Tigers and MLB 2018 offseason

[Mitchrapp]

How do you know the minor league guys are any good at all? Last year our best SP was Fiers a guy that sucked for the 2 previous years. It was a bad move people would say but yet he got the job done.. You make it sound like you always have the answer but it's just a crap shoot .. What's the point bringing up all the stud minor leaguer's on a massive rebuild.

 

[byco42]

Is a guy like Ross a missing puzzle piece or the missing puzzle piece? Even if he's light's out, what's that mean long term since he's gone in 2020?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Is a guy like Ross a missing puzzle piece or the missing puzzle piece? Even if he's light's out, what's that mean long term since he's gone in 2020?

Short deal until the stud pitchers get called up.. Lol.

 

[byco42]

Short deal until the stud pitchers get called up.. Lol.

Actually rather surprised that a thrifty owner like CI would spend 6 million on a middling RHP for one season on a team going nowhere but to the bottom of the AL Central for the next five seasons.

 

[Rebbiv]

How do you know the minor league guys are any good at all? Last year our best SP was Fiers a guy that sucked for the 2 previous years. It was a bad move people would say but yet he got the job done.. You make it sound like you always have the answer but it's just a crap shoot .. What's the point bringing up all the stud minor leaguer's on a massive rebuild.

Mitch, all stats, can be predictive, including minor league stats. Certainly, players can have outliers and players can not exceed at the next level. You and the Tigers are hoping that Ross returns to his 2014 version without a shred of evidence. And in the same breath, decry that we don't know what we got with our young pitching. You cannot have it both ways. You save money by not going to arbitration with McCann and then piss that money away on Ross. What's the point?



If you develop your in house talent, they also become trade chips. Certainly not everyone will succeed. They are probably going to spend $20+ Mil on position players in 2019 so they can fill out the roster. A rebuilding team with a middle of the pack payroll. That is a recipe for success.

 

[Rebbiv]

A good read and somewhat on topic:


http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25417893/young-players-officially-taken-major-league-baseball

 

[tomdalton22]

I wonder of Castellanos gets traded.

I hope so

 

[tomdalton22]

DET has at least 3-4 young arms that are as good if not better than Moore and/or Ross. We are impeding their development why? In hopes they can spin one of these guys for a mid to low level prospect? Which is basically the roster spot you vacated for these guys in the first place. Net sum gain = zero, but you paid $8 Mil to do it.

there is another way to look at it. You pay 2 scrubs $8M now so you don't have to call up the young guys. Let them continue to develop in AA and you get another year out of them down the road...hopefully when the Tigers are in a position to compete for a WC.

 

[turok]

Tigers are very fortunate to be in a division where 3 franchises are small-market, and sell off their studs as soon as they start getting too expensive to retain. But they are also much better @ identifying and developing talent.

 

[Rebbiv]

there is another way to look at it. You pay 2 scrubs $8M now so you don't have to call up the young guys. Let them continue to develop in AA and you get another year out of them down the road...hopefully when the Tigers are in a position to compete for a WC.

You stunt development by doing what you suggest. Only DET does this.

 

[tomdalton22]

You stunt development by doing what you suggest. Only DET does this.

you are making the assumption that they are ready to be in the majors this year.

 

[Rebbiv]

you are making the assumption that they are ready to be in the majors this year.

No, I am asserting that they can provide the same or better results than Moore and/or Ross (assuming no outlier year).



Tom you cannot have it both ways. Bitching about payroll and then defending when they spend unnecessarily on starting pitching. You are being extremely hypocritical.

 

[biggunsbob]

We should take a flyer on Troy Tulowitzk maybe ?


https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/1...e-toronto-blue-jays-free-agent-detroit-tigers

 

[Mitchrapp]

No, I am asserting that they can provide the same or better results than Moore and/or Ross (assuming no outlier year).



Tom you cannot have it both ways. Bitching about payroll and then defending when they spend unnecessarily on starting pitching. You are being extremely hypocritical.

