Let's go get REVIS!!!!!!

[lionsFTW]

And then there's all these hacks that should just pack it in and turn their jobs over to you, mhughes, because they all certainly saw something in terms of real talent there with Young.

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/tr...2-season/efe29cd4-0caa-42af-b6f8-9572cc367ad9

http://footballfanspot.com/detroit-lions-potential-breakout-player-of-2012-titus-young

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dy-to-breakout-despite-his-offseason-troubles

http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k12_flagplanting

 

[Mitchrapp]

Eventually we have to stop the "They were good picks at the time.." BS and start getting picks that 10 years from now we can say "good player".

 

[lionsFTW]

Eventually people have to understand that if you were to give a GM 10 years worth of draft picks (70 picks) they would average about 18 guys who actually ended up becoming starters or better.

And that there's variance in this, so for two GM's of exactly equal talent, picking from the exact same spot in two different leagues, the odds of them having exactly the same success is 4^10 which is like 1 out of 1,048,576 :cheers:

 

[cheeno]

Eventually we have to stop the "They were good picks at the time.." BS and start getting picks that 10 years from now we can say "good player".

Agreed.

 

[tonyballs]

Man, you must be fuckin suicidal every time Tom Brady throws a TD, Cameron Wake has a sack or Arian Foster breaks a long run.

Fuck, get over it already.

I was begging for the Lions to take a look at Wake a few years back. Damn.

 

[mhughes0021]

I have no qualms with Millen about Roy Williams or Charles Rodgers. They were good picks at the time and saying anything else, as is with most of these things, is just being results oriented.

Let me ask you guys a question. If I offer to flip a coin with you but the stipulation is that you have to put up your entire net worth and I will put up double whatever that amount is, do you take the risk? If you do take the risk and lose was it a bad investment?

Detroit brought Torrey in before the draft for a workout just like they did with Titus so it's not like they didn't do their homework and were just throwing darts.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-torrey-smith-a-potential-second-round-target

Scout.com had Cobb, Titus, and Torrey all as four star guys (along with Jon Baldwin) but had the likes of Cecil Shorts (4th rounder) and Denarius Moore (5th rounder) as three star guys, does that make them hacks? Both of these guys appear to be on a higher career trajectory than Titus currently is.

http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2011&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=16

Does that make KC (Baldwin), Cleveland (Greg Little), Rams (Austin Pettis), Redskins (Hankerson), Chargers (Vincent Brown), Giants (Jerrell Jerinigan), Seahawks (Kris Durham), Dolphins (Edmond Gates), Rams (Greg Salas), Ravens (Tanden Doss) all incompetent for passing up on guys who are turning out to be pretty damn good? That's 1/3 of the entire fucking league (not to mention arguably the bombest GM's in the entire league in Newsome) that fucked up.

So going off your logic and the above we can only assume one of two conclusion.

1) That everybody other than you, mhughes, are just utter complete hacks at drafting because you seem to bat like 80% on all your picks?

2) The overall success of drafting a starter at ANY position outside of the 1st round is around 25% (declining more with each subsequent round by a lot) and that expecting a GM to bat even close to 50% in the draft is just complete nonsense and that you have a serious case of revisionist history and illusory superiority?

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1180349.html

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?38395-NFL-Draft-Success-by-Round

wana know when its hard to find starters later in the draft?...when youre picking 4th string WRs in the 2nd round like broyles. Wana know when you increase your % of finding starters later in the draft?....when you start picking players you actually fucking NEED. There have been plenty of oline and defensive personel we passed up the last couple years of drafts that would have been immediate starters on this team full of scrubs. Even shitty mayhew could have picked a safety that's better than the shit we had this year (wendling?....really?). Wana know when you increase your odds of missing on a 1st round pick?...when you pick a 150 lb rb from cal that has had multiple brain bruises before hes even stepped foot in the NFL. Wana know when else you decrease your odds of chosing a starter? When you keep doubling up and picking the same damn position like the 3 high round WRs weve chosen recently or the 2 high round RBs or 2 consecutive DTs. Wana know how else you increase your odds of missing on a 1st round starter? When you pick a OT in rd 1 and play him sparingly at fullback all year. Wana know how else you decrease your chances of finding a starter in the later rounds.....WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE ANY picks in the later rounds cause you trade them for scrubs like Whitehead and Thomas lmao! Last week I posted all the movement weve done over the years in the draft....its gotten us no where but has completely wiped out any chance of having quality depth.

