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[tonyballs]

losing to the bears and titans is not elite. And youre putting words in my mouth. I didnt say trade. I said after those 2 bad losses....if we ended the year with like 4 wins i could see if management wanted to blow everything up. Not sying they would, or wanted to....but i could see it. Bring in a new coach, with "his guy" at qb....start over. Nothing to lose at that point. We will win more than 4 so its a moot point.....but it wasnt then.

You're just praying we win 4 games eh?? Holy fuck you're deranged lol

 

[tonyballs]

Thru 6 games weve seen alot of what the Lions are on defense:

Cant get to the QB
Cant cover a TE worth a lick
Lawson and Diggs are absolute liabilities in coverage, dont look for the ball, and grab the hell out of people
Opponents rush for nearly 5 ypc
We dont force INTs....the opposing qb has to make a poor decision for us to get a TO.
We dont bring consistent pressure.

Its a clusterfuck to watch. If you dont bring pressure then you should have plenty of guys to cover. The lions some fucking how can drop everyone into coverage and STILL have wide open receivers running down field lmao. Its a fucking miracle.

Theres no sign of talent on this team defensively. Ansah back healthy and Slay....thats it. End of story. There is no "when levy is back healthy"...forget it.

Yep and you better put the majority of losses on that defense. It's a team effort but our D has been abysmal. Stafford and that O have won us games. The same QB you want to run out of town lol.

 

[tonyballs]

You know who else had talent? Josh Smith.

It's one thing to have talent (even though this defense really doesn't). It's another thing to actually put it on the field. Whenever you hear the media or announcers constantly talk about how talented someone is, that's code speak for, "He's good but he can't play the game well."

When people talk about Brady, is the discussion about how "talented" he is? No, it's about how he wins.

Actually, there is no code for it lol. You trying to figure out the Matrix or something? When somebody says that "this team is talented" or "that guy is really talented", all he's saying is that there's talent on the team. No tricks, no gimmicks, no secret passwords. Stop making up complete garbage lol.

Go look up Barry Sanders talking about the 1991 team. He says that he's never been around a more talented group of guys than that team. Nobody busted out their fucking decoder ring and finally solved what "talent" actually means now lol. Holy shit...

 

[mhughes0021]

Everything needs to be good???? Have you seen what this team is going through??? We don't have a running game!!! None whatsoever!!! Our defense is a joke!!! Our OLine is beat up and inexperienced. Yet, Stafford and the boys are pulling out wins. Stafford leads the league in comeback wins btw. Your hate for the kid is pathetic. Wtf are you watching??? He can't do it by himself...you're right but he's sure as fuck giving it his all. The kid is a gamer. When the fuck are you going to see it?
And don't compare Dak Prescott to Stafford lol. Are you high? That Dallas team is ballin on all cylinders. Defense, offense, special teams..best OLine in football and a studly running game. Add the fact that their D is playing well too. Dak is putting up nice numbers but he is not carrying that team. I swear to fucking God that you guys don't wat h football lol.

Yes i watch alot of football. I also watched dak break the record for most passes to start his career without an interception. Youre telling me that's because of their defense? I watch alot of football. There's alot of year 1-3 guys that could have led us to 3 wins this year. I watch alot of football. ...there's alot of guys that could have scored more than 17 points vs the bears. Stafford is an average qb that is starting to be more consistent mainly because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. He's fine. He's a career loser posting a 45-54 record and 0-2 in the playoffs. You think it matters if hes here or not? What? We lose a couple more games? So we're paying him 20 + mil to win a couple more games? Yippie. Not a smart business decision. Win and stay. ...im fine with it. Yay we get to be average to below average his entire career. I've watched alot of football. ...I've never seen an "elite" qb lose more than he's won for his entire career.

 

[cheeno]

Yes i watch alot of football. I also watched dak break the record for most passes to start his career without an interception. Youre telling me that's because of their defense? I watch alot of football. There's alot of year 1-3 guys that could have led us to 3 wins this year. I watch alot of football. ...there's alot of guys that could have scored more than 17 points vs the bears. Stafford is an average qb that is starting to be more consistent mainly because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. He's fine. He's a career loser posting a 45-54 record and 0-2 in the playoffs. You think it matters if hes here or not? What? We lose a couple more games? So we're paying him 20 + mil to win a couple more games? Yippie. Not a smart business decision. Win and stay. ...im fine with it. Yay we get to be average to below average his entire career. I've watched alot of football. ...I've never seen an "elite" qb lose more than he's won for his entire career.

