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My way too early yardage prediction thread

Yeah you are right. If Dennard was on this team and Slay wasn't, the opposite things would be said.

I don't trust rookie CBs. You are wrong. We'd have Slay and Dennard both on the team anyway. Dennard wouldn't even start.
 
Dennard would be torched and the Big Ten is overrated. Dennard can't hold Slay's jock.

Experience matters big time. Sorry Dennard, rookie CB no thanks.

every GM in the league passed on Slay in the first round of the 2013 draft...Dennard got selected in the first. I know that the draft is a crap shoot but it tells me that coming out of college real NFL people thought more of Dennard.
 
every GM in the league passed on Slay in the first round of the 2013 draft...Dennard got selected in the first. I know that the draft is a crap shoot but it tells me that coming out of college real NFL people thought more of Dennard.

Slay had a knee issue. Slay is better than Dennard.
 
Slay would be drafted where Kyle Fuller went or maybe Lions pick him at 10 this draft. Then you would love him because they got the position you wanted at the time you wanted.
 
Slay would be drafted where Kyle Fuller went or maybe Lions pick him at 10 this draft. Then you would love him because they got the position you wanted at the time you wanted.
speculation
 
Slay had a knee issue. Slay is better than Dennard.

Slay was a juco transfer with not much football experience that many thought his teammate was better than him at miss st....his lack of exp showed last year and he needs to improve or he'll end up yet another mayhew rd 2 dud.
 
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Opinion wise I'm with LKP on Slay. But the rest including being better than xyz...I agree just more LKP BS.

I'll weight in on Slay, yes his measurables got him noticed, but I think it got people taking a second (or even a first look since yes the scouts were trained on Banks) at his film and saw some potentially special qualities to develop. The film where he does extremely well shadowing Corderelle Patterson comes to mind.

He's got the right coach and scheme now but needs the confidence which separates all good from great CBs. With all the talent in the world developing confidence (which includes ball location and field awareness) is near impossible to predict (which is why developing cbs is a crapshoot). Add to that the fact it is something, unlike speed or power, that you can loose fast and its tough to project how a guy like Slay will turn out.

(Total aside -- the reason why myself and a lot of you like a guy like Dennard is that he has what I just described in spades - there is even an article on cbs being the new 'diva' position recently on espn).

Long story short hate where its due but be optimistic on Slay at least IMO.
 
It is absolute crap to compare someone in the league vs someone who is in college. You aren't giving the college kid a chance. It's like saying, "man, I'd rather have Victor Cruz than Jeremy Gallon." I would guarantee that when you started your job, your fellow co-workers knew more about your job details than you did. NFL experience cannot be used in your argument.

I watched Dennard play a ton. The guy shut down his side. To the point where teams would avoid his side of the field. Slay's team in 2012 played 4 ranked teams. Each time, they were absolutely destroyed. Maybe his measurable are better than Dennard. But I'm so sick of the combine stuff. Sometimes, you just have to look at who the better football player is. That's Dennard.
 
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Opinion wise I'm with LKP on Slay. But the rest including being better than xyz...I agree just more LKP BS.

I'll weight in on Slay, yes his measurables got him noticed, but I think it got people taking a second (or even a first look since yes the scouts were trained on Banks) at his film and saw some potentially special qualities to develop. The film where he does extremely well shadowing Corderelle Patterson comes to mind.

He's got the right coach and scheme now but needs the confidence which separates all good from great CBs. With all the talent in the world developing confidence (which includes ball location and field awareness) is near impossible to predict (which is why developing cbs is a crapshoot). Add to that the fact it is something, unlike speed or power, that you can loose fast and its tough to project how a guy like Slay will turn out.

(Total aside -- the reason why myself and a lot of you like a guy like Dennard is that he has what I just described in spades - there is even an article on cbs being the new 'diva' position recently on espn).

Long story short hate where its due but be optimistic on Slay at least IMO.

for sure...totally in on slays upside and thought it was dumb to keep pulling him last year....lets the kid get reps. But to say he should have been sought after/rated higher than gilbert is ridiculous. Im not even saying Gilbert will end up being a better pro than Slay....but if youre scouting the 2 out of college youre comparing Gilberts athleticism/measurables, production, ballhawk and return ability to Slays athleticism/measurables....and that's about it. He had very little production, and very little experience.
 
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Slay had a knee issue. Slay is better than Dennard.

I agree. Slay is going to be a stud. Dennard does alot of holding, pi machine in the nfl
 
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Slay looked pretty lost out there. I was not impressed at all. He actually looked like he almost did not belong in the league the majority of the time. But to be fair, he was in over his head scheme wise. This year it will be tailored to the capability and strengths on the roster. Additionally, you can see the skill and potential but that needs to translate in the game. I hope he brings it but not real confident he will.
 
He actually looked like he almost did not belong in the league the majority of the time.

You thinking of Chris Houston? Kidding..but, I agree when he got benched early in the season he did look lost out there. However, towards the end of the season when he started getting pt again, I thought he was playing alot better, looked more comfortable, and was starting to get it down. I think he's going to have a great year.
 
Thought Roy Williams was going to be good, he was a beast at Texas. Thought Kevin Jones was going to be good, absolute beast his last season, consistently good at VA Tech. We have 0 idea that he's going to be a productive member of this offense. None. He could set foot on the field and forget how to play. He could be amazing. Don't assume he's going to produce.

Wtf do you mean don't assume??? He was a 1st rd pick. Doesn't every fanbase EXPECT high draft picks to produce? When he was drafted by the Lions, do you think the Lions were thinking that he might produce?? HELL NO. They expect this kid to be a key part of this offense. He needs to produce immediately...
 
