Maybe once but not a bunch of times and no I do not think the guy litered. So you don't think Walton hit the girl 1 or 2 times in the bar ? You believe Payne when he said he stopped but his roommate (Appling) wanted more sex so we are lead to believe Keith talked her into more consensual sex? That is such bullshit that you believe both players but not the girl when she said NO!!!
Talk about fandom you're all over this message board protecting MSU when both the president and the AD resigned in one week. Wtf sbee .People dont so that unless they are worried about Something. Especially the AD.
So don't sit here and think Msu is not in trouble . Oh and btw I do not want either Mark or Tom fired at all but if they have not done nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about and they can lawyer up and msu can Sue ESPN.
Bob, you simply don't know the cases. As for Walton, I've said Izzo needs to answer some questions about him, why he was allowed to coach after the accusation of hitting the woman. I am ok with an answer saying they let the legal process play out and allowed him to coach while that was happening, there is innocence until proof of guilt. I can live with that one. The one that concerns me is the Walton rape allegation with two other players, from what I can tell is that a letter came to MSU about 15 months after it allegedly took place. I need to see how that was handled before I say Izzo should survive this. Please don't accuse me of just being a fan here, these programs are important to me and I absolutely love Izzo, but I am also saying that there may be damaging info out there that he can't recover from and may deserve to be let go, we don't know yet. That is not what a blind fanboy would say.
On the Appling and Payne case, I trust the prosecutor's office's assessment of the situation, that no crime occurred. The woman did not say "stop" as you said, she engaged in consensual sex with the players and at one point said that she was "done." none of the reports said that she said no, so that's factually incorrect. She said that she felt like she wasn't free to leave, although she never said that the players told her she had to stay or that she was restrained. If you don't trust the legal process on this one, I'd say you're being a fan more than being objective. They were legally cleared, I don't expect Izzo to suspend players who were exonerated through the legal system.
I am not saying that they've done nothing wrong, I need more info, at least on Izzo. I'm confident in how MD handled things, especially when you consider what ESPN left out of their story.
As for Simon and Hollis stepping down, they stepped down because of the public outcry and mob mentality. Simon was alerted of a title 9 investigation into an unnamed doctor in 2014, the title 9 office cleared Nassar. What was Simon supposed to do? Until I see proof that she was told before 2014, I stand by the fact that she shouldn't have stepped down. As for Hollis, I'm in wait and see mode with him. If there is evidence that he did cover up the Walton accusation or didn't report it properly, then he should have stepped down. As it relates to Nassar, I don't see Hollis being responsible. Doctors and trainers report up through the college of Osteopathic Medicine, not through the athletic department. Saying it happened under his watch is inaccurate.
Again, I'm not saying they did everything right, this Walton accusation may be the end of Izzo and that would be very hard to deal with. We need to hear from him, hopefully soon.
