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[lgolfer]

U do realize we have one of CB corps I'm football right?

You do realize you don't write understandable English half the time, right? And in this case, LKP's right. Houston will not be cut until at least after the 2014 season because of how his contract is structured and the associated cap hit the Lions would have if they cut him now.

 

[cheeno]

You do realize you don't write understandable English half the time, right? And in this case, LKP's right. Houston will not be cut until at least after the 2014 season because of how his contract is structured and the associated cap hit the Lions would have if they cut him now.

I'm pretty sure he is texting his posts. This is the picture I have in my mind when they come out all jumbled up (substitute Homer's phone for a cellphone):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZYKVNT-VWA

 

[mhughes0021]

Pretty valid remarks IMO. I know these questions weren't addressed at me but I'd like to take a crack.

I am confident our secondary will improve this year just on coaching alone, and I am not counting on Houston for shit. He sucks, he sucked, and he will suck in the future. If they can bring Mathis back that will help, he still has something in the tank. Slay will be a solid starter at least at the #2 CB spot if I had to put my prognosticator hat on.

DE is a huge need. I would be looking at DE at 10 and have said it numerous times in the draft threads. Ealy looks like a natural and I think his stock will rise, 6'5 275 with multiple moves? What's not to like. DE first two rounds.

We can't get a stud #2 outside of Watkins true. But we can get serious upgrades over Blanco Nino and a long in the tooth Burleson. Hughes has posted a half dozen guys that will be available from rounds 2-4 with serious upside. Have to go Pats draft here and take multples at that position because of Mayhew's misses and tendency to miss.

i actually like mathis at safety to be honest....slay is a starter. Houston is either the #2 or #3 depending on if we go cb in rd 1. If we don't go cb in rd 1 don't bother drafting one at this point. We have too many second rate corners on the roster as is.

#2 WR will be found in the draft....but don't count on anything groundbreaking...im guessing it will be grooming a mid round pick and using an over the hill underperforming nate as our #2 on a discount.

we have 1 DE worth a crap on the roster in ansah and taylor is a decent back up/rotational guy. Save Jones' money and draft a DE...resign young. Young/Ansah start....taylor/rookie rotate. Again...nothing groundbreaking here to get excited about unless the small chance Clowney falls...which would be ridiculous.

 

[kmd47]

.0009% chance Clowney falls and I say no thanks to Willie Young. IDK what the cap hit would be on cutting Jones, but I say just roll with Jones Taylor Ansah and a draft pick. Jones looked decent when he actually was on the field and depending on the cap hit, if the hit isn't too bad cut him and look for better options, but for now I say roll with him.

 

[lgolfer]

.0009% chance Clowney falls and I say no thanks to Willie Young. IDK what the cap hit would be on cutting Jones, but I say just roll with Jones Taylor Ansah and a draft pick. Jones looked decent when he actually was on the field and depending on the cap hit, if the hit isn't too bad cut him and look for better options, but for now I say roll with him.

I also thought Jones looked decent at the beginning of the year, but I don't know how he'll play coming back from his ruptured patellar tendon, which is why depending on the money we'd get from cutting him, I'd be fine trying to replace him.

 

[michiganalex]

The building blocks that are there cost too much and will cost even more to keep longer (suh). Smart people see that (hughes, Dalton). Football people see that (schwartz said it this week). Dumb people are blind to it (alex, lkp). Not to mention your " building block" qb knocked the entire castle over last year.

Neither u or dalton is intelligent. Or ud see that I have been giving lkp just as much grief as u

 

[michiganalex]

You do realize you don't write understandable English half the time, right? And in this case, LKP's right. Houston will not be cut until at least after the 2014 season because of how his contract is structured and the associated cap hit the Lions would have if they cut him now.

I was referring his comments on the others. He thinks there r the greatest in football. After grandy posted about houston's cap numbers I understood on him.

 

[LKP]

Playing realist/devil's advocate, I have a few questions for you.
What if Houston doesn't get back to 2011/2012 form? Are you confident that Green or Greenwood can be a good #2 CB in 2014?

How are we set at DE? Ansah should be good if he stays healthy, but do you think Jason Jones or Devin Taylor can beat their 1v1 matchups with any regularity? I like Taylor as a solid backup, but not as a starter in 2014. And who knows what Jones will be like coming back from injury.

Where do you suggest Mayhew gets a great #2 WR? I think Sammy Watkins would fit that need perfectly, but it sounds like he won't make it to us. I don't think Mike Evans or any other WR in the draft is guaranteed to be a great #2 in 2014 and I don't think the Lions have the money to go after a great #2 WR in free agency since they'll need to use that money for other positions like safety, another WR, maybe a DE, etc...