Its called value moron. We drafted ebron to play wr. GB drafted Adam's to play wr 1.5 rounds later. If im a betting man rodgers makes adams produce more than stafford/ebron. The fact you dont understand value and production is why you are dumb and keep arguing that a 11 win team in 2 years is good and why a qb that has lost twice as many games as hes won is good.

But who fn cares but you?? As long as Ebron produces for this team in a positive way. You're the fn retard that is so fixated on a kid like Adams, a WR and our guy Ebron, who are complete opposites to see if one produces more than the other. Who cares?! Value?? Take your value and give it a toss.....nobody cares but you lol. Go become a Packers fan, you idiot.
 
A lot of crying about Ebron, Dennard and Slay around here. Even some putz mentioned Devonte Adams for some reason lol.

But the Ebron pick I didn't like right away. I was furious. Took me a bit to understand it, but it's perfectly clear. Running that Saints offense and this kid may be the next Jimmy Graham. Even if he performs at a 60% clip of Graham, it's bonus. He's a threat downfield, mismatch for other defenders, chain moving freak of an athlete. Upside is through the roof. Not trying to put pressure on Ebron with the Graham comparison, but that's what you heard. Heard some Vernon Davis too. You can't get to caught up in it, but people do. It's only a comparison. I want this kid to roduce, but if he doesn't produce like Graham then so what? JUST PRODUCE IN YOUR OWN WAY. Who gives a fuck what Devonte Adams is doing in Green Bay? Because not one person on the planet will compare the two in 2014.

Dennard vs Slay? Meh, I'm a little torn on this. I like Slay and I like what the Lions did with him last year. He got some playing time in, he got torched a bit and he made some plays. He was taken out at times at the right times IMO. Didn't want to completely crush his confidence in his rookie year. This year, the leash is history. Year under his belt, so he fully knows what to expect and he'll be a better football player because of it. Idiots like Hughes thinks every rookie should be an All Pro or he's not worthy. Not the case....smart football people know this.
Dennard slipped in the draft. Slay slipped because of an injury, maybe. Watched Dennard in college and he was a shutdown CB. Made a lot of plays, great size, your prototypical CB in the NFL. But with his size, he was weaker than he looked and wasn't very consistent in the run game, needed to be more aggressive. Also, had some injuries as well, played basically man-to-man. All the tools, but I'm taking Slay because of his upside and one year experience. It was close though..

Imagine if the lions took Dennard at #10? Slay and Dennard as our bookends? Oooooowee that would have been interesting and fun.
 
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Slay looked pretty lost out there. I was not impressed at all. He actually looked like he almost did not belong in the league the majority of the time. But to be fair, he was in over his head scheme wise. This year it will be tailored to the capability and strengths on the roster. Additionally, you can see the skill and potential but that needs to translate in the game. I hope he brings it but not real confident he will.

it was supposed to be tailored to strengths on the roster last year too...remember?...we had the best dline in football that was going to destroy the opposing qbs faster than our shitty secondary could get torched. Yaaaaa....that didn't happen. Now the only change we made in the front 7 was van noy...who is coming off a 4 sack year in a shitty conference. Then you have to hope fairley and suh are motivated to play on contract years. Ansah and Slay progress. Quin and Ihedigbo don't hit the veteran safety wall. Levy plays as good as he did last year. And whoever plays opposite slay doesn't suck. No big deal....
 
But who fn cares but you?? Who cares?! Value?? Take your value and give it a toss.....nobody cares but you lol. Go become a Packers fan, you idiot.

lol gratz tony on the dumbest post ever. Not only do YOU obviously not care about value....mayhew obviously doesn't either. So the 2 of you have something in common...clueless morons..

EVERYONE that grades drafts talks about value. The fact you don't think its important makes pretty much every single one of your posts from here on out worthless. If you pick a WR in the top 10 and he doesn't produce...it wasn't good value. Just like when you pick a 5th string WR in rd 2 and he never produces...that's not good value. Or when you trade up for a 4th string rb in rd 2 and he never produces...that's not good value. But you love all those picks cause fuck value...who the fuck needs value? Surely, a 7 win team couldn't use value...thatd be ridiculous.
 
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lol gratz tony on the dumbest post ever. Not only do YOU obviously not care about value....mayhew obviously doesn't either. So the 2 of you have something in common...clueless morons..

EVERYONE that grades drafts talks about value. The fact you don't think its important makes pretty much every single one of your posts from here on out worthless. If you pick a WR in the top 10 and he doesn't produce...it wasn't good value. Just like when you pick a 5th string WR in rd 2 and he never produces...that's not good value. Or when you trade up for a 4th string rb in rd 2 and he never produces...that's not good value. But you love all those picks cause fuck value...who the fuck needs value? Surely, a 7 win team couldn't use value...thatd be ridiculous.

You're an idiot....plain and simple. Of course i care about value. I just don't give a rats ass what Devonte Adams does in the NFL vs Ebron. I'll let you worry about that. We drafted the BEST TE in the draft....value. One of the best OLB, maybe thee BEST.....that's value. Two players that should produce immediately for this team. GREAT value. So, if Adams scores a few more TDs and maybe a few more yatds than Ebron, i'm notgoing to cry about value like a little girl like you. As long as Ebron produces, i'll be happy. So keep rootin for Adams to have better numbers so yyour stupid fn argument holds merit. You're a moron.
 
I guess you and I see the term "value" as being completely different. To me, burning a top 10 pick on an area that is complete luxury is about as far away from value as you can get. I felt the exact same way about Pettigrew. The value on Ebron diminishes further when you already have a guy you just signed to a big deal, and Fauria who ate up a lot of the red zone. If you needed a 2nd WR, draft a WR. I can't stand hearing people saying, "Ebron's a WR." No he's not. He's a tight end, and he's said it as much throughout his interviews.
 
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