Esiason on Stafford

[kmd47]

In my opinion, Manning would have never come to Detroit if offered even something remotely similar (contract wise) by Denver. If you remember, Manning chose Denver over San Francisco, who pushed so hard for Him they ruined their relationship with Smith and had to trade him to KC...SF had just gone 13-3 that year. If San Fran couldn't close the deal, I don't think Detroit (even if they tried their best) had any chance at getting Manning.

I think Manning chose Denver for a few reasons:

1. Denver had a terrible QB - one of the worst ever, and as a result had a very under performing offense, even though there were tons of weapons on the team (Decker, Thomas, etc.) Their Defense was average in 2011, but Manning had to think that he could make a dramatic difference on the offense with him at QB.

Detroit in 2011 had a top 5 offense already - and a below average Defense...Manning no doubt would have produced in Detroit, but a top 5 Offense can only improve so much (in theory). They still would have a bad Defense, and so it wouldn't have been the ideal situation (which is what he was looking for).


2. John Elway - He had a lot to do with getting Manning in Denver. I don't think his impact can be overstated. Meanwhile the Lions were run by the same fools who run in now, and had a defensive minded HC in Schwartz (who I'm sure a Pro's pro like manning wasn't too found of).

3. The AFC West was a much 'easier' division than the NFC North. The NFC North had the Packers at their peak (2 years removed from SB) to contend with, and a feisty Bears team as well. Lions with Manning would have been the favorites I think? But still not a shoe in like Denver was with Manning.


This is just my opinion though....

This answered Brewers and dubsco dumb questions and arguments poignantly...

 

[tonyballs]

Tony keeps chaning the topic it's pointless to argue.

Oringially it was name anyone that was available that would of been an improvement.
Then after he got two. It changed to give me a QB who I (being Tony) thinks is better.
Then it became name a guy who was a realistic option.

The fact is there were no realistic options because with Stafford contract we weren't going to move on no matter how poor be played. And don't fool yourself he played really poorly the last few years.

2016 is the first year it would of been fiscally possible to move on from him. So the answer to the new question is there were no options since we weren't looking in FA as we weren't going to use a draft pick because we were fiscally tied to Stafford.

I haven't changed a fucking thing on what i said. I asked anybody to give me a QB thats better than Stafford. You have your opinion that RW, Manning and Cousins are better. Fine, but i dont agree on Wilson and Cousins. And Manning wasn't coming here. You're close with Wilson because i dont think he's any better or worse than Staff. The Manning and Cousins pick were bad because the world knew Manning wasn't coming here and Cousins is based off one year of putting up gaudy stats..lol. Now you can't come up with shit so you're deflecting.

Btw....what 2 QBs did you name? Wilson ...ok. The other????

 

[tonyballs]

Read the whole thread. I don't think anyone ever mentioned it was going to happen. Or even realistic. Or should happen.

So the question IN YOUR MIND wasn't realistic?? You're full of shit because then you would have named any stud QB on any team. Instead, you named Wilson who we could have drafted and a HOF QB coming off neck surgery with no team. You knew all along wtf you were doing.....

 

[tonyballs]

I will admit I did not read the previous pages.......that's why I asked about it being a serious question.

My bad if I misinterpreted it.

You didn't misinterpret anything. Brewer actually wants to know why Manning would choose the Broncos over a historically fucking terrible football team. Don't let him kid ya lol.

My question was.....can you name me a QB that is better than Stafford that we could have had since Stafford was a Lion. Brewer came up with 3 QBs.....Wilson, P. Manning and Cousins. I never changed my stance on any of it. I just don't agree with it. He can have his opinion....just like i have mine. Manning is the only QB in that group that i personally feel is better. But why would a future HOF QB at the end of his career who is chasing one more ring go to Detroit? People need this explained to them? Fucking priceless....lol

 

[brewer229]

So the question IN YOUR MIND wasn't realistic?? You're full of shit because then you would have named any stud QB on any team. Instead, you named Wilson who we could have drafted and a HOF QB coming off neck surgery with no team. You knew all along wtf you were doing.....

Nope you are wrong again....the question was what FA QB or what QB could we have drafted that is clearly better than Stafford.

So that eliminates any QB that hasn't been a FA or Draftable. Which is almost every above average QB. Because when you are an above average QB you don't hit free agency. Hell even average QBs don't hit FA often.

You are the one that posted the theoretical question about FA QBs and Drafting QBs, since in the real world we couldn't afford any, we were fiscally tied to Stafford. So the question could of only been theoretical.