 

[Mitchrapp]

"I will refuse to do what's smart and will continue to go after BPA even if its another DT that has no way of making this team" -- Mayhew.

 

[lionsFTW]

wana know when its hard to find starters later in the draft? when youre picking 4th string WRs in the 2nd round like broyles.

Conjecture

Wana know when you increase your % of finding starters later in the draft?....when you start picking players you actually fucking NEED.

More conjucture based on nothing more than your opinion and being results oriented.

There have been plenty of oline and defensive personel we passed up the last couple years of drafts that would have been immediate starters on this team full of scrubs.

False Dichotomy and Conjucture based on nothing more than your opinion.

Even shitty mayhew could have picked a safety that's better than the shit we had this year (wendling?....really?).

Hyperbole

Wana know when you increase your odds of missing on a 1st round pick?...when you pick a 150 lb rb from cal that has had multiple brain bruises before hes even stepped foot in the NFL.

Flat out lie and Hyperbole

Wana know when else you decrease your odds of chosing a starter? When you keep doubling up and picking the same damn position like the 3 high round WRs weve chosen recently or the 2 high round RBs or 2 consecutive DTs.

Correlation does not imply causation wrt these positions. They all serve a need and are certainly not a waste based on arguments that have already been pointed out to you and are 100% provable facts.

1) We run more 3 WR sets than any team in the league.

2) We play the 4/3, run the wide 9, and start not one but two DT's. The defensive line is a focal point of our defensive philosophy.)

3) Having specific RB's to fit the situation is becoming 100% standard in the NFL. Ask Belichic how ridiculous it is to use two high picks on RB's (Ridley/Vereen) who were drafted the same year no less.

Wana know how else you increase your odds of missing on a 1st round starter? When you pick a OT in rd 1 and play him sparingly at fullback all year.

Once again being results oriented. He's the franchise LT for the next decade until proven otherwise, which, last I checked, is like the #4 most important position in all of professional football in regards to % of cap allocated to need.

Also, you bitch about not drafting lineman and then bitch when we draft the guy who will play our most important offensive lineman position for the next 10 years. Get your fucking argument straight. . .

Wana know how else you decrease your chances of finding a starter in the later rounds.....WHEN YOU NEVER HAVE ANY picks in the later rounds cause you trade them for scrubs like Whitehead and Thomas lmao!

Last week I posted all the movement weve done over the years in the draft....its gotten us no where but has completely wiped out any chance of having quality depth.

More hyperbole that's already been debunked by posters (mainly LKP) who have provided actual, provable conclusions rather than just being a results oriented sandy vag. Also I will once again post this for you. This is scientific data (something provable) over a relatively large sample (meaning it holds actual water) and not just a random opinion (something unprovable which holds zero water). Please note that it shows anything past the 4th round is basically just throwing darts and anytime you can move a 4th or later for a person who you know can make an impact, you immediately pull the trigger based on provable data (like Mayhew has done with Houston, Williams, LoJack, Sims, Scheffler, Thomas, Hill, etc.)

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1180349.html

Slow down, read the argument that's before you, form an actual rebuttal with actual points that need to be argued against rather than a bunch of talking and hand waving. Your words have next to zero content. The signal to noise ratio with you is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Mitchrapp]

'Hughes says some nonsense and that's okay, he's frustrated, like many of us. But he has some good points, most notably drafting luxury over need. Its okay to draft for the future and no one knew Titus would flake out. But drafting a WR to eventually take over for Nate, which is what this pick was, over a S that we needed is asinine. Or a CB. You can't ignore need for this long.

BPA was okay when you're 0-16 the year before, but not now.

 

[tomdalton22]

'Hughes says some nonsense and that's okay, he's frustrated, like many of us. But he has some good points, most notably drafting luxury over need. Its okay to draft for the future and no one knew Titus would flake out. But drafting a WR to eventually take over for Nate, which is what this pick was, over a S that we needed is asinine. Or a CB. You can't ignore need for this long.

BPA was okay when you're 0-16 the year before, but not now.

