Hoops vs MSU

[tinselwolverine]

I think it's laughable MSU fans are trying to even make the argument that beating a decent-good UNC team at home in November is more important than their rivals at home during the heart of the conference season and the conference tournament.

Guess they've gone old-school Michigan football fan. Who gives a damn about that loss to MSU? They beat Florida, that's all that matters.

Oh, my bad - when I looked up and down the Spartans record I missed seeing the UNC game.

That was a good win.

Beating Michigan Saturday would have meant more, I would think.

 

[Spartanmack]

Well sadly, you aren't elite. You guys are the Buffalo Bills.

if we're the bills you're, I mean uofm is the lions.

 

[dubbsco]

Oh, my bad - when I looked up and down the Spartans record I missed seeing the UNC game.

That was a good win.

Beating Michigan Saturday would have meant more, I would think.

Of course it would have. This is the classic response of a fan who tries to deflect how much it meant to them.

I guess we now have the OK to pretend that losing to MSU doesn't matter. Beating above average non-conference foe matters more.

 

[dubbsco]

if we're the bills you're, I mean uofm is the lions.

Even in your attempt to be a smart ass, your grammar is pretty piss poor.
Who says "You're, I mean?" That's a shit sentence.

 

[Spartanmack]

Oh, my bad - when I looked up and down the Spartans record I missed seeing the UNC game.

That was a good win.

Beating Michigan Saturday would have meant more, I would think.

maybe, but if we beat uofm then lost to purdue, I doubt anything changes.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Of course I wanted to win the game and the loss stings - I'm not downplaying that at all. Last week in the MSU forum I said I cared more about the BTT tournament this year than I have in the past because our season has been a disappointment despite the 28-3 record.

right, but like I said above to dubbs - in the scenario where we beat uofm in the BTT, uofm doesn't beat purdue to win the BTT and they don't move up in the rankings or have any momentum. Again, I don't think the uofm loss in the BTT costs us much if anything. I doubt we would move much in the NCAA seeding without also winning Sunday.

Right.

You cared about it more, but when all is said and done, you didn't care about it that much after all.

The loss to Michigan in the BTT wasn't just a loss to Michigan in the BTT it cost the Spartans the chance to play for and win the BTT championship, which you cared more about, but also not winning it doesn't cost anything.

Also, I know that without winning the BTT, Michigan doesn't up in the rankings the way they did - which is why I used words/phrases like "hypothetical" and "parallel universe."

Now - you are absolutely right, and I agree 100%, in fact I even posted this previously - Michigan State and Michigan are both going to the NCAA tournament (although as of now, only Michigan is a literal lock, having gained the auto-bid by virtue of having won the BTT. MSU still has to wait and hope the tournament committee offers them an at large bid, which is 100% likely, although at this point it's still fun to point this out).

Should by chance the two meet, the score will be 0-0 at tip off, and nothing that happened before will matter, and everything that happened before will not matter.

 

[Spartanmack]

Even in your attempt to be a smart ass, your grammar is pretty piss poor.
Who says "You're, I mean?" That's a shit sentence.

what exactly is the grammar error? I'm making fun of you for saying "we" when you went to a directional school by correcting "you're" (which is the contraction for "you are") implying you are a uofm grad, to "uofm" because again, you went to a directional school.

 

[Spartanmack]

Right.

You cared about it more, but when all is said and done, you didn't care about it that much after all.

The loss to Michigan in the BTT wasn't just a loss to Michigan in the BTT it cost the Spartans the chance to play for and win the BTT championship, which you cared more about, but also not winning it doesn't cost anything.

Also, I know that without winning the BTT, Michigan doesn't up in the rankings the way they did - which is why I used words/phrases like "hypothetical" and "parallel universe."

Now - you are absolutely right, and I agree 100%, in fact I even posted this previously - Michigan State and Michigan are both going to the NCAA tournament (although as of now, only Michigan is a literal lock, having gained the auto-bid by virtue of having won the BTT. MSU still has to wait and hope the tournament committee offers them an at large bid, which is 100% likely, although at this point it's still fun to point this out).

Should by chance the two meet, the score will be 0-0 at tip off, and nothing that happened before will matter, and everything that happened before will not matter.

I cared about the BTT more than I usually do, that's true but that says nothing about which wins I value more than others.

It's kind of hard to have this argument with knuckleheads who aren't as objective and don't have your sense of humor, but the fact that uofm leapfrogged unc and purdue doesn't increase the value of the potential win because if we (emphasis added) won, there is no leapfrogging.

 

[hungry]

And it doesn't even matter.

What matters is, who's going to be better if they meet in the tournament?

Who knows?

Both are going to be there.

That game will be its own game, if it happens.

And if it does, nothing that happened before will have anything to do with the outcome.

It was nice to see Michigan cut down the net.

I'm thinking about seeing it once more.

And if that happens, I'm thinking about seeing it once more after that.

You're absolutely right, as usual, Tinsel. It does NOT matter what MSU fan thinks. It is highly unlikely that Michigan will play MSU again, so they really do not matter. They aren't even Michigan's real rival. That is OSU, then Illinois, then Rutgers. They shouldn't even be thinking of Michigan.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I cared about the BTT more than I usually do, that's true but that says nothing about which wins I value more than others.

It's kind of hard to have this argument with knuckleheads who aren't as objective and don't have your sense of humor, but the fact that uofm leapfrogged unc and purdue doesn't increase the value of the potential win because with the win, there is no leapfrogging.

Yep.

And if a frog had wings, he'd never leap again.

