Esiason on Stafford

[brewer229]

Hahaaaaaa.....again, you have nothing. I make perfect sense. Wilson is overrated, but he's a good QB. Fuck the rest of the world what they think because you can't speak for them anyways....lol. I know plenty of people that feel the same way i do but its all just opinion...so fuck them too, right? Lol.

Go 'Hawks!!! Derrrrrrrrrrgh agurglegurgle ahhhhh!!

http://www.dailytribune.com/article/DT/20151003/SPORTS/151009878

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2885834/...e-Seahawks-Russell-Wilson-is-in-NFLs-top-five

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000578287/article/qb-index-ranking-the-starters-from-1-to-32

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/07/pro-pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings/

http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015/07/17/qb-rank-nfl-quarterbacks-rankings/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000619129/article/qb-index-yearend-rankings

I'm not going to spend more than 3 minutes pulling article after article...Your opinion is your opinion but your opinion is wrong.

 

[dubbsco]

Exactly. I can say Mark Sanchez is better than Tom Brady because I like the guy and it's my opinion. But I would know that opinion is incorrect.

This is less about your feeling on the QB, more about what they've done, where they have gone, and their raw stats. And basically Stafford has maybe 1 or 2 things he does better than Wilson. Wilson's just a better QB, top to bottom. Couple that with the fact that he was a 3rd round pick who was expected to be planted behind Flynn.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Exactly. I can say Mark Sanchez is better than Tom Brady because I like the guy and it's my opinion. But I would know that opinion is incorrect.

This is less about your feeling on the QB, more about what they've done, where they have gone, and their raw stats. And basically Stafford has maybe 1 or 2 things he does better than Wilson. Wilson's just a better QB, top to bottom. Couple that with the fact that he was a 3rd round pick who was expected to be planted behind Flynn.

To me it would depend on the offense.

If I had to decide between the two to run Cooters or Linehans offense I'd take Stafford every time. No question,

To run a ball control, rollout, let the qb improvise type of offense like Seattle, SF (Chip Kelly) or Pittsburgh.....I take Wilson every time.

All things even.....id give Wilson a very slight edge. But making the case for Stafford isn't just a homer pick. It's the same thing as saying someone would choose Wilson because he's won more. Well, yeah, any QB would win with that Seattle team. Aaron Rodgers might have 4 Super Bowls with Seattle........so does that mean Wilson sucks because he only has one???

 

[brewer229]

To me it would depend on the offense.

If I had to decide between the two to run Cooters or Linehans offense I'd take Stafford every time. No question,

To run a ball control, rollout, let the qb improvise type of offense like Seattle, SF (Chip Kelly) or Pittsburgh.....I take Wilson every time.

All things even.....id give Wilson a very slight edge. But making the case for Stafford isn't just a homer pick. It's the same thing as saying someone would choose Wilson because he's won more. Well, yeah, any QB would win with that Seattle team. Aaron Rodgers might have 4 Super Bowls with Seattle........so does that mean Wilson sucks because he only has one???

What makes Stafford more equipped than Wilson to run Cooters offense?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

What makes Stafford more equipped than Wilson to run Cooters offense?

To me, Stafford is better at reading a defense at the line than Wilson. Staffords accuracy in the short to intermediate game is as good or better as RW's is too. Cooters offense is not set up to allow for much improvising or long routes and reads.......something Wilson excels at that Stafford seems to struggle with.

 

[dubbsco]

Maybe the stats will prove me wrong, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to the short game being better with Stafford. He seems to throw one velocity, including his screens.

 

[tonyballs]

http://www.dailytribune.com/article/DT/20151003/SPORTS/151009878

http://mynorthwest.com/292/2885834/...e-Seahawks-Russell-Wilson-is-in-NFLs-top-five

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000578287/article/qb-index-ranking-the-starters-from-1-to-32

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/07/pro-pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings/

http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015/07/17/qb-rank-nfl-quarterbacks-rankings/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000619129/article/qb-index-yearend-rankings

I'm not going to spend more than 3 minutes pulling article after article...Your opinion is your opinion but your opinion is wrong.

Keep pulling!!! Lol. I dont care....im not wrong

 

[tonyballs]

Exactly. I can say Mark Sanchez is better than Tom Brady because I like the guy and it's my opinion. But I would know that opinion is incorrect.

