Ownership Supports Caldwell

[motown1958]

You can make an argument that keeping Caldwell another year is a good option. Stafford and the players seem comfortable. The system post lombardi has improved. Once the defense got healthy it stabilized. This team deserved a better record. Got screwed twice. I don't love caldwell. His game management is questionable but the team likes him and has rebounded well.

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[tonyballs]

Defending the indefensible is what a homer does. Ink has put forth the best argument saying that this is at best a Twitter post and not official word from ownership. Otherwise it just throws a wrench into moving forward even if they think it isn't. Things are often about perception and if I can perceive it this way so can a lot of GM and coaching candidates. Say they want to hire a guy like Gase, where would he go? Indy? The Eagles? Or the Lions who have (maybe) public ally thrown support behind the guy that is here.

That's deep, bruh lol. Real deep...wow. Ink has already laid out that its from Schefter...not Martha. Even if Martha said it.....WHO CARES?! She's showing support for a man that took this pathetic team to a playoff game in his first year as a HC. Who will probably have 18 wins in his 2 seasons. One of the best starts in Lions history. But in the same breath, she is giving 100% backup to the next GM. Where is the negativity in that? She's not giving ultamatums or putting pressure on anyone. This isn't a new thing lol.
Now if you think that Gase won't pick the Lions because of what Martha alledgedly has said then i don't know what to tell you. You're acting paranoid IMO. Gase is going to pick who he thinks is his best option. Give me a fucking break.....

 

[inkfreq]

You can make an argument that keeping Caldwell another year is a good option. Stafford and the players seem comfortable. The system post lombardi has improved. Once the defense got healthy it stabilized. This team deserved a better record. Got screwed twice. I don't love caldwell. His game management is questionable but the team likes him and has rebounded well.

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That's pretty much exactly what I've been saying. I don't think it's the end of the world to move on and go after a better coach, because nothing Caldwell has done has really shown he can be a coach that takes you all the way.

I don't think it's the end of the world if they keep him. He's got the best winning percentage of any Lions coach in the modern era... so he's already been better than anything we've had before.

 

[inkfreq]

No this we can agree on all accounts but one. A Lions championship would put a significant bounce in my step for quite awhile afterwards.

I would put more than a spring in my step... but it ain't gonna pay my bills, send my kids to college, or cure my wife of a terrible disease.

At the end of the day, I will be a happy fan, but my life will be exactly the same.

 

[dubbsco]

Ink, you aren't stuck with the Lions man. You don't have to emotionally put yourself out there or waste 3 hours every Sunday watching them. I disconnected myself awhile back from them. Until they show they care about the fans or care about winning, I'll watch without getting up or down. It's just something to keep my attention on a lazy day.

 

[inkfreq]

Ink, you aren't stuck with the Lions man. You don't have to emotionally put yourself out there or waste 3 hours every Sunday watching them. I disconnected myself awhile back from them. Until they show they care about the fans or care about winning, I'll watch without getting up or down. It's just something to keep my attention on a lazy day.

I'm emotionally invested... but I'm like an addict. Even when I think they are doing wrong, they are my team.

Keep Caldwell. Fire Caldwell. Hire Gase. Hire Kelly. Bring back "The Beast that Shall Not Be Named'. Doesn't matter. I will bitch. I will cuss. I will hate it.

I will tune in every Sunday and watch. I will pray on draft day (and I am an atheist and I still pray during the draft.. I'm just not sure to who). I will watch, I will hope, and I will root.

Nothing can make me less of a fan of this team. I wish it could. I'd love to say "fuck this, I'm following a winner"... but I can't.

I bleed Honolulu Blue and I love my corn bread. I'm stuck with whatever they do. So there is no reason for me to get made at every rumor or report. No reason for me to believe or deny anything Schefter says.

In the end, they are going to hire who they hire, keep who they keep, and cut who they cut, and next season, I'll still be posting on this board.

 

[tonyballs]

Yeah just take your rose coloured glasses off.

I'm not a homer lol. But whatever...

 

[mhughes0021]

I have to admit it... I wouldn't fire the guy if I were the Ford family or the new GM.

Managing people means you have to give them their time to grow, develop, be coached, etc...

He has a playoff year and an "almost" playoff year under his belt. Hell, until the ugly loss in the second game against GB, we were still alive in the hunt for the postseason. And we should have won that game and still been in the hunt going forward.

