IT'S ON!!!......For the Championship

[hungry]

Some of us actually played basketball so maybe we notice things you don't. It doesn't mean any one of us thinks we can do this better than JB. We just might notice something in the heat of the action and want to point it out.

Hard to convey those thoughts quickly when you're watching the game and trying to type on the board from your phone.

Yeah, yeah, I played basketball, too

Whoopdeedoo!!

I just don't go around posting about it acting like it is relevant in a conversation about MIchigan basketball.

 

[hungry]

Exactly. And going back through the first three pages of this thread, it was all perfectly normal, rational conversation. Matt and I talked about what bothers Cassius. We talked about defense. It was all fine. No need for the whole board police thing to come rolling through and pointing out that we don't know as much as Beilein. That's obvious.

Got it! So only you 3 are allowed to give your opinion.

It is my opinion that JB should keep doing what he is doing.

Don't like my post, it is always your option to ignore it, just like you suggest me to do to yours.

 

[thewolverines24]

Yeah, yeah, I played basketball, too

Whoopdeedoo!!

I just don't go around posting about it acting like it is relevant in a conversation about MIchigan basketball.

Thanks Captain Thought Police. How many years did it take to earn that badge?

Everyone stop posting about sports here. All of your thoughts, opinions, and comments are irrelevant because you're not our coach. Should make it a lot more fun around here.

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[hungry]

Thanks Captain Thought Police. How many years did it take to earn that badge?

Everyone stop posting about sports here. All of your thoughts, opinions, and comments are irrelevant because you're not our coach. Should make it a lot more fun around here.

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My opinion matters, too, right?

Like I said, others post a lot about basketball without 2nd guessing JB. I even named names.

 

[hungry]

OK. A couple of seasons ago, more like 4, we discussed that we would really like JB to address the atrocious defense. Obviously, JB doesn't even know this board exists, so he didn't listen to us, but he still realized that his defense sucked. I mean, it was like 200th in the nation or something really bad. That was a legit complaint of fans everywhere. The D stunk! Did JB change his philosophy midseason? No. He didn't. In the offseason, he hunted down a defensively minded assistant coach and gave him the keys to the defense. A year later, he had to do that again and hired Yaklich.

Now, fast forward to now. The D is awesome!! Yet, some fans still aren't satisfied and actually are asking JB to play more zone aka go back to what wasn't working 4 years ago. First of all, JB isn't going to run more zone. That would be Yaklich that some should be asking to run more zone. Again, he isn't going to do that, because he doesn't think that works, but it would be more legit than asking JB to do it. Then why would we want them to regress and run stuff they used to run that didn't work? The defense is awesome now. Complaints about defense are now not legit. The last 2 seasons, the d has been lights out.

The team has lost 4 games. Which games do we think that the team lost, because Yaklich refused to run zone defense?

 

[hungry]

The "auto-bench." This is confusing as to why fans would complain about this. There is no crystal ball to tell what would definitely happen IF JB didn't bench people for certain amounts of time after they pick up certain fouls.

I ask the same question, which of the 4 losses were caused by the "auto-bench?" I think there was one of the losses where Teske missed significant time in the 2nd half that might've contributed, but again, how do we know that he wouldn't have picked up another foul in the next minute if he was playing and not on the bench? The philosophy has worked in at least 26 games.

Look at the Maryland example with Zavier. He picked up his 3rd foul with about 18:30 to go. It was a very stupid foul about 30 feet from the basket. JB benched him for about 7 minutes. Michigan won the game. People say, "well, damn Zavier didn't get another foul the entire game...see!!" This was only after he was benched. We cannot sit here and say, "Damn! JB should've left him in for the last 18:30, because he didn't commit a foul the rest of the game." That would be impossible to predict. What happens if he doesn't get pulled and picks up foul #4 with 17 minutes to go? You think he would've been as effective as he was for the last 17 minutes with 4 fouls? I doubt it.

Please give examples of when JB should not have benched someone for fouls and it led to a loss.

The philosophy is working. The team is 26-4 and in contention for a very high seed in the tournament and possibly an outright or a share of the big 10 regular season title. I just don't see why fans should be spending so much time complaining about the coaching when it is working.

 

[hungry]

Sure, I'm guilty of it myself. I was sitting on the coach midway through the 2nd half of the Maryland game and I yelled out, "Dang! Quit shooting 3's and drive!" Thing is, I didn't post it. Then Michigan hit like 3 3's in the next 2 minutes and I looked stupid. I only looked stupid to myself, though, because no one knew I said that, well, until now. Now everyone knows.

 

[thewolverines24]

My opinion matters, too, right?