And I'd appreciate if you respond to each of my 3 questions instead of answering one and skipping the rest like you normally do.

Yes on both green and greenwood for a number 2. When they played they did well. Or Mathis back cheap too.

Yes on jones, Taylor could develop but we get young back IMO. Plenty of de power with those four.

I like mike Evans. Give me Evans then Brandin cooks round 2. Don't need 1,000 yard guy. Need 750 6 td guy at number 2.

 

[lgolfer]

Yes on both green and greenwood for a number 2. When they played they did well. Or Mathis back cheap too.

Yes on jones, Taylor could develop but we get young back IMO. Plenty of de power with those four.

I like mike Evans. Give me Evans then Brandin cooks round 2. Don't need 1,000 yard guy. Need 750 6 td guy at number 2.

First off, thank you for responding to all my questions and responding with concise answers.
Responding to your answers: I'm not sure I'm comfortable starting Green or Greenwood yet. But I'm curious to see how they progress now with Teryl Austin and the other new defensive coaches who I think will help them.

If we're starting Ansah and Jones with Young and Taylor as backups, I think that'd be mediocre at the DE position. Like I mentioned before, I like Ansah and I think Taylor could be pretty good (curious to see if he takes the next step this offseason). I thought Willie Young was a solid backup last year (I'd be fine resigning him) and we'll see how Jones returns from his bad injury (if he has the same abilities). But if Ansah is injured again, I'm not too excited to be starting 2 of the 3 other guys I just listed. I don't think they'd be able to consistently take advantage of the 1v1 matchups provided by Suh and Fairley. I'd like to see better depth at the DE position.

Personally, I'm not too excited about Mike Evans. Like has been mentioned before, he greatly benefited from Manziel's ability to extend the play. Most of his catches didn't require precise route running and I don't know if he has enough speed to draw a safety over the top. His best attribute is his ability is his hands (jump balls).
Also, Brandin Cooks isn't likely to be available in the 2nd round. From the mocks I've seen, he's being taken anywhere from the middle of the 1st round to the end of the 1st round. I think he could be a very productive slot WR, but he's too small and too poor of a blocker to be lining up on the outside.

 

[mhughes0021]

Yes on both green and greenwood for a number 2. When they played they did well. Or Mathis back cheap too.

Yes on jones, Taylor could develop but we get young back IMO. Plenty of de power with those four.

I like mike Evans. Give me Evans then Brandin cooks round 2. Don't need 1,000 yard guy. Need 750 6 td guy at number 2.

they wont play green or greenwood over Houston. Need to improve the position or else we will be seeing Houston and slay.

 

[lgolfer]

they wont play green or greenwood over Houston. Need to improve the position or else we will be seeing Houston and slay.

He wasn't saying they should be the #2 CB, he was just answering my question of if he's fine with them being our #2 in any scenario. And that's a debatable point, but he answered my question, which I appreciated.

 

[LKP]

Greenwood and Green haven't been torched at all when played. In fact, we had some strong defensive performance with them playing. Ravens game no TDs with a strong Green second half, Giants second half with Greenwood and Green both starting and Vikings game playing some. These guys have size, speed. The talent is there. Are they are Maxwell and Browner. We shall see. Nobody is a Sherman. He's a lucky shut down CB find in Round 5.

But anyway, I am really confident in Houston getting back to 2011/2012 form. I know everyone dwells on 2013 (5 long TDs allowed and the Gordon beating), but that doesn't mean he'll play like that forever. He has 3 strongers years for Detroit out of 4. Everyone bashes on the Lions for more losing seasons and discredits the one year of playoffs in 2011. And then you do the opposite with Houston, focus on one year and discredit 3 other good seasons. Plus Houston did have some good games in 2013 as well that are just flat out ignored. Everyone seems to only remember the James Jones, AJ Green/Marvin Jones and Tiquan Underwood TDs when he had a ton of other snaps.

Evans gets separation is what I've seen, especially on deep balls. Plus good hands. Like I said, give me 750 yards and 6 TDs.

That DE group did just fine this year with Jones down most of the year. Better coverage and the sacks will come. Plus Ansah and Taylor should grow. And the hits and hurries are where they need to be. Most teams (other than Seattle for one year signing 2 free agents) aren't 4 deep like that at DE.

 

[tonyballs]

Greenwood and Green haven't been torched at all when played. In fact, we had some strong defensive performance with them playing. Ravens game no TDs with a strong Green second half, Giants second half with Greenwood and Green both starting and Vikings game playing some. These guys have size, speed. The talent is there. Are they are Maxwell and Browner. We shall see. Nobody is a Sherman. He's a lucky shut down CB find in Round 5.

