Hoops vs MSU

[TheVictors]

Fuck off. Your team got bitch-slapped at Breslin, got bitch slapped again in NYC yesterday ...your program and coach are corrupt and the school condones a culture of rape and sexual assault.

Fuck your ‘banner’ tbh.

 

[thewolverines24]

Bahahahaha gotime. I'm happy losing by double digits to Michigan, twice, bothers you so much. Your petulant whining in this thread is quite funny.

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[biggunsbob]

The rivalry has certainly got much closer since Jb has taken over in 2007. Coming off Michigan's dark stretch of the late 90's to mid 2000's. Izzo still leads Jb 12-10.
Verses Jb Izzo has two stretches winning 4 in a row and 5 in a row. Jb has three stretches of winning 3 games in a row inducing the last three. Should be interesting moving foward. I know both will have relatively young teams next season. Maybe Jb can finally win 4 in a row verses Tom and msu.

2007 @ EL 59-44 msu.
2007 @ AA 67-56 Um.
2008 @ EL 77-62 msu.
2009 @ AA 54-42 msu.
2010 @ AA 57-56 msu.
2010 @ EL 64-48 msu.
2011 @ EL 61-57 Um.
2011 @ AA 70-63 Um.
2012 @ AA 60-59 Um.
2012 @ EL 64-54 msu.
2013 @ EL 75-52 msu.
2013 @ AA 58-57 Um.
2014 @ EL 80-75 Um.
2014 @ AA 79-70 Um.
2014 @ indy 69-55 Msu.
2015 @ EL 76-66 Msu.
2015 @ AA 80-67 Msu.
2016 @ AA 89-73 Msu.
2017 @ EL 70-62 Msu.
2017 @ AA 86-57 Um.
2018 @ EL 82-72 Um.
2018 @ NY 75-64 Um.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan–Michigan_State_men's_basketball_rivalry

 

[tinselwolverine]

The rivalry has certainly got much closer since Jb...
2018 @ NY 75-64 Um.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan?Michigan_State_men's_basketball_rivalry

I miss New York.

My mom was from there.

Went there every summer as a kid and often as a young adult.

This weekend has made me nostalgic.

 

[biggunsbob]

I guess both games were sold out yesterday.

 

[dubbsco]

Holy hell, when did Michigan State basketball fan become Michigan football fan?

"We had 3 games bigger than Michigan."
PURDUE, PURDUE, is bigger than Michigan? GTFO with that non-sense.

What an embarrassment of posts. Take your medicine like we all do when MSU wins and move on.

Even one of the players shares your sentiment. He said something to the effect of, "We are going to move on to the tournament that actually matters."

 

[wheels002]

The rivalry has certainly got much closer since Jb has taken over in 2007. Coming off Michigan's dark stretch of the late 90's to mid 2000's. Izzo still leads Jb 12-10.
Verses Jb Izzo has two stretches winning 4 in a row and 5 in a row. Jb has three stretches of winning 3 games in a row inducing the last three. Should be interesting moving foward. I know both will have relatively young teams next season. Maybe Jb can finally win 4 in a row verses Tom and msu.

2007 @ EL 59-44 msu.
2007 @ AA 67-56 Um.
2008 @ EL 77-62 msu.
2009 @ AA 54-42 msu.
2010 @ AA 57-56 msu.
2010 @ EL 64-48 msu.
2011 @ EL 61-57 Um.
2011 @ AA 70-63 Um.
2012 @ AA 60-59 Um.
2012 @ EL 64-54 msu.
2013 @ EL 75-52 msu.
2013 @ AA 58-57 Um.
2014 @ EL 80-75 Um.
2014 @ AA 79-70 Um.
2014 @ indy 69-55 Msu.
2015 @ EL 76-66 Msu.
2015 @ AA 80-67 Msu.
2016 @ AA 89-73 Msu.
2017 @ EL 70-62 Msu.
2017 @ AA 86-57 Um.
2018 @ EL 82-72 Um.
2018 @ NY 75-64 Um.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan?Michigan_State_men's_basketball_rivalry

You may be working under a false assumption that Izzo will be back next year. I am still not so sure. Only he knows what he did or didnt to but he cant be comfortable with all the state and federal agencies looking into him

 

[gotime909]

Holy hell, when did Michigan State basketball fan become Michigan football fan?

"We had 3 games bigger than Michigan."
PURDUE, PURDUE, is bigger than Michigan? GTFO with that non-sense.

What an embarrassment of posts. Take your medicine like we all do when MSU wins and move on.

Even one of the players shares your sentiment. He said something to the effect of, "We are going to move on to the tournament that actually matters."