Also, if you had any reading comprehension you would see I said this about Cousins: "Cousins to me hasn't actually don't enough to prove he is better than Stafford. However they are close. After this year one could pass the other."

 

[tomdalton22]

I would guess that most people that know football would say that Wilson is a better QB than Stafford. Just because Tony doesn't feel that way doesn't make it true. You gave him a good answer.

 

[tonyballs]

Nope you are wrong again....the question was what FA QB or what QB could we have drafted that is clearly better than Stafford.

So that eliminates any QB that hasn't been a FA or Draftable. Which is almost every above average QB. Because when you are an above average QB you don't hit free agency. Hell even average QBs don't hit FA often.

You are the one that posted the theoretical question about FA QBs and Drafting QBs, since in the real world we couldn't afford any, we were fiscally tied to Stafford. So the question could of only been theoretical.

Also, if you had any reading comprehension you would see I said this about Cousins: "Cousins to me hasn't actually don't enough to prove he is better than Stafford. However they are close. After this year one could pass the other."

Oh, I have reading comprehension lol. You mentioned Cousins, so don't weasel your way out of it with a "but" behind it.

You mentioned a few QBs and I think you're reaching with Manning and Cousins. It's funny though, coming from a guy that destroys this organization like yourself. You act all confused and need it explained to you why Peyton fucking Manning won't come here lol. Get your head out of your ass, buddy lol...please.

 

[tonyballs]

I would guess that most people that know football would say that Wilson is a better QB than Stafford. Just because Tony doesn't feel that way doesn't make it true. You gave him a good answer.

And I know a shit ton of people that feel the same way I do. There's a difference.....you're guessing. I'm not

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[boogerlovejoy]

I would guess that most people that know football would say that Wilson is a better QB than Stafford. Just because Tony doesn't feel that way doesn't make it true. You gave him a good answer.

I'd say its close. Most people would give Wilson the edge because of the Super Bowl title and what should have been a 2nd.

Off topic a bit......why doesn't Wilson get any shit for blowing a Super Bowl??? I mean, bad call or not (the single worst play call in NFL history) he threw that ball without looking at the coverage. He seems to get a free pass for that play because the call was so bad......but holy shit. Ernest Byner fumbled away an AFC championship and didn't live that down for a decade or so........people rarely even mention Wilson's pick.

 

[tonyballs]

Nope you are wrong again....the question was what FA QB or what QB could we have drafted that is clearly better than Stafford.

So that eliminates any QB that hasn't been a FA or Draftable. Which is almost every above average QB. Because when you are an above average QB you don't hit free agency. Hell even average QBs don't hit FA often.

You are the one that posted the theoretical question about FA QBs and Drafting QBs, since in the real world we couldn't afford any, we were fiscally tied to Stafford. So the question could of only been theoretical.

Also, if you had any reading comprehension you would see I said this about Cousins: "Cousins to me hasn't actually don't enough to prove he is better than Stafford. However they are close. After this year one could pass the other."

And it doesn't eliminate anyone lol. Wow

 

[tonyballs]

I'd say its close. Most people would give Wilson the edge because of the Super Bowl title and what should have been a 2nd.

Off topic a bit......why doesn't Wilson get any shit for blowing a Super Bowl??? I mean, bad call or not (the single worst play call in NFL history) he threw that ball without looking at the coverage. He seems to get a free pass for that play because the call was so bad......but holy shit. Ernest Byner fumbled away an AFC championship and didn't live that down for a decade or so........people rarely even mention Wilson's pick.

Because he's the poster child for the NFL.

 

[dubbsco]

That was just an awesome, awesome play by a defender. He put it in a decent spot, but Butler read that incredibly well and quickly.

 

[brewer229]

Oh, I have reading comprehension lol. You mentioned Cousins, so don't weasel your way out of it with a "but" behind it.

You mentioned a few QBs and I think you're reaching with Manning and Cousins. It's funny though, coming from a guy that destroys this organization like yourself. You act all confused and need it explained to you why Peyton fucking Manning won't come here lol. Get your head out of your ass, buddy lol...please.

Ok guy, whatever you say.

You think Stafford and Wilson are equal. You think you make sense.

In your little world you are logical to yourself. It doesn't matter that to the rest of world your statements and opinions seem to be incorrect.

 

[tbone413]

I'd say its close. Most people would give Wilson the edge because of the Super Bowl title and what should have been a 2nd.

