Tigers vs. rangers ALCS Game 4 Thread Oct. 12

[brewer228]

And even then I don't think anyone on the team would have scored on that situations.. Seriously your whole logic is flawed..

Yes with that throw it would of been tough for someone to score. Yes he has a great arm, but i've seen plenty of players with great arms make bad throws in pressure situations.

If you would of told him hey hes going to make a perfect throw, he would hold him.

 

[drivergreg]

I don't mind sending Cabby. Avila has been a no-show offensively all postseason. The only other alternative would have been to pinch hit for Avila, which I'd also have been okay with.

Walking Beltre, though, that was a dumb move.

 

[msuspartan]

As sad as I am we could not tie the series up, I'm still looking at this season as glass half full, even if we lose tomorrow.

We won the Central for the first time ever, and made it to the ALDS...WITH AN INCOMPLETE TEAM!

People tend to forget that while we have the best SP, Hitter, and closer in the game on our team, the team is still very much full of holes.

Second base, Third Base, Leadoff hitter, and middle relief, and we still finished with the 6th best record in all of baseball.

There's an old saying: You can't win 'em all", but we still won a lot of 'em.

But money coming off the books, trade deadline pickup of Fister was huge, not just for this year, 2012 we will have 4 legitimate top end rotation guys., and Illitch says he will spring for a couple "impact" players.

I want to win and go on as much as anyone else here, but at some point you had to realize the holes on this team were going to catch up with us sooner or later.

We're going to be better next year.

100% true. We will have Boesch next year with the possibility of Aramis Rameriz and/or Jose Reyes (I know some of you don't like him), or 2 other HUGE impact players Illitch is promising next year is looking bright.

 

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As sad as I am we could not tie the series up, I'm still looking at this season as glass half full, even if we lose tomorrow.

We won the Central for the first time ever, and made it to the ALDS...WITH AN INCOMPLETE TEAM!

People tend to forget that while we have the best SP, Hitter, and closer in the game on our team, the team is still very much full of holes.

Second base, Third Base, Leadoff hitter, and middle relief, and we still finished with the 6th best record in all of baseball.

There's an old saying: You can't win 'em all", but we still won a lot of 'em.

But money coming off the books, trade deadline pickup of Fister was huge, not just for this year, 2012 we will have 4 legitimate top end rotation guys., and Illitch says he will spring for a couple "impact" players.

I want to win and go on as much as anyone else here, but at some point you had to realize the holes on this team were going to catch up with us sooner or later.

We're going to be better next year.

While things look positive for the forseeable future, anything can happen in a baseball season.. I'm sure the Reds and Padres said the same thing last year.. Along with the Giants..

I guess my point was 99888, that you can either look at what we accomplished with an incomplete team as a positive and look forward to next season, or wallow in self pity and curse the very people who got you there in the first place.

 

[tigers99888]

And even then I don't think anyone on the team would have scored on that situations.. Seriously your whole logic is flawed..

Yes with that throw it would of been tough for someone to score. Yes he has a great arm, but i've seen plenty of players with great arms make bad throws in pressure situations.

If you would of told him hey hes going to make a perfect throw, he would hold him.

You are just backtracking.. IT was a terrible decision.. I think the play itself, speaks for itself... No one takes into whether a player folds or not, if that were the case, A-Rod wouldn't hit 4th in the lineup, or see a series deciding game..

 

[byco42]

You either run your worst runner or hit your worst hitter, those are your choices, it's lose lose for any manager

You cannot be serious. The more you augur yourself into the ground with your flawed logic, the more ridiculous you appear. The decision to send Cabrera was not based on who was on deck; it has to stand on its own. As if Lamont was reasoning, "I shouldn't send Miguel into a sure out, but what's the difference, when one is also on deck?"

So, as long as he's an automatic out, let's really make his at bat fruitless and let him make the first out of the next inning rather than at least have him bat with someone on base!

 

[biggunsbob]

As sad as I am we could not tie the series up, I'm still looking at this season as glass half full, even if we lose tomorrow.