Like I said, others post a lot about basketball without 2nd guessing JB. I even named names.

Your opinion only matters if you run it by JB and he approves it before you post it here.

I do a ton of second guessing with JB like when I say "build that man a statue!" or "JB is the best coach in America".

BUT I haven't had those statements approved by JB, so they're null and void.

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[tinselwolverine]

Sure, I'm guilty of it myself. I was sitting on the coach midway through the 2nd half of the Maryland game and I yelled out, "Dang! Quit shooting 3's and drive!" Thing is, I didn't post it. Then Michigan hit like 3 3's in the next 2 minutes and I looked stupid. I only looked stupid to myself, though, because no one knew I said that, well, until now. Now everyone knows.

See, I wasn’t shouting “stop shooting threes and drive!”

I shouted “instead of shooting threes and missing them, start making them instead!”

EDIT: In all seriousness, when Simpson committed his third foul-and it truly was a dumb ass foul, I posted on the board about how dumb of a foul it was. I’m pretty sure everyone caught the JB interview about yanking Simpson at that point and JB concluding that that was one dumb foul and Simpson sure was going to hear about that.

 

[hungry]

See, I wasn?t shouting ?stop shooting threes and drive!?

I shouted ?instead of shooting threes and missing them, start making them instead!?

Much better advice than mine and Bob's. Bob is always telling the players to stop shooting 3's and to drive. Your way is better. I'm going to do that.

Start making 3's!!!

 

[hungry]

Your opinion only matters if you run it by JB and he approves it before you post it here.

I do a ton of second guessing with JB like when I say "build that man a statue!" or "JB is the best coach in America".

BUT I haven't had those statements approved by JB, so they're null and void.

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Having watched Michigan basketball since the early 80's, maybe I have a different perspective.

Yes. You do say a lot of positive things about the team. I like that you do that. Maybe i don't say that enough.

I remember the Ellerbe and Amaker days. I remember the early JB years. I tend to focus more on the positive and less on the negative, especially given where Michigan is now compared to where they've been.

Maybe I'm just saying certain fans need to be more focused on the positive in a 26-4, 15-4 season, instead of posting all of the negative things. I see much more negativity on this board than I do positive things from certain posters and it blows my mind.

it is similar to during football season, I see certain fans compare Harbaugh to RichRod and Hoke as if they are equals and that nothing has changed since then. It's insane!

 

[hungry]

See, I wasn?t shouting ?stop shooting threes and drive!?

I shouted ?instead of shooting threes and missing them, start making them instead!?

EDIT: In all seriousness, when Simpson committed his third foul-and it truly was a dumb ass foul, I posted on the board about how dumb of a foul it was. I?m pretty sure everyone caught the JB interview about yanking Simpson at that point and JB concluding that that was one dumb foul and Simpson sure was going to hear about that.

I see your edit and I agree. JB did the right thing and benched him. Zavier deserved to be benched for committing that dumb foul. Hopefully, it is a teachable moment. It probably was as Zavier didn't commit another dumb foul after he got back in. Hopefully, he thinks back to how he sat the bench for about 7 minutes in the Maryland game and doesn't do anything like that against MSU.

Of course, Michigan still won the game, so the benching didn't cause anything really bad to happen.

 

[hungry]

Your opinion only matters if you run it by JB and he approves it before you post it here.

I do a ton of second guessing with JB like when I say "build that man a statue!" or "JB is the best coach in America".

BUT I haven't had those statements approved by JB, so they're null and void.

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Dang! I really thought you wanted to talk about basketball. You just hate it that I disagree with you and agree with JB's philosophy and I post about it, don't you? You just want everyone to agree with you and then you can be happy. I gave you the chance to talk about basketball, but you just do this and whine.

 

[thewolverines24]

Having watched Michigan basketball since the early 80's, maybe I have a different perspective.



Yes. You do say a lot of positive things about the team. I like that you do that. Maybe i don't say that enough.



I remember the Ellerbe and Amaker days. I remember the early JB years. I tend to focus more on the positive and less on the negative, especially given where Michigan is now compared to where they've been.



Maybe I'm just saying certain fans need to be more focused on the positive in a 26-4, 15-4 season, instead of posting all of the negative things. I see much more negativity on this board than I do positive things from certain posters and it blows my mind.



it is similar to during football season, I see certain fans compare Harbaugh to RichRod and Hoke as if they are equals and that nothing has changed since then. It's insane!

I've been watching since the late 80s. I remember the dark years well. I watched every game and it killed me to see the program suck so much.

I'd say about the only negative I've brought up this year is Eli Brooks.

