can and should respect life, even if you take it.

I probably wouldn't do the same thing to a fish I caught. It just doesn't really seem necessary, but then again, I also wouldn't go fishing with dynamite or hand grenades... that's idiotic.

So what is the difference between shooting a deer or catching a fish. Its killed either way.

The same difference between killing a fish and killing a plant. I'm not sure why but killing something like a cow would be harder for me to kill than something like a chicken and a fish would be easier to kill than both. I think part of it has to do, for me at least, with the intelligence of the animal. Killing a shrimp wouldn't be a big deal for me because they don't have the same emotions as say a deer would when you kill it; nor do the have the same type of pain associated with the death.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mitch[/color]]I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun. MOST hunters hunt for fun and don't actually need to hunt. IMO it's a want vs. a need and the want to hunt is weird to me - that's all. I don't want to kill anything so I leave it to the people who do it professionally. That's not to say I wouldn't do it to survive, but I would take no joy in it or call it a sport.

But in end its dead. Now I wouldn't do it either, creeps me out. We have deer on our lawn all the time, kind of cool. But hunting for sport has been going on since the beginning of time. Its what people know.

An example is eating, some Americans eat European style. IMO, its just wrong but they get that obvious from their parents who got it from their parents and so on.

 

[wolverine304]

well you asked for reason why people did it and I've named many. I don't know what else you want. Nothing is going to change your mind. To some men its more satisfying knowing they went and killed their own meat, than to just go to the store and buy it. The easy way isn't always the better way.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Mitch[/color]]I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun.

I doubt a wolf or wolves kill a bear very often, if ever...

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

well you asked for reason why people did it and I've named many. I don't know what else you want. Nothing is going to change your mind. To some men its more satisfying knowing they went and killed their own meat, than to just go to the store and buy it. The easy way isn't always the better way.

a reason isn't the same as a good reason. "I like it" is a reason, that doesn't justify the action.

 

[redandguilty]

Mitch[/color]]I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun. MOST hunters hunt for fun and don't actually need to hunt. IMO it's a want vs. a need and the want to hunt is weird to me - that's all. I don't want to kill anything so I leave it to the people who do it professionally. That's not to say I wouldn't do it to survive, but I would take no joy in it or call it a sport.

Wolverines do.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun.

I doubt a wolf or wolves kill a bear very often, if ever...

haha oops, don't worry I got this:
http://www.us-parks.com/yellowstone-national-park/bears-and-wolves.html

"Wolves sometimes kill bears, but likely only young, old, or otherwise weakened bears."

lol, I knew it!

 

[tinselwolverine]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun.

I doubt a wolf or wolves kill a bear very often, if ever...

I just looked it up; I guess from time to time, a wolf and a bear might get into fights over natural prey common to both that has already been killed...but neither would be the natural prey of the other...

 

[Michchamp]

Mitch[/color]]I don't hunt but what's the difference between shooting a deer or having a Puma kill it? Its all the same.

not really. A wolf kills a bear because that's how it survives - a wolf doesn't find it fun. MOST hunters hunt for fun and don't actually need to hunt. IMO it's a want vs. a need and the want to hunt is weird to me - that's all. I don't want to kill anything so I leave it to the people who do it professionally. That's not to say I wouldn't do it to survive, but I would take no joy in it or call it a sport.

there are documented incidences of animals killing for sport or fun.

Killer whales are pretty much assholes to everything else in the ocean.

I watched a documentary once on groundhogs (or it may have been prairie dogs...) either way, they were fighting a "clan war" and I watched an older one kill a younger rival. It was a pretty absurd looking fight, but vicious nevertheless.

My dog liked to chase rabbits, and I imagine he would've caught them and killed them if he wasn't on his leash. He certainly didn't need to eat them for food.

 

[tinselwolverine]

TinselWolverine[/color]]

I doubt a wolf or wolves kill a bear very often, if ever...

haha oops, don't worry I got this:
http://www.us-parks.com/yellowstone-national-park/bears-and-wolves.html

"Wolves sometimes kill bears, but likely only young, old, or otherwise weakened bears."

lol, I knew it!

So I was right - it isn't very often...

 

[wolverine304]

I never gave a "they like it" reason. I've given good reason.


Go buy a ton of acres of land, and animals to put in it to save them from the big bad hunters.