MSU pres. Resigns

[dubbsco]

I'd never even heard of Valenti until I saw the video sbee posted yesterday from his show. I'm not saying he does or doesn't represent Michigan State or that he's the white knight - but I do agree with his take on the OTL piece.

Do you have something worthwhile to say about it or are you just obfuscating?

I've already said everything I've needed to say about it. I think your university has a lot to answer for, but I haven't joined the mob or joined the side that Izzo/Dantonio need to resign until all the facts are out. Believe it or not, I'm actually waiting to see how things play out and I don't side with "the mob." So I tend to steer more towards your side of the argument.

I just find it hilarious that Valenti has become the savior for so many on here and elsewhere, after basically being all but disowned from the school.

 

[Spartanmack]

I don't think he will be consumed by the mob. Just pointing out that in addition to "join the mob or be consumed by it", he was also not joining the mob. So by his own claims, he should be consumed by the mob.

hopefully, for his sake, he will be the exception that makes it a rule.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I'd never even heard of Valenti until I saw the video sbee posted yesterday from his show. I'm not saying he does or doesn't represent Michigan State or that he's the white knight - but I do agree with his take on the OTL piece.

Do you have something worthwhile to say about it or are you just obfuscating?

He's got a fairly famous audio clip about MSU choking for several years ago that anyone that spends as much time on these boards as we do probably heard.

 

[gotime909]

I'm not convinced either has done everything on the up and up. Certain MSU fans are convinced that one or both did everything correctly. Well, all of the investigators aren't convinced either. This is why there will be an investigation.

I really question Izzo more than Dantonio. There is the whole "new territory" bs, but that alone isn't enough to sink him. Izzo? There are still a lot of questions there. Why continue to play Appling and Payne while a title IX investigation and a criminal investigation were in the works? What really happened and what did Izzo know? Why did the ADA decide to not press charges when the police recommended them? Weird that she is now employed by MSU. The Walton thing. Letting him coach while under investigation for littering. Why did he really leave? Was he fired? Did he leave on his own? Izzo can't remember? It doesn't add up.

Maybe I'm biased because I work with criminals all day or maybe I just have more education and experience in these matters. You might even say I'm an expert on the subject due to my education and 20 years in the criminal justice field.

We'll see. Like Bob says, if there's nothing to worry about it, then so be it. It'll be investigated. This we know.

Or maybe you just couldn’t get any ass while at State

 

[hungry]

There were with Curtis Blackwell, you are correct. he was a former coach at Detroit King, knew the kids well at least Vance and Corley. The players came to him first, he called their parents, didn't report it to title 9. He was placed on administrative leave, the later fired.

LJ Scott getting money to pay the fines? maybe he had the money, maybe his parents gave it to him.

All D1 athletic programs live in a glass house when it comes to off the field issues. The spotlight is on MSU and they have issues to address, but I don't think what happens with students athletes at MSU is very different than other schools.

It all just seems like a lot of stuff. Maybe it is no more than other schools. Seems to me that it is. Remember, no one is perfect, you, me, Mark Dantonio, Tom Izzo, everyone. We all make mistakes. We all do things wrong. Mark Dantonio stands up there and says he's never done anything wrong. That just doesn't sound right to me. It's a big file, files. They'll go through everything, I hope. He better hope he's right.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've already said everything I've needed to say about it. I think your university has a lot to answer for, but I haven't joined the mob or joined the side that Izzo/Dantonio need to resign until all the facts are out. Believe it or not, I'm actually waiting to see how things play out and I don't side with "the mob." So I tend to steer more towards your side of the argument.

I just find it hilarious that Valenti has become the savior for so many on here and elsewhere, after basically being all but disowned from the school.

again, I don't think he's anyone's savior - I'm merely giving attribution for the quote. I didn't get my opinion from him, I just happened to agree with his take and even people who may or may not slam him over the years would agree with him now. Disliking someone doesn't preclude you from agreeing with anything they say - it doesn't even preclude from giving them credit when they get something right.

I've known about him for a day, so far he's batting 1.000 as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Michchamp]

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Do you have something worthwhile to say about it or are you just obfuscating?

pot, kettle

 

[Spartanmack]

He's got a fairly famous audio clip about MSU choking for several years ago that anyone that spends as much time on these boards as we do probably heard.

Interesting, I'm not here as much as most but enough. I don't recall even hearing his name. I'm a bit of a contrarian - I couldn't stand that Joe Rexrode moron that was always getting quoted - so maybe I would end up liking the guy if I had time or cared to pay attention.

 

[Spartanmack]

pot, kettle

This would be a real zinger, if you could actually find one instance where I've done that. Fail.

 

[dubbsco]

It all just seems like a lot of stuff. Maybe it is no more than other schools. Seems to me that it is. Remember, no one is perfect, you, me, Mark Dantonio, Tom Izzo, everyone. We all make mistakes. We all do things wrong. Mark Dantonio stands up there and says he's never done anything wrong. That just doesn't sound right to me. It's a big file, files. They'll go through everything, I hope. He better hope he's right.

