I just voted.

[Spartanmack]

I think it's time to amend the Constitution to limit the president to one six-year term. Same with Senators. One and out. Congresspersons get two four-year terms. And this will not be popular, but Senators should be appointed by the state legislatures and not elected by popular vote. The 17th amendment should be repealed.

Couldn't agree more on the term limits. For years I feel like I've been voting against the Left more so than voting for any particular candidate and I don't see that sentiment changing as long as one can make a career of being a politician. Not sure I'd be for appointing rather than electing senators though - why do you prefer appointments? Is it to get folks more engaged in local/regional politics - being choosier about the choosers and thus the people who also shape impactful local policies?

 

[Michchamp]

It's not like anything is going to change anyway.

The rulers are just wearing a different colored mask. The pendulum will continue to swing back and forth while they keep the American public just where they want them.

yeah, for the most part. unless people stay involved post-election, the money will just flow to the Dems, and not much will get done. In Illinois, both houses of the state legislature are still controlled by the Democrats, but the new gov could tip a lot of things that would've otherwise been vetoed by Quinn.

still, in theory, I think there's a difference between electing a guy who will willingly throw subsidies to big business, cut their taxes, sit on any regulations they don't like, and a guy who will require a handout to do it. At least you're forcing them to pay to lobby & blunt the edge.

and... here's an oldie, but goodie from the Onion.

 

[Spartanmack]

The other thing I love is that his big issues are pot and minimum wage. Big thinking going on there.

He's a big thinker. And don't forget racism! He's thinking about racism too.

 

[byco42]

Couldn't agree more on the term limits. For years I feel like I've been voting against Democrats moreso than for any particular candidate and I don't see that sentiment changing as long as one can make a career of being a politician. Not sure I'd be for appointing rather than electing senators though - why do you prefer appointments over letting the people choose? Is it to get folks more engaged in local/regional politics - being choosier about the choosers and thus the people who also shape impactful local policies?

Reason #1: That's how it was done until 1913.
Reason #2: The chain of command is shortened. Accountability more direct to the states than the Federal government. No need to campaign and spend out-state money and owe influence back.
Reason #3: What you said ... people will be voting for the Senator by voting for the state legislatures.

 

[Michchamp]

He's a big thinker. And don't forget racism! He's thinking about racism too.

yes, keep "voting against democrats"

so much nuance to the Fox News viewers... and yes, your worldview is right from the network, no matter how much you clowns try to deny it.

 

[Spartanmack]

yes, keep "voting against democrats"

so much nuance to the Fox News viewers... and yes, your worldview is right from the network, no matter how much you clowns try to deny it.

I will keep voting against the liberal agenda every chance I get. And I'll bet anything you watch way more Fox News than I do.

 

[Sbee]

I think it's time to amend the Constitution to limit the president to one six-year term. Same with Senators. One and out. Congresspersons get two four-year terms. And this will not be popular, but Senators should be appointed by the state legislatures and not elected by popular vote. The 17th amendment should be repealed.

agree about the terms, that way you're not always fundraising and you can actually legislate and govern.

 

[TheVictors]

Went to bed with (R) Bob Beauprez winning, woke up to incumbent (D) John Hickenlooper still Governor.

 

[Michchamp]

I think term limits may be in order, but only to keep long time buzzards out of office before they can consolidate power in negative ways.

There is something to be said for having the experience of a few elections and terms under your belt.

A few of my classmates over the years have gone on to minor elected offices and I guarantee you they had no idea what they were doing for most of their first terms, nor did they know who to talk to in order to get deals done, etc.

 

[Michchamp]

Went to bed with (R) Bob Beauprez winning, woke up to incumbent (D) John Hickenlooper still Governor.

did you go to bed, or did you pass out?

 

[Sbee]

The other thing I love is that his big issues are pot and minimum wage. Big thinking going on there.

shows how feeble your mind is. Marijuana is the new prohibition, in 2012 there were over 650,000 arrests for marijuana possession. seems pretty petty but there is huge cost to that which is a burden on the taxpayers simply because their drug of choice is illegal but harmless, at least more harmless than alcohol.

On the minimum wage, why not pay a little more for goods and let people earn more. How about paying a living wage (one where you can provide yourself shelter, food, and healthcare) so the taxpayers don't have to take on the burden. I'm sick of subsidizing the profits of walmart and mcdonalds because they don't pay their employees enough.

yes dumbass, those are big issues. the democrats don't have the balls to take them on but they are important

 

[Sbee]

I will keep voting against the liberal agenda every chance I get. And I'll bet anything you watch way more Fox News than I do.

you will lose over time, the old crusty bastards will slowly die off and younger voters with a more progressive agenda will become the majority, also, whites will become the minority, that doesn't bode well for conservatism.