I don't like some of his calls. I don't like his late game non-aggression or his tendency to become complacent. I hate that he defended the laterals against one of the biggest arms in the game's history for a 61 yard hail mary.

But all in all, I haven't seen enough to fire the guy if I am the GM or owner. He loses two first round picks on his defensive line. He was given a team handicapped in the cap and personnel by his now former GM. And he's still putting together a pretty good stand in the final months.

I am not 100% sure I have any reason in that position to fire him. I believe, without knowing all the behind the scenes stuff and just going off his track record in Detroit, I would give him another year to see what he can do, especially if it might mean keeping Austin and Cooter around.

That's me. I am sure most people disagree with me on this one, and that's okay. But I've had to fire and counsel a lot of employees over the years, and this guy would be on an improvement plan for sure, but not fired if I were his boss.

I would be damned sure he understood my expectation for next year, and another 0-5 or 0-6 start, and I'd be looking for a new coach mid-season for sure.

he took an 11 win team and got the GM, President, OC, oline coach and some others fired within a year, during an NFL season that is known for every team in the NFL being "just ok."

He single handedly lost us atleast 2 games this year. Hes awful.

 

[mhughes0021]

Leave it to the lions to wait and take forever to hire a GM so all the potential HC's are gone already before our GM is ready to hire one. Why the fuck don't we have a GM yet?

 

[inkfreq]

he took an 11 win team and got the GM, President, OC, oline coach and some others fired within a year, during an NFL season that is known for every team in the NFL being "just ok."

He single handedly lost us atleast 2 games this year. Hes awful.

Wait.. after FIVE years of listening to you rail against Mayhew and Lewand... a second year head coach got them fired?

Lombardi has been a train wreck since he got here. Caldwell didn't "get him fired"... he shouldn't have been hired. And that IS on Caldwell.

The O-Line coach needed to go. I've never seen an O-Line as bad as ours for the first 6 games. And considering how good they were over the final 6... that should tell you all you need to know.

But to say Caldwell got Lewand and Mayhew fired... coming from YOU of all people... is flatly fucking retarded.

 

[inkfreq]

Leave it to the lions to wait and take forever to hire a GM so all the potential HC's are gone already before our GM is ready to hire one. Why the fuck don't we have a GM yet?

Unless we're going to promote Sheldon White, why would we have a GM yet? All the quality candidates are still with other teams, and we can't interview them until after their season has ended.

For some people, like anyone with the Pats, that's weeks away. For others, it begins Tuesday (since we have to wait until Monday games are over).

You know of a good candidate who is not with a team currently we should be looking at?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Leave it to the lions to wait and take forever to hire a GM so all the potential HC's are gone already before our GM is ready to hire one. Why the fuck don't we have a GM yet?

What???

This may be your worst post......ever!!!

What candidate should we have interviewed already?

 

[mhughes0021]

Wait.. after FIVE years of listening to you rail against Mayhew and Lewand... a second year head coach got them fired?

Lombardi has been a train wreck since he got here. Caldwell didn't "get him fired"... he shouldn't have been hired. And that IS on Caldwell.

The O-Line coach needed to go. I've never seen an O-Line as bad as ours for the first 6 games. And considering how good they were over the final 6... that should tell you all you need to know.

But to say Caldwell got Lewand and Mayhew fired... coming from YOU of all people... is flatly fucking retarded.

He was the coach of an 0-7 team....tell me what he did during that stretch to keep his job?

Stafford was awful - he was hired to fix Stafford
He didn't call plays when he realized Lombardi sucked
He lost us a couple games with clock mismanagement and just pure stupidity


Mayhew blows and got fired for that (you cant argue his draft record)....but Caldwell as a coach in the first half sucked just as bad or worse. He deserves to fade away and never be in the NFL again.

 

[mhughes0021]

What???

This may be your worst post......ever!!!

What candidate should we have interviewed already?

They've been putting out lists of them for the last 3 months...pick one. My point was were the lions....so we wont place any importance on acting fast....and we will miss out on quality coaching candidates because of it. Book it.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

He was the coach of an 0-7 team....tell me what he did during that stretch to keep his job?

Stafford was awful - he was hired to fix Stafford
He didn't call plays when he realized Lombardi sucked
He lost us a couple games with clock mismanagement and just pure stupidity


Mayhew blows and got fired for that (you cant argue his draft record)....but Caldwell as a coach in the first half sucked just as bad or worse. He deserves to fade away and never be in the NFL again.