None of us knew that Titus would "flake out" but I think with a little digging and a thorough interview a good organization would have picked up on some red flags. Just look at his tweets...there is no way he could hide his stupidity and imaturity during the interview process.

 

[Mitchrapp]

None of us knew that Titus would "flake out" but I think with a little digging and a thorough interview a good organization would have picked up on some red flags. Just look at his tweets...there is no way he could hide his stupidity and imaturity during the interview process.

That's not the point. Broyles, especially coming from injury, was a future luxury pick. We sure could have used some secondary help. And Titus had a fine rookie season. No way Mayhew saw his meltdown coming. And yeah, you can hide a lot in an interview.

 

[tomdalton22]

That's not the point. Broyles, especially coming from injury, was a future luxury pick. We sure could have used some secondary help. And Titus had a fine rookie season. No way Mayhew saw his meltdown coming. And yeah, you can hide a lot in an interview.

There is no way Titus Young could hide his stupidity in an interview unless the person doing the interview is a total moron.

I get your opinion about Broyles being a luxury pick. Best was a huge gamble that didn't pay off.

 

[Mitchrapp]

There is no way Titus Young could hide his stupidity in an interview unless the person doing the interview is a total moron.

I get your opinion about Broyles being a luxury pick. Best was a huge gamble that didn't pay off.

What stupidly? Did he line up in the wrong spot during the interview? Did he not speak English during the interview?

 

[wheels002]

I actually have started to wonder if the reason we took Broyles is because maybe Titus was starting to show his true colors late last year it just wasnt talked about. I just have a hard time thinking he could be perfect one year then a fuck up the next.

 

[coel73]

Boom or Bust lol.

Per Dave Birkett, they are replacing the turf that's been in ford field since 2002. They really are doing everything short of firing the main dudes at the center of this mess. I hope they get it together this year because should they not, there's not much left to blame it on after next year.

 

[tomdalton22]

What stupidly? Did he line up in the wrong spot during the interview? Did he not speak English during the interview?

look at his tweets....there is no way this retard could hide his stupidity in an interview.

 

[mhughes0021]

More hyperbole that's already been debunked by posters (mainly LKP) who have provided actual, provable conclusions rather than just being a results oriented sandy vag. Also I will once again post this for you. This is scientific data (something provable) over a relatively large sample (meaning it holds actual water) and not just a random opinion (something unprovable which holds zero water). Please note that it shows anything past the 4th round is basically just throwing darts and anytime you can move a 4th or later for a person who you know can make an impact, you immediately pull the trigger based on provable data (like Mayhew has done with Houston, Williams, LoJack, Sims, Scheffler, Thomas, Hill, etc.)

http://cfn.scout.com/2/1180349.html

Slow down, read the argument that's before you, form an actual rebuttal with actual points that need to be argued against rather than a bunch of talking and hand waving. Your words have next to zero content. The signal to noise ratio with you is fucking ridiculous.

Our DTs are rotational players now and actually only saw more time on the field cause CW was out most of the year.

I dont bitch about taking olineman early....i bitch about FINALLY taking them and then chosing not to play them all year. Get your facts straight.

Neither LKP or yourself have provable factual evidence as you claim. My argument is the one providing the factual evidence....that our draft picks over the last 3 years have produced very little and we suck. Both arguments are very easy to proove. 0-6, worst in the division on offense, worst in the division on defense, 4 wins all year. None of it is opinion. Its all backed by numbers. LKPs idea of provable factual data is "broyles will be good someday." or a personal favorite is still when he said we SHOULD HAVE been 9-3 to start 2012'. provable BWAHAhahahaha, factual LMAO....my ass.

 

[mhughes0021]

There is no way Titus Young could hide his stupidity in an interview unless the person doing the interview is a total moron.

I get your opinion about Broyles being a luxury pick. Best was a huge gamble that didn't pay off.

Weve been in no position to gamble OR take luxory picks....way too many holes on this team. And since people on this board want factual evidence to support it. Broyles played a couple games this year and Best ran for 0 yards.

 

[cheeno]

Apparently excuses=facts.

 

[tonyballs]

look at his tweets....there is no way this retard could hide his stupidity in an interview.

lol. Wtf are you yammering about? You think he acted like that at the combine and during his team interviews? Get your fn head out of your ass, man.