This is less about your feeling on the QB, more about what they've done, where they have gone, and their raw stats. And basically Stafford has maybe 1 or 2 things he does better than Wilson. Wilson's just a better QB, top to bottom. Couple that with the fact that he was a 3rd round pick who was expected to be planted behind Flynn.

Sanchez over Brady? That's your comparison? Lol. Ok

 

[brewer229]

Maybe the stats will prove me wrong, but I'm not sure how much truth there is to the short game being better with Stafford. He seems to throw one velocity, including his screens.

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[jdeb]

I would take Wilson over Stafford any day of the week. Wilson can beat you in more ways than Stafford. He can run or he can throw, the knock on him is he can overlook receivers. Stafford on the other hand, tends to fit balls into tight seams when he probably shouldn't. Stafford has a canon for an arm but gets him into trouble as shown last year. Inconsistent mechanics, takes to many chances that lead to turnovers. I really thought Stafford turned the corner in 2014 but he really sucked in the first half of the year. Then a coaching change and a light went on... I have no idea what to expect from him in 2016. I suppose all the Stafford lovers will blame the loss of Calvin this year if he comes out of the gate like he did last year.

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[tonyballs]

we have shown you all of the statistics that suggest that Wilson is better but it doesn't change your mind. There isn't one thing Stafford does better than Wilson with the exception of maybe throw the ball harder. YPA, TD%, INT%, Comp%, scrambling ability, running ability, decision making, passer rating....nothing that favors Stafford. I'm not saying he is the greatest, or even elite, but he is better than Matt Stafford...even if it is by the slightest margin JUST because of his running / athletic ability (even though I think he is a better passer too)

Good for you...lol. I look at the big picture. Stafford has been thrown into a pile of shit and trying to be the guy from day 1. Wilson ran a run first offense and had an All Star defense from jump. The pressure wasn't as big on Wilson. If Stafford could ride the coat tails of a running game and a stud defense then he would have been just as successful as Wilson. And dont remind me about that killer Detroit D from a couple of years ago either because the Cowboys exposed that defense in the playoffs. Same game that everyone on this board blamed Stafford for....

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Stats show that they are much closr on passes that travel less than 10 yards in the air. Over the past two years:

MS: 72.2% 6.2 YPA, 26 TD, 7 Int 95.4 Rating
RW: 73.7% 6.3 YPA, 33 TD, 9 Int 96.5 Rating.

Where they are greatly separated are on the passes that travel more than 10+ yards in the air.

MS: 45.37% 9.6 YPA, 22 TD, 17 INT 80.5 Rating
RW: 48.42% 11.5 YPA, 33 TD, 9 Int 115.8 Rating

To me you can put Wilson in any offense and you have a chance to win.
Stafford needs more help.

I cant say the numbers surprise me at all......its pretty much in line with what I said.

Wilson has always thrown a good deep ball and he has the WR's to do it. In all fairness......Stafford has had exactly ONE deep threat his entire career and it was the guy that was doubled and triple teamed every single fuckin play. Tough to be a good deep ball thrower when the options are so limited.

But, when the opportunites have been there for a deep completion......Stafford misses too often.

 

[tonyballs]

I would take Wilson over Stafford any day of the week. Wilson can beat you in more ways than Stafford. He can run or he can throw, the knock on him is he can overlook receivers. Stafford on the other hand, tends to fit balls into tight seams when he probably shouldn't. Stafford has a canon for an arm but gets him into trouble as shown last year. Inconsistent mechanics, takes to many chances that lead to turnovers. I really thought Stafford turned the corner in 2014 but he really sucked in the first half of the year. Then a coaching change and a light went on... I have no idea what to expect from him in 2016. I suppose all the Stafford lovers will blame the loss of Calvin this year if he comes out of the gate like he did last year.

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You wont see me blaming the loss of CJ for any glitches. Gotta admit tho....gonna suck without CJ there but Stafford has proven that he can ball without Calvin. I think he'll be fine. Especially if they address the OLine and WR position through the draft.

 

[tomdalton22]

Good for you...lol. I look at the big picture. Stafford has been thrown into a pile of shit and trying to be the guy from day 1. Wilson ran a run first offense and had an All Star defense from jump. The pressure wasn't as big on Wilson. If Stafford could ride the coat tails of a running game and a stud defense then he would have been just as successful as Wilson. And dont remind me about that killer Detroit D from a couple of years ago either because the Cowboys exposed that defense in the playoffs. Same game that everyone on this board blamed Stafford for....

lol...you look at the big picture? The big picture is Stafford hasn't done shit. He is a slightly above average starting quarterback who has a big arm, makes poor decisions, lacks consistency and can't make plays with his feet.