I agree IF you trust the man picking the replacements. Remember when Mayhew turned a couple high picks in a trade into Pettigrew and Best? If that's the case I think we can hang onto Matt.

 

[LKP]

If you watched hughes you would see all the round 2 and 4 failures. You are only focusing on a handful if exceptions

Dak has a run game. Easy for him. Abdullah hurt, hard for stafford

And stafford is not playing like an average qb. He is playing like an elite qb right now. Elite qb helps us win games if the defense doesnt play well. Elite qbs help you win games when weapons drop balls, penalties and weapons are hurt. Stafford is elite

And we dont need to get rid of stafford to add more talent. Draft is cheap now with new cba. And lions have cap space to add free agents if they choose. Quinn chose most of mayhews starters and his own cheap depth and to replace calvin with another stud. So far so good

 

[tonyballs]

Yes i watch alot of football. I also watched dak break the record for most passes to start his career without an interception. Youre telling me that's because of their defense? I watch alot of football. There's alot of year 1-3 guys that could have led us to 3 wins this year. I watch alot of football. ...there's alot of guys that could have scored more than 17 points vs the bears. Stafford is an average qb that is starting to be more consistent mainly because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. He's fine. He's a career loser posting a 45-54 record and 0-2 in the playoffs. You think it matters if hes here or not? What? We lose a couple more games? So we're paying him 20 + mil to win a couple more games? Yippie. Not a smart business decision. Win and stay. ...im fine with it. Yay we get to be average to below average his entire career. I've watched alot of football. ...I've never seen an "elite" qb lose more than he's won for his entire career.

So by your brilliant logic, teams like the Lions should start investing in late rd QBs because of Prescott's success??? That's great, Hughes....really smart. You should be a fucking GM lol. I'm not taking anything awaybfrom Dak. I actually wanted the Lions to grab him in the draft to back up Stafford but it never happened that way. But teams will not start passing up on QBs because of Dak. That's retarded to even think that way.
Stafford isn't the problem. He's finally found an offense that best suits him and your complaint is that he doesn't throw the ball downfield enough lol. Just shut up already dude...cmon.

 

[kdp1980]

I think you guys that hate Stafford are going to be very upset when he gets inked to a monstrous payday by the Lions very soon. Stafford might be in a Lions uni for 6 or 7 more years, or more. Time to deal with it. He's never been the problem, bloated and fucked up contracts(by Mayhew) are, which completely screwed up us building properly around Stafford. Quin has begun fixing all of Mayhews fuckups, and hopefully his next move is signing Stafford to a longterm contract. If the contract breaks records, so be it. Seriously...

 

[dubbsco]

Tony, use this year for Stafford as a perfect example to my case. For the first five years or so, to almost "validate" why he was struggling, not a day went by where someone in the media didn't say, "He's inconsistent but extremely talented."

How much do you hear the discussion about his talent this year? I don't. I hear about how efficient he's become, how he's finally trusting teammates, showing real leadership and using his head more than ever.

We have brought up how the defense stinks. That's facts. They are one of the worst. And LKP says "Yeah, but they have talent." It's just a cop out man. And to build on that point, beyond a few guys, they are well below the curve on a good NFL defense. It's the biggest point of contention on this board and why he drives people absolutely crazy. No one is going to think less of him if he just admitted the defense sucks and this team will have success despite of them.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, use this year for Stafford as a perfect example to my case. For the first five years or so, to almost "validate" why he was struggling, not a day went by where someone in the media didn't say, "He's inconsistent but extremely talented."

How much do you hear the discussion about his talent this year? I don't. I hear about how efficient he's become, how he's finally trusting teammates, showing real leadership and using his head more than ever.

We have brought up how the defense stinks. That's facts. They are one of the worst. And LKP says "Yeah, but they have talent." It's just a cop out man. And to build on that point, beyond a few guys, they are well below the curve on a good NFL defense. It's the biggest point of contention on this board and why he drives people absolutely crazy. No one is going to think less of him if he just admitted the defense sucks and this team will have success despite of them.

I know the defense stinks. I just don't agree with your assessment of the word "talent".