But anyway, I am really confident in Houston getting back to 2011/2012 form. I know everyone dwells on 2013 (5 long TDs allowed and the Gordon beating), but that doesn't mean he'll play like that forever. He has 3 strongers years for Detroit out of 4. Everyone bashes on the Lions for more losing seasons and discredits the one year of playoffs in 2011. And then you do the opposite with Houston, focus on one year and discredit 3 other good seasons. Plus Houston did have some good games in 2013 as well that are just flat out ignored. Everyone seems to only remember the James Jones, AJ Green/Marvin Jones and Tiquan Underwood TDs when he had a ton of other snaps.

Evans gets separation is what I've seen, especially on deep balls. Plus good hands. Like I said, give me 750 yards and 6 TDs.

That DE group did just fine this year with Jones down most of the year. Better coverage and the sacks will come. Plus Ansah and Taylor should grow. And the hits and hurries are where they need to be. Most teams (other than Seattle for one year signing 2 free agents) aren't 4 deep like that at DE.

Doesn't get any luckier than Richard Sherman. The guy used to be a WR for fk sakes. Now he's the best CB in the league lol. Ok, that's good scouting but that's big time luck. 5th round wow

 

[LKP]

Doesn't get any luckier than Richard Sherman. The guy used to be a WR for fk sakes. Now he's the best CB in the league lol. Ok, that's good scouting but that's big time luck. 5th round wow

Good scouting that he's a good CB. But the fact he's a damn shut down CB, that's so rare and in the 5th round. Plus we don't know what the Seahawks draft board actually looked like. They could have had all the poor Round 2-4 CBs who went before Sherman rated ahead of Sherman too.

I feel like people sometimes just assume the Seahawks had Sherman rated the top CB on their board and knew they were getting him as a steal. Maybe they had him rated as a 5th round CB and it's just lucky pick plus good coaching/Sherman working hard to develop.

 

[tonyballs]

Good scouting that he's a good CB. But the fact he's a damn shut down CB, that's so rare and in the 5th round. Plus we don't know what the Seahawks draft board actually looked like. They could have had all the poor Round 2-4 CBs who went before Sherman rated ahead of Sherman too.

I feel like people sometimes just assume the Seahawks had Sherman rated the top CB on their board and knew they were getting him as a steal. Maybe they had him rated as a 5th round CB and it's just lucky pick plus good coaching/Sherman working hard to develop.

Rare? It's absolutely unheard of. Draft history of CB's in the NFL proves it. The Seahawks had a horseshoe up their ass when they picked him. Nobody in their right mind thought this kid was going to be the next Deion Sanders. Wait until his payday .....Ooooooooweee!!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Well then the Lions need to dig that horseshoe out..we need some fuckin' luck.

 

[mhughes0021]

Rare? It's absolutely unheard of. Draft history of CB's in the NFL proves it. The Seahawks had a horseshoe up their ass when they picked him. Nobody in their right mind thought this kid was going to be the next Deion Sanders. Wait until his payday .....Ooooooooweee!!

Pete Carrol played against him a bunch....it wasn't that unheard of/lucky.

 

[brewer229]

If they had any clue how good Sherman would be they wouldn't of waited untiltye fifth to take him. He was projected in the 4-6 round range. There was some luck there for sure.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/round/5/pick/23

My favorite part of the above link is the statement that scouts compare him to amari spievay.

 

[mhughes0021]

He wasn't saying they should be the #2 CB, he was just answering my question of if he's fine with them being our #2 in any scenario. And that's a debatable point, but he answered my question, which I appreciated.

totally understood, I was actually referring to having not much faith in our organization actually developing talent....it wasn't in response to lkp. Now...to be fair there is a new regime in town....and ill give them a chance to surprise me. But if you had Houston on your roster with the old regime....hed be the starter no matter how he played last year. And the back ups would continue to be back ups. Im still hoping for gilbert via draft or DRC in FA to take over our #1 spot. Develop Slay as the #2....Bentley in the slot....Let Houston come in when we need 4 corners on the field.

 

[mhughes0021]

If they had any clue how good Sherman would be they wouldn't of waited untiltye fifth to take him. He was projected in the 4-6 round range. There was some luck there for sure.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2011/round/5/pick/23

My favorite part of the above link is the statement that scouts compare him to amari spievay.

Totally, ive always said anytime you hit on a corner after round 1 its lucky. To get a shut down corner that late is absolutely unheard of. But to say they didn't know he had any talent is unfair...carrol was familiar with him. Carrol had very very talented receivers...Sherman played against good competition when he faced them. Carrol saw first hand how he would fare.