MSU pres. Resigns

[Gulo Blue]

It'll be investigated. This we know.

...apparently by a Spartan booster.

 

[hungry]

How convenient

 

[Gulo Blue]

Looks like Michigan hired Pepper Hamilton in 2016.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...-michigan-sex-assault-investigation/85340204/

Wonder if we have any "no paper trail" reports.

This feels shady.

 

[Sbee]

They were promptly dismissed, 2 weeks before they would be expelled. Don't act like Dantonio didn't know that. His act of dismissing them is completely meaningless in that light.

I'm still waiting for you to say how he could have handled it better?

Dantonio made aware of the incident, tells title 9 office immediately, players removed from student housing, MD has no contact with them during the investigation. When charges are announced, they're kicked off the team, and eventually removed from the university (which is meaningless anyway, since they would have left since they can't play football).

That is how you handle a situation properly, ESPN is insinuating that he didn't handle them properly.

 

[Sbee]

I'm not convinced either has done everything on the up and up. Certain MSU fans are convinced that one or both did everything correctly. Well, all of the investigators aren't convinced either. This is why there will be an investigation.

I really question Izzo more than Dantonio. There is the whole "new territory" bs, but that alone isn't enough to sink him. Izzo? There are still a lot of questions there. Why continue to play Appling and Payne while a title IX investigation and a criminal investigation were in the works? What really happened and what did Izzo know? Why did the ADA decide to not press charges when the police recommended them? Weird that she is now employed by MSU. The Walton thing. Letting him coach while under investigation for littering. Why did he really leave? Was he fired? Did he leave on his own? Izzo can't remember? It doesn't add up.

Maybe I'm biased because I work with criminals all day or maybe I just have more education and experience in these matters. You might even say I'm an expert on the subject due to my education and 20 years in the criminal justice field.

We'll see. Like Bob says, if there's nothing to worry about it, then so be it. It'll be investigated. This we know.

The decision to clear Appling and Payne came on October 10th, 2010, we didn't open the season until a month later. No reason for them to be suspended during the investigation since it was over before the season started.

We do need some more answers in the Walton thing, but as for Izzo saying that he didn't know why he left, I can see that, as bad as it sounds. Walton left to go play professionally in Europe, but Izzo wasn't made aware of the rape allegations until 2011, over a year after he left MSU. He likely didn't know if it had to do with that allegation or not since he left a year before it. You can question why he was still allowed on to be a part of the program with the allegations of assaulting a female student, that's very valid and Izzo should answer that question.

Also, point of information, Walton wasn't a coach, more like a student manager. He couldn't have the title of graduate assistant because he hadn't graduated, he was not an assistant coach. If anything, he was a graduate manager. Labeling him as a coach is incorrect.

 

[hungry]

Maybe he handled it correctly, maybe not. Maybe he handled all of the other ones correctly.

There were some things that I thought were still fishy on the most recent incident. I can't really remember what they were. Some things with the recruiting coordinator. I'd have to look at it all again.

Like I said, though, there's a lot there over the course of his career. Players getting investigated, arrested, doing jail time, some playing immediately after getting jail time, sexual assault allegations, just a lot of potential and actual criminal activity. Where does LJ Scott get all of that money to pay all of those fines. It just seems more than what should be typical. Hockey house fights/assaults, dorm raids, just a lot of stuff.

 

[Sbee]

Maybe he handled it correctly, maybe not. Maybe he handled all of the other ones correctly.

There were some things that I thought were still fishy on the most recent incident. I can't really remember what they were. Some things with the recruiting coordinator. I'd have to look at it all again.

Like I said, though, there's a lot there over the course of his career. Players getting investigated, arrested, doing jail time, some playing immediately after getting jail time, sexual assault allegations, just a lot of potential and actual criminal activity. Where does LJ Scott get all of that money to pay all of those fines. It just seems more than what should be typical. Hockey house fights/assaults, dorm raids, just a lot of stuff.

There were with Curtis Blackwell, you are correct. he was a former coach at Detroit King, knew the kids well at least Vance and Corley. The players came to him first, he called their parents, didn't report it to title 9. He was placed on administrative leave, the later fired.

