Esiason on Stafford

[tomdalton22]

Well then hypothetically the Lions have a billion dollars in cap space, 32 first round picks, and can trade for all the lineman they want, plus the best trainer in the history of the world who can get Manning back to full health...and that billion will sign him.

So, yes, Manning is a viable option...hypothetically.

Please.

I think anyone with a brain could understand the hypothetical question without going overboard. Clearly, you couldn't follow along.

 

[brewer229]

Well then hypothetically the Lions have a billion dollars in cap space, 32 first round picks, and can trade for all the lineman they want, plus the best trainer in the history of the world who can get Manning back to full health...and that billion will sign him.

So, yes, Manning is a viable option...hypothetically.

Please.

The question was who has been available in the draft or as a FA since we have had Stafford that has been better. Both of those would be considered better by 99% of the population.

 

[tonyballs]

I don't think it is a legitimate question when you won't even consider Russell Wilson as a hypothetical answer.

Do you read, bro?? You can pick anyone you fucking want to. Doesn't mean I have to agree with ya. You guys put RW on a throne....I don't. I don't think he's any better or worse than Stafford. That's my opinion. You don't like it??? Too fucking bad, son...live with it.

 

[tonyballs]

It was a hypothetical question. Who was available that is better than Stafford that the Lions could have had. Wilson is the answer.

But he has a great reason on why Wilson isn't the answer. Hypothetically or not

 

[brewer229]

But he has a great reason on why Wilson isn't the answer. Hypothetically or not

Well your question is stupid then. Because you want it to be realistic. Realistically with the way the Lions screwed up the cap with him there was never a chance to replace him. We could never afford a guy like manning and the team was never going to use a high draft pick.

So basically you are asking what guy drafted in the 5th round or later in the 2015 draft or what backup QB could come in and be better. The answer is probably none (although we really don't know about the 2015 class yet). So basically we have limited it to what backup QB from the 2015 FA an group is better.

Stupid Question.

 

[tomdalton22]

But he has a great reason on why Wilson isn't the answer. Hypothetically or not

Give me a name that could have replaced Stafford. If you or any of you guys got ONE single fucking liable name i'll never talk up Stafford on here again. I'll join the hate crew, but only as a silent partner lol

REMEMBER......give me one QB that is better than Staff that we could have drafted or brought in as a FA since Stafford has been a Lion. You can't name one guy..lol

It doesn't say anything about "would the Lions do it"

 

[tonyballs]

Well your question is stupid then. Because you want it to be realistic. Realistically with the way the Lions screwed up the cap with him there was never a chance to replace him. We could never afford a guy like manning and the team was never going to use a high draft pick.

So basically you are asking what guy drafted in the 5th round or later in the 2015 draft or what backup QB could come in and be better. The answer is probably none (although we really don't know about the 2015 class yet). So basically we have limited it to what backup QB from the 2015 FA an group is better.

Stupid Question.

What??? You're the dumb one!! lol. What don't you understand?? All I'm saying is detrisin gave a good reason on "why" RW probably wasn't drafted by the Lions. If you tards want to pick guys like Manning, Wilson or a Cousins and say that all three are better....then GO AHEAD. The only guy on that list in MY eyes is Manning. And he wasn't coming here 150%. I don't think Wilson or Cousins are better than Stafford. Don't be sour because you can't come up with a liable name and you have to go reach for a guy like Cousins to support your fucking argument..lol.

Stupid question?? Nah...I'm asking you guys to give me a QB that is better that we had a chance to draft or possibly pick up. The only guy I agreed with that is better is Manning, but we all know he was never coming here. You also said Wilson and Cousins....fine. I don't think they're better.

Now, I can print you up tshirts or make you a fucking sign if you don't understand. I have explained it a thousand times now. Do you finally fucking get it or do you need to be euthanized?

 

[tonyballs]

It doesn't say anything about "would the Lions do it"

lmao.....ok

 

[brewer229]

So assuming we could afford it. Why would Manning not come here in 2012? What made the Broncos more attractive than the Lions in the eyes of manning?

 

[tbone413]

So assuming we could afford it. Why would Manning not come here in 2012? What made the Broncos more attractive than the Lions in the eyes of manning?

In my opinion, Manning would have never come to Detroit if offered even something remotely similar (contract wise) by Denver. If you remember, Manning chose Denver over San Francisco, who pushed so hard for Him they ruined their relationship with Smith and had to trade him to KC...SF had just gone 13-3 that year. If San Fran couldn't close the deal, I don't think Detroit (even if they tried their best) had any chance at getting Manning.

I think Manning chose Denver for a few reasons:

1. Denver had a terrible QB - one of the worst ever, and as a result had a very under performing offense, even though there were tons of weapons on the team (Decker, Thomas, etc.) Their Defense was average in 2011, but Manning had to think that he could make a dramatic difference on the offense with him at QB.