Off topic a bit......why doesn't Wilson get any shit for blowing a Super Bowl??? I mean, bad call or not (the single worst play call in NFL history) he threw that ball without looking at the coverage. He seems to get a free pass for that play because the call was so bad......but holy shit. Ernest Byner fumbled away an AFC championship and didn't live that down for a decade or so........people rarely even mention Wilson's pick.

I think the reason Wilson has 'escaped' criticism is that the blame has been shifted to Carroll...Wilson's throw was right on the money, Butler (?) just made an All Time great play getting in front of the WR and picking it off. The problem was the ball never should have been thrown at all; that SB loss rests on Pete Carroll.

As for who's better - Wilson vs Stafford? Well, obviously Wilson has more hardware, and he really impressed me this year with the way his O-Line left him hanging, and with Marshawn basically out the entire year.

I think its really hard to compare QBs from different teams, but I would have to say Wilson is better. Wilson has had the benefit of playing on a team with an all time great D, and a HOF Running Back. However, he has produced, and won big games....something Stafford hasnt been able to do with his (limited) chances thus far. I cant even speculate as to what would happen if the Stafford and Wilson switched teams, but being a Lions fan, I cant help but think Stafford would have won a SB, and Wilson would have broken his leg here lol.

2014 really hurt 'Stafford defenders' in my eyes, because he had a great D, but still wasnt able to really do much. IF (big IF) Stafford can produce at a high level this year, I will chalk up his 2014 struggles to Lombardi's dumb ass scheme. But, until he puts together a solid season ++, he is just an average QB.

 

[brewer229]

I'd say its close. Most people would give Wilson the edge because of the Super Bowl title and what should have been a 2nd.

Off topic a bit......why doesn't Wilson get any shit for blowing a Super Bowl??? I mean, bad call or not (the single worst play call in NFL history) he threw that ball without looking at the coverage. He seems to get a free pass for that play because the call was so bad......but holy shit. Ernest Byner fumbled away an AFC championship and didn't live that down for a decade or so........people rarely even mention Wilson's pick.

I think the Wilson play was viewed as more of an incredible play by the defender as opposed to a poor read and throw by the QB. Those quick plays like that you really don't have time to look off a defender.

I think people may consider Wilson and Stafford close in terms of overall passing ability, but once you factor in their running/play making ability I think it gives a significant bump to Wilson.

 

[tomdalton22]

And I know a shit ton of people that feel the same way I do. There's a difference.....you're guessing. I'm not

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a shit ton of people? You, LKP and the other Detroit Lion jersey wearing homers shouldn't count

You are biased and that's OK. It's understandable...you are a diehard Detroit Lion fan. Wilson is better in almost every aspect of playing the QB position but you can't see that because you love the Lions too much.

 

[dubbsco]

Running, play making, better stats, putting up good numbers with basically equal or less "weapons" than Stafford has. There's not a ton of boxes you can check off on Stafford's side.

 

[tonyballs]

Ok guy, whatever you say.

You think Stafford and Wilson are equal. You think you make sense.

In your little world you are logical to yourself. It doesn't matter that to the rest of world your statements and opinions seem to be incorrect.

Hahaaaaaa.....again, you have nothing. I make perfect sense. Wilson is overrated, but he's a good QB. Fuck the rest of the world what they think because you can't speak for them anyways....lol. I know plenty of people that feel the same way i do but its all just opinion...so fuck them too, right? Lol.

Go 'Hawks!!! Derrrrrrrrrrgh agurglegurgle ahhhhh!!

 

[tonyballs]

a shit ton of people? You, LKP and the other Detroit Lion jersey wearing homers shouldn't count

You are biased and that's OK. It's understandable...you are a diehard Detroit Lion fan. Wilson is better in almost every aspect of playing the QB position but you can't see that because you love the Lions too much.

Nah...you got it all wrong, but keep analyzing lol. You don't have a clue

 

[tomdalton22]

Nah...you got it all wrong, but keep analyzing lol. You don't have a clue

we have shown you all of the statistics that suggest that Wilson is better but it doesn't change your mind. There isn't one thing Stafford does better than Wilson with the exception of maybe throw the ball harder. YPA, TD%, INT%, Comp%, scrambling ability, running ability, decision making, passer rating....nothing that favors Stafford. I'm not saying he is the greatest, or even elite, but he is better than Matt Stafford...even if it is by the slightest margin JUST because of his running / athletic ability (even though I think he is a better passer too)