Are you fucking retarded???? Of course Purdue was a bigger game. Look at their RPI dipshit.

 

[dubbsco]

Are you fucking retarded???? Of course Purdue was a bigger game. Look at their RPI dipshit.

You've made yourself look like a clown in this thread. Don't sell me you cared more about a February 10th game against Purdue vs yesterday.

Beating UNC doesn't hold a candle to beating your rival. Just as I would feel if Michigan beat some random good non-conference opponent in football then lost to MSU at home. I'd be substantially more pissed off about that compared to feeling good about the W.

Take your medicine, quite downplaying the game or making excuses.

"Hey, we lost against MSU yesterday, but at least we got that big win at Texas! WOO"

GTFO with your backwards ass logic. When did you turn into a Michigan football fan?

 

[SpartyNash]

You can thank the B10 for that banner seeing MSU had the easiest possible schedule. MSU may have won the B10 but only because you only had to play 1 top 5 B10 team on the road. Michigan played all 4 other teams in the top 5 on the road. MSU only has 2 wins vs teams currently in the NCAA tourney according to Lunardi.

And if the rumors about Izzo are true that banner can come down just as easy as it went up.

It was a weak big ten schedule no doubt, but when you have 18 games against 13 teams what do you expect? This is the problem with these mega conferences, maybe 20 conference games will slightly aid that in future years but not much.

 

[dubbsco]

It was a weak big ten schedule no doubt, but when you have 18 games against 13 teams what do you expect? This is the problem with these mega conferences, maybe 20 conference games will slightly aid that in future years but not much.

I don't think anyone is faulting MSU for beating whoever they had to beat. That's the schedule that was given from the idiot running the conference. It's just really weird that a few teams had absolute mega-death schedules, and others had super favorable ones. That needs to be fixed.

 

[MSUMatt28]

I don't think anyone is faulting MSU for beating whoever they had to beat. That's the schedule that was given from the idiot running the conference. It's just really weird that a few teams had absolute mega-death schedules, and others had super favorable ones. That needs to be fixed.

Agree with SpartyNash that 14 team (or as with the ACC 15) conferences are really bad for scheduling in basketball. And what's with not having a conference rival that you play twice every year? UM-MSU should always play twice. Or maybe they are considering OSU UM's "rival", which would be really dumb in basketball.

There's really nothing that can be done about it as it would be pretty impossible to try and project out ahead of time before the schedules are made who's going to be strong/weak and figure out a way to balance things out.

What it amounts to is conference titles other than in leagues like the Big 12 with a double round robin don't mean a whole lot anymore. You've got the unbalanced schedules in the regular season that make it less legitimate. Sure winning the conference tournament is nice, but that is often again a deal where a team gets hot for a weekend. At the same time, I'm not going to apologize for finishing first. There have been other years where the scheduled worked against MSU.

 

[gotime909]

You've made yourself look like a clown in this thread. Don't sell me you cared more about a February 10th game against Purdue vs yesterday.

Beating UNC doesn't hold a candle to beating your rival. Just as I would feel if Michigan beat some random good non-conference opponent in football then lost to MSU at home. I'd be substantially more pissed off about that compared to feeling good about the W.

Take your medicine, quite downplaying the game or making excuses.

"Hey, we lost against MSU yesterday, but at least we got that big win at Texas! WOO"

GTFO with your backwards ass logic. When did you turn into a Michigan football fan?

Find me one link to where it matters about beating a rival on your resume. Of course I'd rather beat Michigan more than any team, but it's not a more important game than Purdue as of now. That's just FACT

 

[SpartyNash]

I don't think anyone is faulting MSU for beating whoever they had to beat. That's the schedule that was given from the idiot running the conference. It's just really weird that a few teams had absolute mega-death schedules, and others had super favorable ones. That needs to be fixed.

I agree, but how do you do it? Minnesota and northwestern were coming off great seasons last year and MSU won on the road against both this year, but both completely flopped. Wisconsin has made the tourney almost 20 straight years, who would have expected them to be as bad as they were this year? We beat them 3 teams albeit ugly games. Maryland probably would have been a tournament team if healthy, MSU beat them twice.

No doubt you can?t lose double digits to Michigan twice and OSU and expect to be considered a great team but MSU caught some bad breaks and under achievements of other teams that prevented them from better wins.

 

[dubbsco]

Agree with SpartyNash that 14 team (or as with the ACC 15) conferences are really bad for scheduling in basketball. And what's with not having a conference rival that you play twice every year? UM-MSU should always play twice. Or maybe they are considering OSU UM's "rival", which would be really dumb in basketball.