Detroit in 2011 had a top 5 offense already - and a below average Defense...Manning no doubt would have produced in Detroit, but a top 5 Offense can only improve so much (in theory). They still would have a bad Defense, and so it wouldn't have been the ideal situation (which is what he was looking for).


2. John Elway - He had a lot to do with getting Manning in Denver. I don't think his impact can be overstated. Meanwhile the Lions were run by the same fools who run in now, and had a defensive minded HC in Schwartz (who I'm sure a Pro's pro like manning wasn't too found of).

3. The AFC West was a much 'easier' division than the NFC North. The NFC North had the Packers at their peak (2 years removed from SB) to contend with, and a feisty Bears team as well. Lions with Manning would have been the favorites I think? But still not a shoe in like Denver was with Manning.


This is just my opinion though....

 

[tonyballs]

So assuming we could afford it. Why would Manning not come here in 2012? What made the Broncos more attractive than the Lions in the eyes of manning?

The Lions have been a laughing stock for how many years now? I can't speak for the man, but don't kid yourself. He wasn't coming here. You know it and I know it. The whole fucking board knows it. Besides, Denver never had a QB either and Stafford was still young. He's still young! But hey, maybe you're right. Maybe the Lions were ready to give up on a 24 yr old QB with loads of potential. Give the keys to an aging HOF QB that just got released because of injury issues. IDK!!!! lol.

Again.......Manning is obviously a better QB but the situation wasn't right for him to come to the D. That's where the realism kicks in. If Orlovsky was our starter then YES, a Manning signing would have been realistic, but that wasn't the case.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

So assuming we could afford it. Why would Manning not come here in 2012? What made the Broncos more attractive than the Lions in the eyes of manning?

This isn't a serious question, is it???

 

[tonyballs]

This isn't a serious question, is it???

Of course it is, man lol. Now all of a sudden the Detroit motherfucking football Lions are an attractive landing spot to superstar football players....

 

[dubbsco]

Why not?? Denver was 8-8 in 2008, 8-8 in 2009, 4-12 in 2010, 8-8 in 2011.

Detroit was improving every year from their 0-16 season, culminating in that banner-raising 10-6 season in 2011.

Denver wasn't some mega-power. They were floundering in mediocrity, much like the Lions have been.

 

[brewer229]

Tony keeps chaning the topic it's pointless to argue.

Oringially it was name anyone that was available that would of been an improvement.
Then after he got two. It changed to give me a QB who I (being Tony) thinks is better.
Then it became name a guy who was a realistic option.

The fact is there were no realistic options because with Stafford contract we weren't going to move on no matter how poor be played. And don't fool yourself he played really poorly the last few years.

2016 is the first year it would of been fiscally possible to move on from him. So the answer to the new question is there were no options since we weren't looking in FA as we weren't going to use a draft pick because we were fiscally tied to Stafford.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Of course it is, man lol. Now all of a sudden the Detroit motherfucking football Lions are an attractive landing spot to superstar football players....

There are so many reasons as to why this would have been a terrible idea.....but I'll throw out the most obvious one....

Why in the HELL would the Lions have wanted Manning going in to 2012? We're not talking about what happened in the following seasons or anything.....but there is absolutely zero reasons as to why the Lions would have even given a passing thought to signing Peyton Manning in the offseason after 2011. None. Not one.

That's some LKP level stupidity to even suggest it.

 

[brewer229]

There are so many reasons as to why this would have been a terrible idea.....but I'll throw out the most obvious one....

Why in the HELL would the Lions have wanted Manning going in to 2012? We're not talking about what happened in the following seasons or anything.....but there is absolutely zero reasons as to why the Lions would have even given a passing thought to signing Peyton Manning in the offseason after 2011. None. Not one.

That's some LKP level stupidity to even suggest it.

Read the whole thread. I don't think anyone ever mentioned it was going to happen. Or even realistic. Or should happen.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Read the whole thread. I don't think anyone ever mentioned it was going to happen. Or even realistic. Or should happen.

I will admit I did not read the previous pages.......that's why I asked about it being a serious question.

My bad if I misinterpreted it.

 

[dubbsco]

The conversation is not about whether or not the Lions would have wanted Manning. The conversation is that Stafford has been the best and only option for Detroit since Stafford has joined the team. And that's not true.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

The conversation is not about whether or not the Lions would have wanted Manning. The conversation is that Stafford has been the best and only option for Detroit since Stafford has joined the team. And that's not true.

Got it.

Not named Rogers or Brady......I don't think there's a QB on the planet I would have wanted over Stafford after the 2011 season.......Manning included.

I'd say after the 2013 season is really the first time any GM would/should have looked at a possible replacement.