We won the Central for the first time ever, and made it to the ALDS...WITH AN INCOMPLETE TEAM!

People tend to forget that while we have the best SP, Hitter, and closer in the game on our team, the team is still very much full of holes.

Second base, Third Base, Leadoff hitter, and middle relief, and we still finished with the 6th best record in all of baseball.

There's an old saying: You can't win 'em all", but we still won a lot of 'em.

But money coming off the books, trade deadline pickup of Fister was huge, not just for this year, 2012 we will have 4 legitimate top end rotation guys., and Illitch says he will spring for a couple "impact" players.

I want to win and go on as much as anyone else here, but at some point you had to realize the holes on this team were going to catch up with us sooner or later.

We're going to be better next year.

I agree with you but i hate getting so close... it hurts... Not as bad as 2006 but close... But Jim is really having a bad series just like in 2006. Tonights game a manager has to make a difference and help win his team the game in which they are not hitting. he really could have mad a difference tonight..

 

[tigers99888]

I guess my point was 99888, that you can either look at what we accomplished with an incomplete team as a positive and look forward to next season, or wallow in self pity and curse the very people who got you there in the first place.

No pity here, I'm certainly pissed but will continue to root for this team and even Leyland to stop being a dumbass in certain situations.. I'll never root for Lamont and McClendon though.. I would love Leyland to actually fire one if not both of them.. And yes it looks bright, just saying nothing is set in stone..

 

[biggunsbob]

Plus you never know how close you can get... Just ask Philadelphia with that staff..

 

[tigers99888]

You either run your worst runner or hit your worst hitter, those are your choices, it's lose lose for any manager

You cannot be serious. The more you augur yourself into the ground with your flawed logic, the more ridiculous you appear. The decision to send Cabrera was not based on who was on deck; it has to stand on its own. As if Lamont was reasoning, "I shouldn't send Miguel into a sure out, but what's the difference, when one is also on deck?"

So, as long as he's an automatic out, let's really make his at bat fruitless and let him make the first out of the next inning rather than at least have him bat with someone on base!

And another thing, there are more variables to breaking a hitter on deck out of a slump, then a practically bang bang play at the plate...

 

[turok]

Yep, not nearly enough depth, three hitters out, two that are done, and two that are hurt, one playing,one out all postseason. None of the other postseason teams were as banged up and filled with patchwork players and slumps as this team is.

 

[byco42]

And even then I don't think anyone on the team would have scored on that situations.. Seriously your whole logic is flawed..

Yes with that throw it would of been tough for someone to score. Yes he has a great arm, but i've seen plenty of players with great arms make bad throws in pressure situations.

If you would of told him hey hes going to make a perfect throw, he would hold him.

This throw, for Cruz, was like playing long toss in warmups. A third base coach with brains sees that in this circumstance, that the risk of his making a poor throw does not out weigh the probability that Cabrera would get thrown out easily. You hold him 100 out of 100 times.

 

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biggunsbob[/color]]
[quote="MI_Thumb":h4j08g81]As sad as I am we could not tie the series up, I'm still looking at this season as glass half full, even if we lose tomorrow.

We won the Central for the first time ever, and made it to the ALDS...WITH AN INCOMPLETE TEAM!

People tend to forget that while we have the best SP, Hitter, and closer in the game on our team, the team is still very much full of holes.

Second base, Third Base, Leadoff hitter, and middle relief, and we still finished with the 6th best record in all of baseball.

There's an old saying: You can't win 'em all", but we still won a lot of 'em.

But money coming off the books, trade deadline pickup of Fister was huge, not just for this year, 2012 we will have 4 legitimate top end rotation guys., and Illitch says he will spring for a couple "impact" players.

I want to win and go on as much as anyone else here, but at some point you had to realize the holes on this team were going to catch up with us sooner or later.

We're going to be better next year.