There's really nothing that can be done about it as it would be pretty impossible to try and project out ahead of time before the schedules are made who's going to be strong/weak and figure out a way to balance things out.

What it amounts to is conference titles other than in leagues like the Big 12 with a double round robin don't mean a whole lot anymore. You've got the unbalanced schedules in the regular season that make it less legitimate. Sure winning the conference tournament is nice, but that is often again a deal where a team gets hot for a weekend. At the same time, I'm not going to apologize for finishing first. There have been other years where the scheduled worked against MSU.

Nope, I don't expect you to apologize for your team winning the title. You guys did what you had to do.

Personally, in my humble opinion, these teams need to chop off 4-6 of the crap non-conference games and add in more BT teams. Maybe that's too easy, but those games are painful and only benefit the team with a payday. The fans don't benefit, the superior team doesn't, it's just bad overall.

 

[wheels002]

Are you fucking retarded???? Of course Purdue was a bigger game. Look at their RPI dipshit.

there isnt even much of an RPI difference. Purdue does have an RPI of 8 right now but Michigan is 16 and MSU is 14. So to act like the Purdue win was so much bigger really isnt true. Both Purdue and Michigan are quadrant 1 wins so in the new system they are the same.

 

[SpartyNash]

Nope, I don't expect you to apologize for your team winning the title. You guys did what you had to do.

Personally, in my humble opinion, these teams need to chop off 4-6 of the crap non-conference games and add in more BT teams. Maybe that's too easy, but those games are painful and only benefit the team with a payday. The fans don't benefit, the superior team doesn't, it's just bad overall.

I?d be all for that. MSU had a laughable non conference schedule in december (which they usually have a weak one in mid to late December). It didn?t benefit the team or fans rolling the likes of LBSU and Southern Utah, etc.

 

[MSUMatt28]

Nope, I don't expect you to apologize for your team winning the title. You guys did what you had to do.

Personally, in my humble opinion, these teams need to chop off 4-6 of the crap non-conference games and add in more BT teams. Maybe that's too easy, but those games are painful and only benefit the team with a payday. The fans don't benefit, the superior team doesn't, it's just bad overall.

I think if that happens what will happen is teams will cut out more of the tougher non-conference games and then maybe only play 1 or 2 tough games OOC. Going to 20 conference games certainly balances out the scheduling more, but that would be a real grind. It already is at 18.

It seems like teams in general are scheduling weaker nowaways (other than MSU's idiotic schedule last year). Maybe too many teams were being left off the bubble after losing a few and they started shying away from it.
I mean I look at the conferences like the Big 12 and Big East that are supposedly good this year, and in just about every case the teams in question have maybe at most one good OOC win. All their RPI's were built by beating each other, avoiding bad losses OOC (and not scheduling many oppnents ranked 250 or below), and having fewer really crappy teams at the bottom. Penn State and Nebraska are probably just as good as those teams, but won't have the numbers to support it.

 

[tomdalton22]

I think if that happens what will happen is teams will cut out more of the tougher non-conference games and then maybe only play 1 or 2 tough games OOC. Going to 20 conference games certainly balances out the scheduling more, but that would be a real grind. It already is at 18.

It seems like teams in general are scheduling weaker nowaways (other than MSU's idiotic schedule last year). Maybe too many teams were being left off the bubble after losing a few and they started shying away from it.
I mean I look at the conferences like the Big 12 and Big East that are supposedly good this year, and in just about every case the teams in question have maybe at most one good OOC win. All their RPI's were built by beating each other, avoiding bad losses OOC (and not scheduling many oppnents ranked 250 or below), and having fewer really crappy teams at the bottom. Penn State and Nebraska are probably just as good as those teams, but won't have the numbers to support it.

the problem is there are too many DI teams. There are 347 DI teams. Most of those small conference champions that get the 15 & 16 seeds shouldn't even be in the tournament. Kick the smaller conferences out of DI

 

[MSUMatt28]

the problem is there are too many DI teams. There are 347 DI teams. Most of those small conference champions that get the 15 & 16 seeds shouldn't even be in the tournament. Kick the smaller conferences out of DI

I don't disagree that there's too many teams, and makes for more cupcakes everywhere that need to schedule games against somebody. But that is simply making the smaller conferences larger (by # of members anyway). That's not affecting the tournament bids as they've put a cap on the number of automatic bids they are giving out (30 or whatever it is). So it's not leading to more conferences being formed.

But I completely disagree with kicking any smaller conferences out. They are a big part of what makes March Madness the event that it is.