 

[hungry]

LOL cool story to avoid paying gotime $1mm.

On a more serious note, it's absolutely true. Of course I wanted to win the game and the loss stings - I'm not downplaying that at all. Last week in the MSU forum I said I cared more about the BTT tournament this year than I have in the past because our season has been a disappointment despite the 28-3 record. But I'd still value wins over dook or unc or a good purdue team more than a win over michigan. It's also true that losing to michigan stings more than losing to dook, but that has more to do with expectations than it does any rivalry. When uofm is better than purdue, then I value the uofm win more - that's almost never the case with unc or dook, but if it was, I'd value it more then.


Do you honestly think that if we beat dook and michigan this year, MSU fans would value that uofm win more? Or if we beat uofm on Saturday, we would value that more than the unc victory? If you do, you're nuts. I would probably value a BTT championship more than the unc win, but if we beat michigan, it would have been our 4th best win of the year.

To me the rivalry will always be there in every sport but it's not everything, particularly in basketball - I'm less rational about the football rivalry.

LOL "I wanted to win the game?"

You aren't out there playing the game. You have nothing to do with the basketball team and you never have. Quit saying "I" and "we." You aren't part of the team. You think cheering from your couch gives you the right to be a part of the team? LOL!

 

[hungry]

LOL cool story to avoid paying gotime $1mm.

On a more serious note, it's absolutely true. Of course I wanted to win the game and the loss stings - I'm not downplaying that at all. Last week in the MSU forum I said I cared more about the BTT tournament this year than I have in the past because our season has been a disappointment despite the 28-3 record. But I'd still value wins over dook or unc or a good purdue team more than a win over michigan. It's also true that losing to michigan stings more than losing to dook, but that has more to do with expectations than it does any rivalry. When uofm is better than purdue, then I value the uofm win more - that's almost never the case with unc or dook, but if it was, I'd value it more then.


Do you honestly think that if we beat dook and michigan this year, MSU fans would value that uofm win more? Or if we beat uofm on Saturday, we would value that more than the unc victory? If you do, you're nuts. I would probably value a BTT championship more than the unc win, but if we beat michigan, it would have been our 4th best win of the year.

To me the rivalry will always be there in every sport but it's not everything, particularly in basketball - I'm less rational about the football rivalry.

Well, I don't know if you're paying attention, but Michigan is better than Purdue...

Michigan just spanked them, up 18 at the under 4 minute time-out. They are ranked higher in the AP and Coaches poll. Looks like everyone thinks Michigan is better than Purdue...

Yeah 6-8 weeks ago, Purdue beat Michigan twice...barely, but that was then and now MIchigan has improved and is the better team. Teams sometimes get better as the year goes on.

 

[hungry]

why don't you tell them. I'm not going to tell them because had we beaten uofm, they would mean more. I can't say don't because we didn't beat michigan this year.

And stop saying "we" - you went to a directional school.

AND all you did was give some money for tuition to attend MSU. It doesn't make you a part of the action, so stop saying "we" like you have anything to do with the bball team.

 

[hungry]

Well...it's a hypothetical, parallel universe comparison world.

Today Michigan is ranked ahead of both Purdue and UNC, and really, Duke, Michigan State and Michigan are bunched together in the 4 - 7 spots in both polls.

The loss Saturday to Michigan cost the Spartans a chance to play for the BTT championship.

Purdue's season is over; Duke and UNC's seasons continue; we'll see where they come up in the polls.

But this last loss - it cost the Spartans something tangible; something that the Duke loss didn't.

Saturday's game against Michigan was the most meaningful, and most important game the Spartans had this season - more meaningful than the Duke loss, more meaningful than the Purdue win, more meaningful than the UNC game that actually didn't happen anyway.

So it's kinda hard to fathom valuing hypothetical wins over Duke or UNC or Purdue (this wasn't hypothetical-the Spartans actually won this one) over a win against Michigan makes sense, when not winning against Michigan cost the Spartans the only tangible thing they didn't win so far this year.

Right! The loss against Michigan cost MSU a shot at the BTT championship...but it was meaningless...um ok

 

[tinselwolverine]

Yep.

And if a frog had wings, he'd never leap again.

Well, technically I guess the frog would still leap, but wouldn't have to as often, and the frog would cover vastly more territory between leaps, iff'n a frog had wings.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yep.

And if a frog had wings, he'd never leap again.

I bet he would. He'd probably need the momentum of a good leap to take off. I don't think he would be able to generate enough thrust to take off from a stand still and I doubt he'd be able to make a running take off. Of course in the hypothetical parallel universe where the frog evolved to have wings, the rest of his body would probably look quite a bit different as well.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I've stopped saying/posting first person pronouns.

I say "our guys" or "our team" because that's what they are.

They are our team that we (we the fans) root for.

 

[hungry]

Well, technically I guess the frog would still leap, but wouldn't have to as often, and the frog would cover vastly more territory between leaps, iff'n a frog had wings.

Not necessarily, not everything with wings can fly. Sometimes they are just there...useless...

 

[tinselwolverine]

I bet he would. He'd probably need the momentum of a good leap to take off. I don't think he would be able to generate enough thrust to take off from a stand still and I doubt he'd be able to make a running take off. Of course in the hypothetical parallel universe where the frog evolved to have wings, the rest of his body would probably look quite a bit different as well.

Yes.

You'll see I corrected myself in post #275, the post just above the post I'm quoting here.

 

[hungry]

Done with this thread and done with "MSU fan," until just before MIchigan plays MSU again...whenever that might be.

MSU and their fans just do not matter anymore.