LJ Scott getting money to pay the fines? maybe he had the money, maybe his parents gave it to him.

All D1 athletic programs live in a glass house when it comes to off the field issues. The spotlight is on MSU and they have issues to address, but I don't think what happens with students athletes at MSU is very different than other schools.

 

[Sbee]

Travis Walton released a statement

https://twitter.com/MikeSullivan/st...eads/travis-walton-releases-statement.159749/

 

[Michchamp]

Travis Walton released a statement

https://twitter.com/MikeSullivan/st...eads/travis-walton-releases-statement.159749/

Bullet point #3 is the best.

 

[Michchamp]

Looks like Michigan hired Pepper Hamilton in 2016.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/lo...-michigan-sex-assault-investigation/85340204/

Wonder if we have any "no paper trail" reports.

This feels shady.

I guess it's okay to hire them to defend you, but to "exonerate" you, not so much.

I Wonder what it's like to work at that firm? maybe something like this these days...

associate attorney: "BOSS! another college was named in a Title IX lawsuit!"

partner: *turns to window quietly for a second, and folds his hands like he's going to reflect on the scourge of gender inequality and sexual assault on campus, but then rapidly spins around on his excutive chair making dramatic gestures with his arms* "CHA-CHING! Let's churn those billable hours, baby!"​

 

[Gulo Blue]

I guess it's okay to hire them to defend you, but to "exonerate" you, not so much.

I Wonder what it's like to work at that firm? maybe something like this these days...

associate attorney: "BOSS! another college was named in a Title IX lawsuit!"

partner: *turns to window quietly for a second, and folds his hands like he's going to reflect on the scourge of gender inequality and sexual assault on campus, but then rapidly spins around on his excutive chair making dramatic gestures with his arms* "CHA-CHING! Let's churn those billable hours, baby!"​

If Pepper Hamilton is one of the top firms in this space, so be it. It's the verbal reports to dodge FIOA (which we don't KNOW happened at Michigan) that I don't like.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe once but not a bunch of times and no I do not think the guy litered. So you don't think Walton hit the girl 1 or 2 times in the bar ? You believe Payne when he said he stopped but his roommate (Appling) wanted more sex so we are lead to believe Keith talked her into more consensual sex? That is such bullshit that you believe both players but not the girl when she said NO!!!

Talk about fandom you're all over this message board protecting MSU when both the president and the AD resigned in one week. Wtf sbee .People dont so that unless they are worried about Something. Especially the AD.
So don't sit here and think Msu is not in trouble . Oh and btw I do not want either Mark or Tom fired at all but if they have not done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about and they can lawyer up and msu can Sue ESPN.

This is definitely not true. The lynch mob takes down innocent people all the time (George Zimmerman, Darren Wilson, etc). Irresponsible journalism like the OTL report can lead to guilty verdicts in the court of public opinion and innocent people get taken down because of the firestorm. If the negative publicity gets bad enough, the University may succumb to pressure and cut them loose to appease the crowd. To say they have nothing to worry about is simply not true.

Like Valenti said in his piece, in today's world "you either join the mob or get consumed by it."

 

[Gulo Blue]

Like Valenti said in his piece, in today's world "you either join the mob or get consumed by it."

If Valenti is correct, he will be consumed by the mob.

Edit: ...but I agree with the premise, the mob of public opinion is not consistently correct.

 

[Spartanmack]

Again I do not disagree with some of what you say at all but if Msu feels it was wronged by ESPN it should sue them .Yeah there is alot of he said she said on the sexual incidents and I guess all the MSU players were cleared either in house or by the police lol.. Guess they didnt believe any of the women.

This is definitely not true. The OTL report ignores all the cases where players were suspended, kicked off the team and expelled from the University. Many of the women have been believed and so far it seems their cases were all investigated by the school and/or law enforcement.

There does seem to be a pattern at least we agree on that . Espn is not backing down as they keep showing the piece . So either msu is right or ESPN is right.
Again if Mark or Tom are clean they should sue espn. A lot of cases were kept in house. Sadly this is probably going on on every campus in America but there are some really bad shit you are defending sbee.
Msu was not transparent at all. They fought tough and nail to keep this information from seeing the light of day.