Who's bitching about payroll.. It's not like 180m any more. As far as a better year, possibly but* (edit) no guarantee. It's not like this ml guys are certainties. I'm all for bringing young guys up as early as possible but they decided to go this route.. No big deal.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We should take a flyer on Troy Tulowitzk maybe ?


https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/1...e-toronto-blue-jays-free-agent-detroit-tigers

He'd have to be cheap, cheap as Iggy. Cheaper. His early years successes was based on being in Colorado. I'd pay him 2.8m/2 years.

 

[biggunsbob]

Pretty sure Toronto is still paying Tory.

 

[dale675]

He'd have to be cheap, cheap as Iggy. Cheaper. His early years successes was based on being in Colorado. I'd pay him 2.8m/2 years.

Even better, it would be the league minimum since he was released. Toronto is on the hook for the remainder of his contract. This is the kind of risk I like.

Iggy had shin problems. Tulo has foot problems. It's like the stars are aligning.

 

[tomdalton22]

No, I am asserting that they can provide the same or better results than Moore and/or Ross (assuming no outlier year).



Tom you cannot have it both ways. Bitching about payroll and then defending when they spend unnecessarily on starting pitching. You are being extremely hypocritical.

I don't bitch about the payroll, I bitch about the huge contracts that handcuff the franchise. I also complain about the timing of the Miggy contract. One year contracts don't bother me too much.

As far as you asserting that they can provide the same or better results than Moore and/or Ross...I don't necessarily disagree with that point...they very well could. I referring to you saying that not bringing them up to the Major Leagues this year would "stunt their development". Bringing them up just because they can pitch as shitty as Moore / Ross serves no purpose. I'd rather start their clock when they are ready and as late as possible in order to keep them under control if and when the Tigers get back to respectability.

Looking at the starting pitching prospects, it looks like this is the order (and expected time to make the team per MLB pipeline prospect watch)

Mize, 21 ETA 2020
Manning, 20 ETA 2020
Perez, 21 ETA 2020
Faedo, 23 ETA 2019
Burrows, 22 ETA 2019

So, hypothetically, it's Fadeo or Burrows this year.

Fadeo has a total of 10.2 innings in AA, so he is probably out.

Burrows has a little more experience but not too much success. 210 innings at AA, 1.4 WHIP, 3.8 W/9, 8.6 K/9

I would think that all of them need more time in AA. Let them all get one more season under their belts at AA and see what they turn into in spring training of 2020.

 

[nsonnett14]

We should take a flyer on Troy Tulowitzk maybe ?


https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/1...e-toronto-blue-jays-free-agent-detroit-tigers

I was gonna suggest the same thing , fuck it why not . Toronto is paying his entire salary . 1 year , he will want to prove himself , could be trade bait again or resign for 2-3 years if he is his old self .

 

[Rebbiv]

I don't bitch about the payroll, I bitch about the huge contracts that handcuff the franchise. I also complain about the timing of the Miggy contract. One year contracts don't bother me too much.

As far as you asserting that they can provide the same or better results than Moore and/or Ross...I don't necessarily disagree with that point...they very well could. I referring to you saying that not bringing them up to the Major Leagues this year would "stunt their development". Bringing them up just because they can pitch as shitty as Moore / Ross serves no purpose. I'd rather start their clock when they are ready and as late as possible in order to keep them under control if and when the Tigers get back to respectability.

Looking at the starting pitching prospects, it looks like this is the order (and expected time to make the team per MLB pipeline prospect watch)

Mize, 21 ETA 2020
Manning, 20 ETA 2020
Perez, 21 ETA 2020
Faedo, 23 ETA 2019
Burrows, 22 ETA 2019

So, hypothetically, it's Fadeo or Burrows this year.

Fadeo has a total of 10.2 innings in AA, so he is probably out.

Burrows has a little more experience but not too much success. 210 innings at AA, 1.4 WHIP, 3.8 W/9, 8.6 K/9

I would think that all of them need more time in AA. Let them all get one more season under their belts at AA and see what they turn into in spring training of 2020.

Sorry Tom, but I was referring to those that all already on the 40-man roster and basically ready. Turnbull, Carpenter, Hall, Soto as examples.