Stafford

[evolutionkb]

Finally!!! Someone gets it!!! Yes, my brother...YES!!

I have to deal with idiots at work too. Some people just don't get it.

 

[zyxt9]

This. Remember how deadly our offense was 2 years ago with Best? Remember what D-coordinators did last year when we didn't have Best? They covered all the deep routes to try and stop Calvin. Without Best, we didn't have anybody with a big play threat to catch the dump offs. With Bush, we have that wrinkle again. You saw it yesterday when Bush took that screen 70 yards. Two playmakers WILL make this offense click again because it means that the guys that have to cover Pettigrew, Burleson, Broyles, Scheffler, etc will have to keep an eye on Bush and or Calvin because they are always afraid of the big play. That little bit of hesitation is the difference at this level. You saw it on the Scheffler TD yesterday. Bush had a ton of touches that drive. Cue the fake to Reggie, TD Scheffler. Remember, we haven't seen Bush/Calvin together for more than a couple drives. Add in a healthy Broyles and our other weapons, our offense is going to be scary this year.

Doesn't it depend more on how well they RUN the football than how well Bush catches and runs on a dump pass? Until the D is having to honor the run, the DCs will call for pass coverage schemes which are designed to make it harder to throw. If they could actually run well, Staff's Comp% would likely jump 10+ points, IMHO.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Most likely. Hopefully this new, somewhat young OL continue to get better. Otherwise, they will put 2 on Calvin and play everyone else up to protect against the short passes and the dump off to Bush.

 

[evolutionkb]

Doesn't it depend more on how well they RUN the football than how well Bush catches and runs on a dump pass? Until the D is having to honor the run, the DCs will call for pass coverage schemes which are designed to make it harder to throw. If they could actually run well, Staff's Comp% would likely jump 10+ points, IMHO.

It's about making defenses pay, traditionally, yes that is an effective run game. But any guy capable of busting a big play keeps defenses honest. Detroit couldn't run against the defenses they saw last year, but that same style of defense is also vulnerable to short passes in the flat. This year they have Bush to take advantage of that matchup, last year they didn't have anybody.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's about making defenses pay, traditionally, yes that is an effective run game. But any guy capable of busting a big play keeps defenses honest. Detroit couldn't run against the defenses they saw last year, but that same style of defense is also vulnerable to short passes in the flat. This year they have Bush to take advantage of that matchup, last year they didn't have anybody.

That's part of the staff needs to be better argument though....if he's dumping down so much and throwing 6 yds to stonehands so much....then why the hell us his completion % AGE so frikken low year after year? Its a valid, factual criticism of his game. I'm still not certain if linehan or staff is to blame more but if they have another losing season I'd almost wish they wash their hands of mayhew js linehan and gunther to see what we've really got. Give bill obrien or whatever his name is from penn state a shot....he's a qb guru.

 

[evolutionkb]

That's part of the staff needs to be better argument though....if he's dumping down so much and throwing 6 yds to stonehands so much....then why the hell us his completion % AGE so frikken low year after year? Its a valid, factual criticism of his game. I'm still not certain if linehan or staff is to blame more but if they have another losing season I'd almost wish they wash their hands of mayhew js linehan and gunther to see what we've really got. Give bill obrien or whatever his name is from penn state a shot....he's a qb guru.

I'd say you are right in that he needs to improve his accuracy on his short to mid-range passes. I'll also point out his best year completion wise was his year with Best in 2011. I expect similar numbers if not slightly better this year.

 

[inkfreq]

While I agree because I also expect to see better completion numbers with Bush back there, I also have to agree with the doubters. He hasn't shown it since 2011, and he didn't show much before then due to injuries.

I don't care about his awkward mechanics, his big arm, his overthrows... whatever. I care about seeing some consistency out of him.

In my opinion Stafford doesn't need to be the best QB in the league, or even an elite one. He needs to be a consistently above average QB, and the talent is in place to win championships.

Just make the throws you need to make, and good things will happen.