Numbers don't lie...Wilson has been better...and I'm NOT talking about team accomplishments. I'm talking about passing and running the ball. Wilson has been better.

Career Stats

Stafford 60.9 comp%, 4.4 TD %, 2.7 INT%, 7.0 YPA, 85.8 rating, 644 rushing yards
Wilson 64.7 comp%, 6.1 TD%, 2.0 INT%, 8.4 YPA, 101.8 rating, 2430 rushing yards

 

[brewer229]

Good for you...lol. I look at the big picture. Stafford has been thrown into a pile of shit and trying to be the guy from day 1. Wilson ran a run first offense and had an All Star defense from jump. The pressure wasn't as big on Wilson. If Stafford could ride the coat tails of a running game and a stud defense then he would have been just as successful as Wilson. And dont remind me about that killer Detroit D from a couple of years ago either because the Cowboys exposed that defense in the playoffs. Same game that everyone on this board blamed Stafford for....

Exposed. A defense that held the leading rusher to more than 40 yards below his season average. Sacked the QB 6 times. Yea lets put that on the defense.

Even since LKP got booted we hadn't had a poor poor Stafford post. Thanks for bringing it back.

 

[brewer229]

I cant say the numbers surprise me at all......its pretty much in line with what I said.

Wilson has always thrown a good deep ball and he has the WR's to do it. In all fairness......Stafford has had exactly ONE deep threat his entire career and it was the guy that was doubled and triple teamed every single fuckin play. Tough to be a good deep ball thrower when the options are so limited.

But, when the opportunites have been there for a deep completion......Stafford misses too often.

After looking at it, the totals didn't foot to their season totals, so I'm not sure how accurate the raw data could be taken.


Watching the game, to me it's clear Wilson throws a better deep ball. Stafford has had better WR weapons over his career than Wilson has had.

 

[tonyballs]

Exposed. A defense that held the leading rusher to more than 40 yards below his season average. Sacked the QB 6 times. Yea lets put that on the defense.

Even since LKP got booted we hadn't had a poor poor Stafford post. Thanks for bringing it back.

Exposed??? The defense didn't do shit to stop anyone when it counted lol. The offense shit the bed too! The whole team didn't show up in the 2nd half, numb nuts. It wasnt all on the QB

 

[dubbsco]

Booger, you think Stafford has had better options on the outside than Wilson? He's had the likes of Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse, Tyler Lockett, and Golden Tate. Those guys aren't even in the same stratosphere as Calvin.

 

[tbone413]

I cant say the numbers surprise me at all......its pretty much in line with what I said.

Wilson has always thrown a good deep ball and he has the WR's to do it. In all fairness......Stafford has had exactly ONE deep threat his entire career and it was the guy that was doubled and triple teamed every single fuckin play. Tough to be a good deep ball thrower when the options are so limited.

But, when the opportunites have been there for a deep completion......Stafford misses too often.

This is pretty much spot on to how I feel as well. Its hard to blame Stafford for 'bad' long ball numbers when you have had zero running game your entire career, and can have the safeties sit back...but at the same time, Stafford seems to miss an open receiver (10+ yards away) at least once a game.

I still would take Wilson over Stafford, even though I dont think the gap between the two is as big as some on here...but Im also a big homer.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

After looking at it, the totals didn't foot to their season totals, so I'm not sure how accurate the raw data could be taken.


Watching the game, to me it's clear Wilson throws a better deep ball. Stafford has had better WR weapons over his career than Wilson has had.

Ohhhh......I disagree there. Stafford has had the better WEAPON ......not weapons. Do you not remember the piles of shit the Lions ran out there opposite CJ??

Guys that played a key role......not just on the team.....

Golden Tate
Kris Durham
Burelson
Titus
Pettigrew
Ebron
Heller
Mike Thomas
Ryan Broyles
Kevin Ogletree
Jeremy Ross

Seattle -

Baldwin
Tate
Tyler Lockett
Kearse
Jimmy Graham
Percy Harvin
Luke Willson
Ricardo Lockett
Zach Miller
Sindey Rice

Minus CJ and Tate (because he's played 2 years for both) the players Wilson has had to throw to are FAR BETTER than what Stafford has had.

So yes, CJ is easily the best player of all of them.....but Seattle has CLEARLY had the better targets the last 4 years.