I think doubling down is a bad idea. This is not the time to get defensive. Just say "we never did anything to violate policy, and that will come out." Instead, he got WAY too animated, and that was the wrong route to go. He's only going to be pissing off ESPN and other places to dig harder.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I've got a fuzzy memory from a while back of ESPN publishing some sketchy sounding stuff about...was it Oklahoma State?...where they stretched 1 or 2 real issues and a bunch of smoke into 4 or 5 articles that were hyped like they were going to get bigger and bigger, but then there was backlash and maybe some orders to pull back and they fizzled out without any real bombshells beyond what was already known.

Not saying MSU doesn't have serious issues to investigate, but this also reminds me that ESPN is really an entertainment company.

 

[hungry]

The decision to clear Appling and Payne came on October 10th, 2010, we didn't open the season until a month later. No reason for them to be suspended during the investigation since it was over before the season started.

We do need some more answers in the Walton thing, but as for Izzo saying that he didn't know why he left, I can see that, as bad as it sounds. Walton left to go play professionally in Europe, but Izzo wasn't made aware of the rape allegations until 2011, over a year after he left MSU. He likely didn't know if it had to do with that allegation or not since he left a year before it. You can question why he was still allowed on to be a part of the program with the allegations of assaulting a female student, that's very valid and Izzo should answer that question.

Also, point of information, Walton wasn't a coach, more like a student manager. He couldn't have the title of graduate assistant because he hadn't graduated, he was not an assistant coach. If anything, he was a graduate manager. Labeling him as a coach is incorrect.

There was, also, a title IX investigation on the Payne and Appling case. Hard to believe that was finished as quickly as the criminal case. I don't know, though.

 

[hungry]

"I can't remember what they were" but "just a lot of stuff"...spoken like an expert in criminal justice - someone with a degree, training and at least 20 years of experience. When it seems like more than should be typical, you know there's something there. You've changed my mind. I'm now convinced they should both definitely resign.

Word of caution, if you weren't Spartan bashing, singling out LJ Scott with that presumptive comment could get you accused of racism by some of the uofm posters here.

Racism? Huh? You're nuts. I just wonder how a college student can afford thousands of dollars in fines. I knew I couldn't when I was in college.

 

[Sbee]

I find it ABSOLUTELY fucking hilarious about how many people here and on the RCMB have slammed Valenti for years, basically disowning him and saying he doesn't represent Michigan State, and he needs to go back to New York.

Now, he's the MSU white knight for the fan base.

What a joke.

He tends to make some dumb criticisms of the coaching staff, saying the game of BB has passed Izzo by, calling for major staff changes after 3-9, publicly giving up his tickets (which was a stunt, he can get media credentials if he wants).

That doesn't mean that he's not right on this particular issue.

 

[Sbee]

There was, also, a title IX investigation on the Payne and Appling case. Hard to believe that was finished as quickly as the criminal case. I don't know, though.

don't have the timeline there but with the King/Corley/Vance situation, title 9 was complete around the time of the charges being announced.

 

[Sbee]

It all just seems like a lot of stuff. Maybe it is no more than other schools. Seems to me that it is. Remember, no one is perfect, you, me, Mark Dantonio, Tom Izzo, everyone. We all make mistakes. We all do things wrong. Mark Dantonio stands up there and says he's never done anything wrong. That just doesn't sound right to me. It's a big file, files. They'll go through everything, I hope. He better hope he's right.

I don't know if he said that he's never done anything wrong, he said that he handled these cases properly. Here are the ones that I know of

Auston Robertson, accused of rape, thrown off the team immediately, charges filed right around the same time.

King/Corley/Vance suspended when accusation came, eventually dismissed after charges were filed

4 unnamed players were supposedly mentioned in the diary of a woman who died of alcohol poisoning in 2012. the incident allegedly took place in 2007, MD was made aware in 2014. all of those implicated had long since graduated, no charges filed.

Keith Mumphrey was accused of sexual assault on the MSU campus after he graduated, no charges filed. He had already graduated so MD couldn't issue any punishment.

That's 9 of 16 players implicated over the 11 year period. Need more info on the others

 

[hungry]

Yeah that reminds me. Mumphrey, banned from campus due to title IX, then brought back on campus for a football camp. Now I remember. Thanks.

 

[hungry]

Austin Robertson, the one who had rape allegations in high school. Dantonio blew it off, brought him on board anyway, and then Robertson raped a woman. Strangely, enough, the story doesn't stop there as he was allegedly the one that went in and rescued the woman getting gang raped by the other 3. Then there was the pack of football players that went out to hunt him down. Then he gets thrown off the team for raping some other woman...all credibility destroyed. A lot seems fishy there. Of course, I'm piecing things together from here and there. Robertson and Blackwell were quickly named the scapegoats to the whole incident. Ruins their credibility and gets rid of them at the same time. Convenient.

 

[Michchamp]

John Engler, named MSU interim president.

yikes.

come on Sparty

*shakes head*

 

[biggunsbob]

Such horseshot. If Msu has nothing to hide open everything up and come clean. Funny espn keeps showing the piece and msu does nothing to try and stop it. I could care less but this blind loyalty is ridicules. If anyone associated with Michigan did anything like this (If proven true) I would want everyone freaking fired period. It sounds like msu fans on here just want the status quo to continue like they have been . Maybe the espn piece is irresponsible like some have said if so prove it and sue the fuck out of them .