 

[mhughes0021]

While I agree because I also expect to see better completion numbers with Bush back there, I also have to agree with the doubters. He hasn't shown it since 2011, and he didn't show much before then due to injuries.

I don't care about his awkward mechanics, his big arm, his overthrows... whatever. I care about seeing some consistency out of him.

In my opinion Stafford doesn't need to be the best QB in the league, or even an elite one. He needs to be a consistently above average QB, and the talent is in place to win championships.

Just make the throws you need to make, and good things will happen.

This is perfectly said. I think his biggest hinderence has nothing to do with him...its the fact we've settled on burleson being a 2 the last 3 years. Whoever is opposite calvin should be torching teams if they can beat their guy 1 v 1....burleson hasn't been able to do that down field at all...he's a short game specialist catching screens and hitches.

 

[Mitchrapp]

2011 when he did have his best year completion wise, with Best, it still wasn't huge. With a guy like Best you'd thing he would have been better than 63.5%. I don't need Staff to be an elite either but the thing that worries me from '11 to '12 was his Y/A and even more important his AY/A (adjusted yards per attempt). There was a big gap between the two years..He was checking down much more last year, which is even more discouraging since Calvin almost went 2k last season.

I know it was the Calvin and Clown show but he needs to do a better job..

 

[tonyballs]

2011 when he did have his best year completion wise, with Best, it still wasn't huge. With a guy like Best you'd thing he would have been better than 63.5%. I don't need Staff to be an elite either but the thing that worries me from '11 to '12 was his Y/A and even more important his AY/A (adjusted yards per attempt). There was a big gap between the two years..He was checking down much more last year, which is even more discouraging since Calvin almost went 2k last season.

I know it was the Calvin and Clown show but he needs to do a better job..

63+% is Aaron Rodgers territory, buddy. Do you know anything about football for fk sakes?

 

[Mitchrapp]

What? I'm wondering if you know football..ever since Rodgers became a starter he's been above 63.6 and improving every year. Hell, the last two were 68.3 and 67.2. "In Aaron Rodgers territory" - :lmao:

 

[Mitchrapp]

Oh, and Tony - Y/A isn't even close between the two. "In AR territory" :lmao:

 

[Mitchrapp]

:hehe::hehe:

:lmao:

 

[tonyballs]

What? I'm wondering if you know football..ever since Rodgers became a starter he's been above 63.6 and improving every year. Hell, the last two were 68.3 and 67.2. "In Aaron Rodgers territory" - :lmao:

Hey, genius, Rodgers career completion % is 65%. Thats that!

 

[tonyballs]

Oh, and Tony - Y/A isn't even close between the two. "In AR territory" :lmao:

We're talking completion percentage, no?

 

[Mitchrapp]

And Staff's is? Yeah that's right 59.8% :lmao:

 

[Mitchrapp]

Above 65% to below 60% :hehe:

 

[tonyballs]

And Staff's is? Yeah that's right 59.8% :lmao:

So are you drunk or high? Youre saying with Best, he should have been better than 63.5%. Those are great numbers, elite numbers actually. And you want better? Youre an idiot...

Now, in no way am i calling Staff elite but to say his numbers should be better for that year completion wise is beyond fn stupid

 

[Mitchrapp]

So are you drunk or high? Youre saying with Best, he should have been better than 63.5%. Those are great numbers, elite numbers actually. And you want better? Youre an idiot...

Now, in no way am i calling Staff elite but to say his numbers should be better is beyond fn stupid

You said "In AR territory" - even if you use 2011, AR was 68.3%. Dude, just stop it. These two are not comparable. And 63.5 is not elite.

 

[tonyballs]

You said "In AR territory" - even if you use 2011, AR was 68.3%. Dude, just stop it. These two are not comparable. And 63.5 is not elite.

Retard!! What dont you understand? AR's career completion % is 65%!! Staff was 63+% for that one year, right? Im not comparing Stafford to Rodgers....get your fn head outta your ass for 2 seconds, please. Im just comparing Staffs numbers for that one year

So since 63.5% is not elite, then Rodgers isnt elite at 65%? Go bury your head in the sand