Unless the GOP can continue to cheat with voter ID laws and gerrymandering, they will slowly become a minority party. they're very fractured now with the poor hating sector at odds with the bible beaters, they hate that far right agenda but love their votes. what to do?

 

[Michchamp]

there's a big difference between what's best for me and what equates to social justice.

We're pretty much on the same page, but I don't agree with this statement.

Like I said, if one is outside of that top 1%, and they don't have their own private helipad, cook, housekeeping staff, doctor, etc., one has to take a pretty narrow view of "what's best for me" that doesn't include paying in other ways when the social safety net disappears, to think voting for GOP policies is beneficial.

the amount of people blind to the ways they rely on public infrastructure, social programs, and the like is shocking. And even if they personally don't, more and more people are, and it's likely in their lifetimes they'll be supporting more and more family members who can't support themselves.

That is, unless they really take it to the extreme, dump their elderly parents in the street, cut their kids off after they turn 18, etc. etc.

 

[tinselwolverine]

did you go to bed, or did you pass out?

This is the best post of the thread.

I will confess, myself, I passed out.

Like always.

 

[Spartanmack]

you will lose over time, the old crusty bastards will slowly die off and younger voters with a more progressive agenda will become the majority, also, whites will become the minority, that doesn't bode well for conservatism.

Unless the GOP can continue to cheat with voter ID laws and gerrymandering, they will slowly become a minority party. they're very fractured now with the poor hating sector at odds with the bible beaters, they hate that far right agenda but love their votes. what to do?

To answer your question, I'd say keep winning elections and fight to break the cycle of poverty your team depends on. With polls showing Hispanics trending GOP and liberals continuing to say stupid shit like voter ID laws are "cheating" and conseratives hate poor people, I think there's still time. But thanks for the warning Nostradamus.

 

[KAWDUP]

Went to bed with (R) Bob Beauprez winning, woke up to incumbent (D) John Hickenlooper still Governor.

I heard they were still counting. Don't think either side has claimed victory or conceded yet. JH is 22,000+ ahead so it is looking pretty good for him. The Denver Post has declared Hickenlooper the winner.

If he had lost, he would have been the first Colorado Governor to lose a re-election campaign since the 60's. Probably not now, but the chances of a recount is still around 30-40% or so.

Also would have been the first Republican sweep of the 4 state's constitutional offices in a very long time.

 

[Michchamp]

This is the best post of the thread.

I will confess, myself, I passed out.

Like always.

he said he was at some conference with GWB and Ben Bernanke.

god knows what that involved. I don't think I'd be able to make it through something like sober.

 

[Spartanmack]

shows how feeble your mind is. Marijuana is the new prohibition, in 2012 there were over 650,000 arrests for marijuana possession. seems pretty petty but there is huge cost to that which is a burden on the taxpayers simply because their drug of choice is illegal but harmless, at least more harmless than alcohol.

On the minimum wage, why not pay a little more for goods and let people earn more. How about paying a living wage (one where you can provide yourself shelter, food, and healthcare) so the taxpayers don't have to take on the burden. I'm sick of subsidizing the profits of walmart and mcdonalds because they don't pay their employees enough.

yes dumbass, those are big issues. the democrats don't have the balls to take them on but they are important

Speaking of feeble minded, when will people stop with this "pot is harmless" nonsense? It's so much worse for you than smoking and if it becomes as prolific as alcohol the public health implications are enormous.

And on the minimum wage, what good does it do to artificially raise wages if all that results in is a commensurate artificial increase in prices? Great, now we have higher paying jobs with no increase in purchasing power but a bunch of folks are tossed into the unemployment line. Brilliant.

 

[tinselwolverine]

he said he was at some conference with GWB and Ben Bernanke.

god knows what that involved. I don't think I'd be able to make it through something like sober.

I don't know Bernanke's status, but my understanding is that it's common knowledge that Dubya quit drinkin' a good spell ago...

 

[KAWDUP]

you will lose over time, the old crusty bastards will slowly die off and younger voters with a more progressive agenda will become the majority, also, whites will become the minority, that doesn't bode well for conservatism.

Unless the GOP can continue to cheat with voter ID laws and gerrymandering, they will slowly become a minority party. they're very fractured now with the poor hating sector at odds with the bible beaters, they hate that far right agenda but love their votes. what to do?

All evidence to contrary.

Liberals will continue to keep hoping for that, but both parties evolve over time. The above looks very much like sour grapes to me. :*)