That and effort, both of which would improve if he had a better attitude and worked on fitness.
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Fielder: Needs reality check
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That and effort, both of which would improve if he had a better attitude and worked on fitness.
There's no reason at all to believe he's going to slide better because he loses weight.
Dude just can't slide, and weight really doesn't prevent people from sliding properly.
It has nothing at all to do with an inability to bend over.
And once again, the guy has been a top 5 hitter over the past three years, he's an elite hitter, he's had a HOF start to his career, he clearly has an extraordinary work ethic.
If he loses weight it doesn't mean he cares anymore, or is working harder than he was before, that's just asinine.
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Can't imagine that any respectable doctor or athletic trainer would discourage Fielder from losing a few stone, in the interest of improving his athleticism and agility. If I were Tigers' management I'd "strongly suggest" it.
There's more to baseball than hitting. All of his other deficiencies could be improve with a better physique.
You don't think so. I get that. I disagree with you. It is harder for fat people to bend over and get things off the ground.
No way, dude. Losing 30 pounds of fat and maybe gaining 10 pounds of muscle wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on Fielder's athleticism, agility, or speed.
I learned that here on this board.
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"Losing is a disease... as contagious as polio... as contagious as syphilis..."
And let's not pretend we have any idea what his attitude is like.
What players say in interviews means jack shit.
There's no reason to expect losing weight would have any type of significant impact on Fielders performance.
It didn't with Cabrera, nor does it with any of the dozens of players that come to ST every year in "the best shape of their lives."
It didn't with Cabrera, nor does it with any of the dozens of players that come to ST every year in "the best shape of their lives."
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"Fielder... Fielder! Get back here and sit your fat ass down!"
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I think it did. Imagine him at third base in 2011.
Overall, Cabrera's performance last year was right in line with how he performed in 2010 and 2011.
The Tigers and Fielder personally have trainers and doctors, do you really think they haven't analyzed the hell out of Fielders weight, especially before signing him to a 200 million dollar contract?
If either one of them thought it would provide any type of significant improvement, you honestly don't think it would have happened by now?
Unless you believe that once he reached the ML he stopped caring about improving, then I just don't see how you think you would know better than the professionals who have millions of dollars on the line, and the resources to hire the best physician, doctors, and athletic trainers in the country.
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No. You over-estimate the influence of them. You seriously think Ilitch cares about his BMI and body vitals? But "weight" when Fielder's production declines in the coming seasons. Then, it will become an issue.
They will react, not pro-act. Sandoval lost weight to keep up. Fielder will have to as well as he ages. Look at Ryan Howard to see where Fielder will be in a few years and Howard is 6' 4" 240.
See points one and two. They are not concerned so long as he hits home runs and knocks in base runners. If they were, to turn your point around, they'd be on him to drop a lot of weight.
And you're kidding yourself if you think the Tigers invested 200 million dollars into somebody without analyzing in great detail everything, including the weight, of him.
And that would include projecting how his weight would affect his performance down the road.
No chance, way too much money on the line not to.
And that would include projecting how his weight would affect his performance down the road.
No chance, way too much money on the line not to.
I'm talking about his attitude that he has that he thinks its ok to walk around and be a 300 pound tub of lard just because he can hit .315...yeah, that attitude.
It didn't help Cabrera? Can you prove that? He lost like 30 pounds over the offseason. What would his play at 3rd base have been like if he didn't do that? Can you tell me that? He just completed a triple crown and probable MVP season after he got in better condition. You don't think it had anything to do with being in better shape? I think you might be insane.
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You don't know that. If you go by OPS his last two years were better. Even if you don't go by OPS his last two years have been very good even with the weight.
Does no one remember watching Cabrera run bases in 2011? Remember in the world series when Cabrera got gunned down from right field trying to score on a potential sac fly in the ALCS? Remember several singles that he hit last year that any person with normal speed could've stretched into a double? Doubles that could've been stretched into triples? Well, what did Cabrera do? He dropped about 30 pounds of fat and gained about 10 pounds of muscle...exactly what we're suggesting Prince do this offseason. This year many of those potential doubles were doubles. Heck, I even remember Miggy stealing a base or 2. Pop flies to center? Miggy scores from 3rd easily this season. I don't know how any sane person can look at Prince Fielder and not think that he needs to lose some weight aka get in better shape and furthermore, I don't know how any sane person could not think that getting in better shape would improve his all-around play.
Does batting average change when a player settles for a single that could have been a double? Nope. I'd sure as hell rather have the double, though. You think Prince scores easily from third on potential sac flies in the condition that he's in? Hell no. Yes, losing some weight would increase his speed. This is obvious stuff and we can look at Miguel Cabrera 2011 and Cabrera 2012 as the perfect example.
Does batting average change when a player settles for a single that could have been a double? Nope. I'd sure as hell rather have the double, though. You think Prince scores easily from third on potential sac flies in the condition that he's in? Hell no. Yes, losing some weight would increase his speed. This is obvious stuff and we can look at Miguel Cabrera 2011 and Cabrera 2012 as the perfect example.
You're right. i don't know that Cabrera would've been a worse 3rd baseman if he carried 30 pounds of lard this season. That's why everyone in the world said that Cabrera would need to lose some weight in the offseason if he wanted to make a successful transition to 3rd base from first base. I guess they're all stupid.
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