Simons, and Hollis would not have resigned if there was nothing there. Mark lied when he said he was there 11 years and this was the first time he has heard of this problem. So did they know or not know ?

Nobody agrees on any pattern, I don't know where you're getting that from. And again, resigning due to relentless pressure and admitting guilt aren't the same thing. This is the classic case of shoot first, ask questions later.

 

[Gulo Blue]

If we get really cynical with regard to MSU, the driving motivation in terms of money is minimizing liability with regard to Nassar. The potential there is much bigger than anything going on with the football or basketball teams. The motivation to sweep things under the rug could be entirely driven by higher ups, and could have nothing to do with Dantonio or Izzo. They could even be intentionally kept in the dark - or sacrificed to the mob if it could somehow help make MSU look good as decision are being made with respect to Nassar and liability.

...if we're willing to be cynical.

 

[Spartanmack]

Maybe he handled it correctly, maybe not. Maybe he handled all of the other ones correctly.

There were some things that I thought were still fishy on the most recent incident. I can't really remember what they were. Some things with the recruiting coordinator. I'd have to look at it all again.

Like I said, though, there's a lot there over the course of his career. Players getting investigated, arrested, doing jail time, some playing immediately after getting jail time, sexual assault allegations, just a lot of potential and actual criminal activity. Where does LJ Scott get all of that money to pay all of those fines. It just seems more than what should be typical. Hockey house fights/assaults, dorm raids, just a lot of stuff.

"I can't remember what they were" but "just a lot of stuff"...spoken like an expert in criminal justice - someone with a degree, training and at least 20 years of experience. When it seems like more than should be typical, you know there's something there. You've changed my mind. I'm now convinced they should both definitely resign.

Word of caution, if you weren't Spartan bashing, singling out LJ Scott with that presumptive comment could get you accused of racism by some of the uofm posters here.

 

[dubbsco]

This is definitely not true. The lynch mob takes down innocent people all the time (George Zimmerman, Darren Wilson, etc). Irresponsible journalism like the OTL report can lead to guilty verdicts in the court of public opinion and innocent people get taken down because of the firestorm. If the negative publicity gets bad enough, the University may succumb to pressure and cut them loose to appease the crowd. To say they have nothing to worry about is simply not true.

Like Valenti said in his piece, in today's world "you either join the mob or get consumed by it."

I find it ABSOLUTELY fucking hilarious about how many people here and on the RCMB have slammed Valenti for years, basically disowning him and saying he doesn't represent Michigan State, and he needs to go back to New York.

Now, he's the MSU white knight for the fan base.

What a joke.

 

[Spartanmack]

If Valenti is correct, he will be consumed by the mob.

Edit: ...but I agree with the premise, the mob of public opinion is not consistently correct.

It's possible, but the mob calling for MD and TO is in the early stages and Valenti, like everyone else is on the side of the mob where Nassar is concerned. He's also already said he would personally strike the match to burn down the school (speaking figuratively, of course in case Hungry is reading this) if Izzo and Dantonio are found to have done what ESPN insinuated in their grossly irresponsible piece.

 

[Spartanmack]

I find it ABSOLUTELY fucking hilarious about how many people here and on the RCMB have slammed Valenti for years, basically disowning him and saying he doesn't represent Michigan State, and he needs to go back to New York.

Now, he's the MSU white knight for the fan base.

What a joke.

I'd never even heard of Valenti until I saw the video sbee posted yesterday from his show. I'm not saying he does or doesn't represent Michigan State or that he's the white knight - but I do agree with his take on the OTL piece.

Do you have something worthwhile to say about it or are you just obfuscating?

 

[Gulo Blue]

It's possible, but the mob calling for MD and TO is in the early stages and Valenti, like everyone else is on the side of the mob where Nassar is concerned. He's also already said he would personally strike the match to burn down the school (speaking figuratively, of course in case Hungry is reading this) if Izzo and Dantonio are found to have done what ESPN insinuated in their grossly irresponsible piece.

I don't think he will be consumed by the mob. Just pointing out that in addition to "join the mob or be consumed by it", he was also not joining the mob. So by his own claims, he should be consumed by the mob.