I am guilty of being overly negative about Harbaugh. He should donate half his salary to Yaklich so he doesn't leave.

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[thewolverines24]

Dang! I really thought you wanted to talk about basketball. You just hate it that I disagree with you and agree with JB's philosophy and I post about it, don't you? You just want everyone to agree with you and then you can be happy. I gave you the chance to talk about basketball, but you just do this and whine.

At what point have I disagreed with JB's philosophy? What are you talking about? Do you think I'm someone else?

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[hungry]

At what point have I disagreed with JB's philosophy? What are you talking about? Do you think I'm someone else?

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If I'm not talking to you, then why do you keep attacking me?

I agree with you about Eli Brooks, but it looks like JB does, too.

 

[thewolverines24]

If I'm not talking to you, then why do you keep attacking me?



I agree with you about Eli Brooks, but it looks like JB does, too.

Attacking you? OK, bud. I gave you a little sarcasm.

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[UMRules06]

The "auto-bench." This is confusing as to why fans would complain about this. There is no crystal ball to tell what would definitely happen IF JB didn't bench people for certain amounts of time after they pick up certain fouls.

I ask the same question, which of the 4 losses were caused by the "auto-bench?" I think there was one of the losses where Teske missed significant time in the 2nd half that might've contributed, but again, how do we know that he wouldn't have picked up another foul in the next minute if he was playing and not on the bench? The philosophy has worked in at least 26 games.

Look at the Maryland example with Zavier. He picked up his 3rd foul with about 18:30 to go. It was a very stupid foul about 30 feet from the basket. JB benched him for about 7 minutes. Michigan won the game. People say, "well, damn Zavier didn't get another foul the entire game...see!!" This was only after he was benched. We cannot sit here and say, "Damn! JB should've left him in for the last 18:30, because he didn't commit a foul the rest of the game." That would be impossible to predict. What happens if he doesn't get pulled and picks up foul #4 with 17 minutes to go? You think he would've been as effective as he was for the last 17 minutes with 4 fouls? I doubt it.

Please give examples of when JB should not have benched someone for fouls and it led to a loss.

The philosophy is working. The team is 26-4 and in contention for a very high seed in the tournament and possibly an outright or a share of the big 10 regular season title. I just don't see why fans should be spending so much time complaining about the coaching when it is working.

First of all let me preface this by saying that we all love JB here, so I really don't understand why we're having a big circle jerk over the few minor points of contention people at times bring up with him. They are just opinions after all.

Count me in the group that doesn't like the auto-bench philosophy. I do believe that a coach should be able to observe the happenings of a game and be able to make a decision that goes against his usual M.O. if the situation calls for it. And if you want a game that I thought it was an issue it was the Iowa loss with Jon Teske playing only 13 minutes. Iowa blitzed us on the inside in the first half and we fell behind and couldn't fully recover. I mentioned it in the game thread I believe. This is not to say that move directly led to the loss, but not having him out there hurt us pretty badly there's no question.

I will end by saying, this is not a huge issue. I wouldn't trade JB for any other coach out there. Love the guy. I just differ with him on that front, as I'm sure others do too. No biggie.

 

[TheVictors]

I just met Master P and his venture consultant.

Phi Slamma Jamma ....

 

[biggunsbob]

LOL I wish i was paid for coaching basketball. But sadly I only have you guys to talk to, and vent. He could learn alot from a 5'8 power forward with a 10 inch vertical like me!!!! I locked guys down on defense with my tapped up ankles !!

I like how the last 2 games Poole has taken it to heart to try and not be out of control as much on offense.. I have heard he was really mad at himself after the Msu game after watching the film. I just hate it when the offense falls in love with the three when we all know they have a few guys that can break guys down and get to the rim. I guess we have to live with because even though we were all mad at Teske starting 0-5 from three at Maryland his coach still wanted him to take that shot and he did in fact hit a dagger.

But you are right we were all mad at JB about the defense a few years back, and he went out and fixed it. In think we were all mad during the msu game because whatever we were trying was not working. Kudos to Izzo for having Winston play his best game against Simpson. I love our defense but sometimes wish we would throw something else at teams every now and then just to keep them guessing.

A few little things to discuss.
Why does Mathews take a step back on some of his drives to the bucket and make his shot harder. You guys all know what I am talking about. I sure hope his ankle heals.. I really feel that Poole could score a lot more if he drives to the buket more he is so fast.
Man the 10-15 foot jumper!!! Team needs to find a few of these!!
Man isn't Simpson's Sky hook a thing of beauty!!!
More Castleton !!

I have watched some Johns Jr High school games. I think we will be really good next year.. Hope so!!