 

[tonyballs]

Yes i watch alot of football. I also watched dak break the record for most passes to start his career without an interception. Youre telling me that's because of their defense? I watch alot of football. There's alot of year 1-3 guys that could have led us to 3 wins this year. I watch alot of football. ...there's alot of guys that could have scored more than 17 points vs the bears. Stafford is an average qb that is starting to be more consistent mainly because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. He's fine. He's a career loser posting a 45-54 record and 0-2 in the playoffs. You think it matters if hes here or not? What? We lose a couple more games? So we're paying him 20 + mil to win a couple more games? Yippie. Not a smart business decision. Win and stay. ...im fine with it. Yay we get to be average to below average his entire career. I've watched alot of football. ...I've never seen an "elite" qb lose more than he's won for his entire career.

And Prescott is 26th in pass attempts btw. Know why? Good defense, in the lead and probably the best running game in the NFL.

 

[LKP]

Stafford had a great 2nd contract. Lowered last two years of old cba deal. 17th in average per year for a qb. Anyone who thinks mayhew and lewand messed up staffords second deal is very wrong

They backloaded, they had too and it was smart. As you can see in 2016 they had space even with a ton of calcin dead moeny. Space in 2017 at the highest point of his deal. Which can be extended and lower his 2017 cap hit even more.

An extension gives us more cap room in 2017 which allows us to get him more talent. Trading or cutting him is the stupidest thing you could do

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Yes i watch alot of football. I also watched dak break the record for most passes to start his career without an interception. Youre telling me that's because of their defense? I watch alot of football. There's alot of year 1-3 guys that could have led us to 3 wins this year. I watch alot of football. ...there's alot of guys that could have scored more than 17 points vs the bears. Stafford is an average qb that is starting to be more consistent mainly because he rarely throws the ball longer than 10 yards. He's fine. He's a career loser posting a 45-54 record and 0-2 in the playoffs. You think it matters if hes here or not? What? We lose a couple more games? So we're paying him 20 + mil to win a couple more games? Yippie. Not a smart business decision. Win and stay. ...im fine with it. Yay we get to be average to below average his entire career. I've watched alot of football. ...I've never seen an "elite" qb lose more than he's won for his entire career.

If you think Stafford is an average QB......you might watch a lot of football.....but you still don't know shit about it.

Stafford is quickly becoming a top 5 QB in the NFL.

Brady
Rodgers
Brees

Those guys are better than Stafford....but the next tier of QB's includes #9

Stafford
Ruthlessraper
Wilson
Ryan
Luck

Personally, I'd put Stafford as the 6th best QB in the NFL but he's inside the top 5 for 2016 as hes playing better than Wilson or Luck is this year.

You may not like Stafford......but you've been harping on his NUMBERS for years now as a reason for rating him around 20........but his numbers over the last 14 games are #1 or #2 in the NFL. Like him or not......he's better than you give him credit for.

 

[kdp1980]

Some of you just love to hate the kid. This is might be an 0-6 team with ANYBODY besides Stafford. I'm right there with Booger, top 5 qb, and in the final 2 minutes of a game, needing a touchdown, he is my guy by a wide margin. Embrace this and let Quin attempt to build around him, the right way.

 

[dubbsco]

He's turning out to be a very good QB. I doubted him early with good reason, but he's definitely coming into his own.

However, all of this is meaningless until the team advances in the playoffs. At this point in my fandom, putting up great numbers in the regular season does nothing for me until they make something happen and he leads this franchise to higher levels. They've sucked the passion out of me with decades of crap. Ultimately, I do feel bad that they've wasted his career and I would be okay seeing them trade him if the value is there so the poor kid can win something.

 

[biggunsbob]

Man once this team has a great line I hope Stafford has a few years left in him. He looks great this year in every game except the Bears and Titans.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

He's turning out to be a very good QB. I doubted him early with good reason, but he's definitely coming into his own.

However, all of this is meaningless until the team advances in the playoffs. At this point in my fandom, putting up great numbers in the regular season does nothing for me until they make something happen and he leads this franchise to higher levels. They've sucked the passion out of me with decades of crap. Ultimately, I do feel bad that they've wasted his career and I would be okay seeing them trade him if the value is there so the poor kid can win something.

I agree with all of this. He absolutely has had games or even seasons where his position as a starter should have been questioned. However, he seems to be in an offense that has helped bring out the best in him. I still think we need a true slot speedster to have more of a downfield presence but Boldin is doing the job for now.