Lions were never 0-7

They WERE 1-7, though.

Just sayin.

 

[inkfreq]

He was the coach of an 0-7 team....tell me what he did during that stretch to keep his job?

Stafford was awful - he was hired to fix Stafford
He didn't call plays when he realized Lombardi sucked
He lost us a couple games with clock mismanagement and just pure stupidity


Mayhew blows and got fired for that (you cant argue his draft record)....but Caldwell as a coach in the first half sucked just as bad or worse. He deserves to fade away and never be in the NFL again.

I absolutely agree there.

The week Mayhew was fired, I must have refreshed my Google News Feed 400 times a day hoping to see that Caldwell had joined his ass on the unemployment line. I can promise you, no one in the world wanted him gone more than me.

But a season is not 7 games. It's 16. And given the players he lost, the injuries, and the way the season started, I don't think finishing out at a 7-9 record is all that bad.

Things I blame Caldwell for:

Hiring Lombardi
Not Firing Lombardi sooner
10 men on the field every week (except this one, never saw that today unless I missed it)
Defending the laterals
Horrible challenges
Bad clock management

I am not a Caldwell fan at all. But for everyone saying he gets the blame for going 1-7 to start the season, he then also has to be given equal credit for going 6-2 to end the season. A season is a season, and you have to look at all of it.

The point I am making is you said he got Lewand, Mayhew and Lombardi fired. Lombardi got himself fired and should be jailed if he ever says the word "football" again, even in casual conversation, unless he means soccer.

But you have been pushing for Mayhew and Lewand to be fired for literally years before Caldwell ever got here.

 

[mhughes0021]

I absolutely agree there.

The week Mayhew was fired, I must have refreshed my Google News Feed 400 times a day hoping to see that Caldwell had joined his ass on the unemployment line. I can promise you, no one in the world wanted him gone more than me.

But a season is not 7 games. It's 16. And given the players he lost, the injuries, and the way the season started, I don't think finishing out at a 7-9 record is all that bad.

Things I blame Caldwell for:

Hiring Lombardi
Not Firing Lombardi sooner
10 men on the field every week (except this one, never saw that today unless I missed it)
Defending the laterals
Horrible challenges
Bad clock management

I am not a Caldwell fan at all. But for everyone saying he gets the blame for going 1-7 to start the season, he then also has to be given equal credit for going 6-2 to end the season. A season is a season, and you have to look at all of it.

The point I am making is you said he got Lewand, Mayhew and Lombardi fired. Lombardi got himself fired and should be jailed if he ever says the word "football" again, even in casual conversation, unless he means soccer.

But you have been pushing for Mayhew and Lewand to be fired for literally years before Caldwell ever got here.

the start wasn't the worst part. When we FINALLY did the right thing as an organization and got rid of Lombardi/mayhew. THEN Caldwells worst part happened. We just climbed back into respectability...we were 4-7....and he lost back to back games to put the nail in the coffin. Both of those games fall directly on Caldwell. he single handedly lost us the GB game cause hes an idiot. Then he led us to a whopping 14 points vs an average at best St Louis team.

 

[inkfreq]

the start wasn't the worst part. When we FINALLY did the right thing as an organization and got rid of Lombardi/mayhew. THEN Caldwells worst part happened. We just climbed back into respectability...we were 4-7....and he lost back to back games to put the nail in the coffin. Both of those games fall directly on Caldwell. he single handedly lost us the GB game cause hes an idiot. Then he led us to a whopping 14 points vs an average at best St Louis team.

Considering the game got another play after it ended with a win, it was FAR from "single handedly".

He sure did screw it up though.

 

[tonyballs]

Wait.. after FIVE years of listening to you rail against Mayhew and Lewand... a second year head coach got them fired?

Lombardi has been a train wreck since he got here. Caldwell didn't "get him fired"... he shouldn't have been hired. And that IS on Caldwell.

The O-Line coach needed to go. I've never seen an O-Line as bad as ours for the first 6 games. And considering how good they were over the final 6... that should tell you all you need to know.

But to say Caldwell got Lewand and Mayhew fired... coming from YOU of all people... is flatly fucking retarded.

Wooooooooooooooooooooooo!! Here comes the spin!!

 

[tonyballs]

They've been putting out lists of them for the last 3 months...pick one. My point was were the lions....so we wont place any importance on acting fast....and we will miss out on quality coaching candidates because of it. Book it.

Lmfao