2015 Cap

[LKP]

You can stay in fantasy land, I'm realistic, they have 40 players signed who could all make the roster, we have 13 to add without subtracting anyone out...
So we're done talking about Suh and his 26.7 number? Just checking

We can subtrac every single future deal guy out. So when Collins signs for 500 k or Dan O or Mathis, it doesn't take up extra space. You just take the future deal amount off the top 51 list.

 

[LKP]

And if someone signs for 1 million, it truly only takes up 500k in "extra" space.

 

[tsmith7559]

They have 52 players signed. That is reality.

The free agents we sign just swap out the lowest paid contract. They will be similar numbers for many of our free agents and draft picks. Minimal extra space needed for that swap. Once you understand then, then you can understand the cap.

I understand the cap..
I didn't notice any dead money on net rat site? He has mislabeled the cap year.
I like spotrac..shows 40 contracts, less suh it's 39, no swapping needed

 

[LKP]

I understand the cap..
I didn't notice any dead money on net rat site? He has mislabeled the cap year.
I like spotrac..shows 40 contracts, less suh it's 39, no swapping needed

He accounts for the dead money. It's in that narrative I sent you.

Spotrac is typically slower.

And like I said spotrac has Suh's base. Take that out, add 6 million and you have 126 committed. 143 in cap. That's 17 million. Both sites agree.

 

[tsmith7559]

He hasn't taken out $4.25 in rookie contracts, so we down to about 7.7 mill with dead money and rookie allotment. Suh will take up 80% of it

 

[LKP]

And you clearly do not understand the cap if you think we don't have 52 under contract and you think we can't swap out contract with the top 51 rule.

 

[LKP]

He hasn't taken out $4.25 in rookie contracts, so we down to about 7.7 mill with dead money and rookie allotment. Suh will take up 80% of it

He has the dead money and the rookies don't count the full 4.25 million buddy. That blog talks about all that.

Only about 1 million will count for rookies (Round 1 and 2 pick extra over 500k ). Round 3-7 get swapped out with futures deals guys. Top 51 rule.

 

[LKP]

He does account for the dead money. Bottom of spreadsheet. It's part of the SB allocation number.

126 committed. 143 cap. 17 million. It's clear as day.

 

[LKP]

Signing the rookies won't count 4.25 million extra in space. It will be 4.25 but you swap out the futures deals guys. It's clear you don't understand the cap if you think they will take out 4.25 million on top of the futures deals.

 

[tsmith7559]

Signing the rookies won't count 4.25 million extra in space. It will be 4.25 but you swap out the futures deals guys. It's clear you don't understand the cap if you think they will take out 4.25 million on top of the futures deals.

I understand the cap very well, I'm using spotrac, we're taking two different directions.
but just to be clear tagging and using Suh's tag number is assinine

 

[tsmith7559]

I'll take that as a yes,,, curious, give me the details of a new Suh contract

 

[LKP]

I understand the cap very well, I'm using spotrac, we're taking two different directions.
but just to be clear tagging and using Suh's tag number is assinine

Spotrac is still 17 million under when you account for futures deal and Suh's option bonus gonig away. Spotrac is not updated like netrat.

You don't count the draft as an extra 4.25 million against the cap due the top 51 rule. You are incorrect if you do so. In the end all draft picks will count but the futures deals guys numbers won't. It's a swap of who is counting, not extra space.

There are 52 under contract. Fact. This is not debatable.

 

[LKP]

6 years 100 million. Big signing bonus. 40 million over 5 years.
1 million base+8 allocation of SB +9.7(already included with us 17 million under). Cap number 18.7 for 2015. Extra cap space taken up is 9 million. 9.7 is already accounted for in our cap.

Base rises every year. 9.7 off the books in 2016.

So we go from 17 under to 8 under with a long term Suh deal. Then we still have the restructures and cap cuts to get 21 million if we want. Probably wouldn't need all the restructures with a Suh long term deal. Long term deal would give the Lions plenty of space enough to get Fairley back, Prater back, Mathis back and a guard/CB.

 

[tonyballs]

LKP knows his numbers!!! Can't argue that, boys!!

 

[tsmith7559]

So your down to 6.8 mill in cap space, you said Fairley would cost u $3mil, down to 3.8mil..
Two rookies will take 3.2 less 870,000, dropping two players, so we're at 1.3 to sign prater and mulbach...see my point?

 

[LKP]

So your down to 6.8 mill in cap space, you said Fairley would cost u $3mil, down to 3.8mil..
Two rookies will take 3.2 less 870,000, dropping twp players, so we're at 1.3 to sign prater and mulbach...see my point?

We can create 21 million in room. Restructure Stafford (5.7), part of Calvin's base (4 million, adds 1 million each year) and Tate/Quin (4.1 million0 and cut Tulloch, Jones, Bush for 8 million. Plenty to get back Fairley cutting injured and old guys. All might not need to be cut even.

You are adding 5.3 to the dead money in the cap in 2016 and 2017 each year with those restructures. Lions can easily handle that.

 

[LKP]

So your down to 6.8 mill in cap space, you said Fairley would cost u $3mil, down to 3.8mil..
Two rookies will take 3.2 less 870,000, dropping two players, so we're at 1.3 to sign prater and mulbach...see my point?

We would be down to 8 million.

You do realize Tate (6 per), Pettigrew (4 per) and Ihedigbo signings were like 6 million last year in cap room.

 

[LKP]

So your down to 6.8 mill in cap space, you said Fairley would cost u $3mil, down to 3.8mil..
Two rookies will take 3.2 less 870,000, dropping two players, so we're at 1.3 to sign prater and mulbach...see my point?

And Mulhbach won't count extra. Vet min deduction rule. Look that up.

When we signed Mathis last year, he counted 100k extra compared to the guy he replaced on the top 51 list.

 

[LKP]

Orlovsky, Tapp, Prater, Mathis, Mulhbach,Vaughn all fell under the vet min deduction rule last year.

And we got IAQ and Collins for 700k each.

 

[tsmith7559]

Ok, you're walking into Ford's office and telling him I need signing bonuses of 50 mill for suh and fairley and another $15 mill to two players we already have under contract. Not to mention this OG you want to sign along with prater, muhl,BTW Mr ford I'll need $8 mil in SB to sign the rookies. Mr Ford I'll will need about 80 mill in SB money...