Numbers are great.....but he is nothing more than Tony Romo if we cant get in the playoffs and win. That being said, this isn't a playoff team IMO. The only reason we might even sniff the playoffs is because of Stafford.....and that says a LOT about how talented he truly is.

OLine sucks (getting better, though)
DLine is garbage (besides Ansah)
LB are terrible (lots of injuries.....even MORE terrible play)
Secondary is average (I say this because I truly believe they have the talent to be much better, but Austin is putting guys in TERRIBLE positions and we are asking guys to cover for WAY too long)

Stafford basically has no running game, no deep threats and ZERO defense.....I don't know if even Brady or Rodgers could make this a playoff team right now. I agree with Bob.....I hope we get things turned around quickly while Stafford, Ansah and Slay are all still in their prime. We've already wasted Sanders and Megatron.

 

[brewer229]

Man once this team has a great line I hope Stafford has a few years left in him. He looks great this year in every game except the Bears and Titans.

This cracks me up. Not counting 33% of his games he's looked great.
Which is an improvement over the typical 50% of his games looking bad.

But I'm ok with a QB having a bad game here and there, as long as their other games are really really good.

Stafford has been very solid for two 1/2 of seasons overall. Going to a short passing, get the ball out quick gameplan has turned him from a low to mid tier QB, to a possible top 10 guy (if he can put together a full season).

He use to miss multiple short throws, so credit to him for working that out and also credit to him for accepting the fact he isn't a down the field passer. He's done a great job working in the system.

 

[mhughes0021]

I agree with all of this. He absolutely has had games or even seasons where his position as a starter should have been questioned. However, he seems to be in an offense that has helped bring out the best in him. I still think we need a true slot speedster to have more of a downfield presence but Boldin is doing the job for now.

Numbers are great.....but he is nothing more than Tony Romo if we cant get in the playoffs and win. That being said, this isn't a playoff team IMO. The only reason we might even sniff the playoffs is because of Stafford.....and that says a LOT about how talented he truly is.

OLine sucks (getting better, though)
DLine is garbage (besides Ansah)
LB are terrible (lots of injuries.....even MORE terrible play)
Secondary is average (I say this because I truly believe they have the talent to be much better, but Austin is putting guys in TERRIBLE positions and we are asking guys to cover for WAY too long)

Stafford basically has no running game, no deep threats and ZERO defense.....I don't know if even Brady or Rodgers could make this a playoff team right now. I agree with Bob.....I hope we get things turned around quickly while Stafford, Ansah and Slay are all still in their prime. We've already wasted Sanders and Megatron.

My biggest gripe with stafford earlier in his career was his inconsistent play, accuracy and completion %.

Hes fixed alot of that over the last 2 years. I think he was the only qb to finish last year completing 60% or more of his passes in all 16 games. This year is much of the same. Hes not wildly inaccurate like he was. As many of us have pointed out as well as people who analyze his game on the nfl shows....he doesnt throw the ball very far so the tendancy should be that you are more accurate. Its fine...if thats what were asking him to do hes doing it at a high level. It does make for having to play mistake free football. Dink and dunking the way down the field means 1 holding call, 1 bad pass, 1 sack and poof....your drive is done. Its the offense we put it in to get the ball out quickly. Helps the oline with protection, helps stafford make a quick read, keeps things simple. I dont know how it will fair against good defenses or teams with initial good coverage. I said at the start of the year we have to outscore people to win with this high school defenses were putting on the field. Running a ball control offense makes it incredibly difficult to do that on a consistent basis. You have to play mistake free or you will lose.

 

[mhughes0021]

So by your brilliant logic, teams like the Lions should start investing in late rd QBs because of Prescott's success??? That's great, Hughes....really smart. You should be a fucking GM lol. I'm not taking anything awaybfrom Dak. I actually wanted the Lions to grab him in the draft to back up Stafford but it never happened that way. But teams will not start passing up on QBs because of Dak. That's retarded to even think that way.
Stafford isn't the problem. He's finally found an offense that best suits him and your complaint is that he doesn't throw the ball downfield enough lol. Just shut up already dude...cmon.

Dont recall saying any of that. Youre reading comprehension is just awful....you take one little tidbit of an enormous reply and focus on that detail. When the fuck did i say nfl teams should hold out for 4th round qbs? I was showing that theres little to no vaule in keeping stafford around at 20+ mil a year if were only going to win 4 games. What the fuck do you read man?