I agree with you but i hate getting so close... it hurts... Not as bad as 2006 but close... But Jim is really having a bad series just like in 2006. Tonights game a manager has to make a difference and help win his team the game in which they are not hitting. he really could have mad a difference tonight..[/quote:h4j08g81]

I half agree.

It's looks bad walking Beltre because of how it ended, but people forget Beltre is as much of a HR threat as Cruz is.

I thought it was a risky move but sometimes you have to take them, Beltre could not run well and Napoli has concrete shoes, Valverde did have a number of DP's turned for him this year, even if people are saying he didn't.

Delmon is the same, but he offered offense that Dirks and Kelly don't against a lefty, but poor defense and throwing ability, it was a trade off.

Personally I thought Ajax cost us more than anyone, stupid to try to steal with an out already and a batter to go before Cabrera yet, Ajax took the bat out of his hands.

 

[biggunsbob]

Jim and his staff had a rough night... But five hits is not going to get it done. Jim and his coaches really had a bad game if you looked you would see that...
1. Young should not be playing. He is hurt and can Hardly run .. Bad fielder and hitting cost at least 2-3 runs
2. Throwing 300 pitches to first base was dumb.. You could see porcello fading. (you had a 2-2 count on young)
3. Sending Miguel from third.. How dumb was that? Even Rickey Henderson is thrown out.
4. Young should have been lifted for Kelly. Hurt player verses hot post season hitter Lefty/right. Beltre may play in a step
with Kelly batting who knows.
5. Walking 0-4 Beltre who is hurt is beyond laughable for Napoli that hittest hitter in september in baseball
that was so stupid. You pitch to Adrian and Mike...
6. Jose Valverde second inning... HELLO NON-SAVE. HE PITCHED ONE GOOD INNING. TWO IS ASKING FOR IT.
Maybe they can start hitting and win three in a row... 68 tigers did..

 

[brewer228]

You either run your worst runner or hit your worst hitter, those are your choices, it's lose lose for any manager

The decision to send Cabrera was not based on who was on deck; it has to stand on its own.

Are you kidding me? You most certainly take into consideration who is on deck when making decisions.

Just look at all these people complaining about walking Beltre because of who was on deck (which i agree with the people that said you shouldn't)

 

[tigers99888]

I'm assuming this brewer poster is a brewers fan?

 

[biggunsbob]

You have to do unconventional things to win games.. I knew Young would not get the ball deep enough... Heck we have failed all post season with runners on third and less then two outs... Either pinch hit Kelly for young or throw down a squeeze play.. They never would have suspected it with young... I mean Young swung and missed a cookie... Damn we should have won this game....

 

[byco42]

The decision to send Cabrera was not based on who was on deck; it has to stand on its own.

Are you kidding me? You most certainly take into consideration who is on deck when making decisions.

Just look at all these people complaining about walking Beltre because of who was on deck (which i agree with the people that said you shouldn't)

I don't care if Eddie Gaedel was on deck. Sending Cabrera was a stupid decision, proven so by the result. You really think that Lamont was reasoning that the risk of Cabrera being thrown out was less than Avila making an out with him at third base? Seeing what he saw with his own eyes? A popup that Cruz gathered himself under, was moving into the throw and was lined up perfectly with home plate? So Lamont sent him in the hopes that Cruz would make a poor throw and not because he believed that Cabrera had a chance of being safe? Either way, it's a display of staggering incompetence.

 

[biggunsbob]

Jesus I just heard Leyland defend the move to send Miguel on ESPN... What a darn joke.. So they were hinging it on a bad throw because he was out by a half a mile.

 

[pr0tege]

biggunsbob[/color]]Jesus I just heard Leyland defend the move to send Miguel on ESPN... What a darn joke.. So they were hinging it on a bad throw because he was out by a half a mile.

Leyland won't publicly throw his 3B Coach under the bus. If we have learned one thing about Jim is that he is overly protective of his coach's and players and will go to bat for all of them no matter.

I was not surprised to hear him justify sending Cabrera personally. He also mentioned that Jackson was going on his own (although he had a green light to go whenever) and defended it as well.