Game 15: Lions @ Bears Thread

[brewer229]

We are still one of the best 12 teams in the league. If we can somehow win next week that puts us into the final 8. At the startb of the year we all would have taken 11-5.

I agree with this. I think the Lions are the 4th best team in the NFC. Which is very good, unfortunately they will need to play one of the teams I feel is better on the road next week. If they don't win that game, they will most likely have to play another team (Dallas) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (Seattle) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (Green Bay) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (New England) I feel is better.

Obviously that is projecting a lot of what I think is going to happen, and it could change. But looking at that why is it unreasonable to expect to think the Lions need to play better?

Some people have such a losers mentality. "Well this is the best we've had in a while so we should just be happy."
If that is your belief, I can't tell you that you are wrong, but I don't agree with that.

 

[zyxt9]

Yes a win matters I get that.

If Lions continue to play like they did against the Bears and win the Super Bowl, I'll be happy.

It's not hard to look at the way they are playing and think do they have a chance to beat Cowboys, Seattle, Green Bay and New England all in a row. Three of those games on the road?

Personally I don't think that is likely to happen playing the way they did against the Bears, but hey it's a new week. So technically it could happen.

Your whole argument is what exactly? You can't use prior events to project what you think will happen in the future? I'm pretty sure there are a whole lot of places that make some money based on projecting what will happen and giving odds on what they think will happen.

No my point is people need to learn how to enjoy life and be happy simply because their favorite team won a football game as opposed to giving themselves ulcers and ruining the happiness of winning a game that breaks a long standing losing streak.

Find something positive and be fucking happy instead of bitching and trying to find fault in every little thing that you have ZERO control over. Its a game, one that we have suffered enough losses watching, so now that they have more wins than they normally do, enjoy it!

 

[zyxt9]

I agree with this. I think the Lions are the 4th best team in the NFC. Which is very good, unfortunately they will need to play one of the teams I feel is better on the road next week. If they don't win that game, they will most likely have to play another team (Dallas) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (Seattle) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (Green Bay) I feel is better. If they win that game they will need to play another team (New England) I feel is better.

Obviously that is projecting a lot of what I think is going to happen, and it could change. But looking at that why is it unreasonable to expect to think the Lions need to play better?

Some people have such a losers mentality. "Well this is the best we've had in a while so we should just be happy."
If that is your belief, I can't tell you that you are wrong, but I don't agree with that.

That isn't a loser's mentality, it is accepting the FACT we have zero control over any of these games, unless you are at the game cheering then you have some minimal influence but it isn't like anyone here is capable nor able to help Stafford or the OL or any other player actually improve their skills.

You are too fucking negative, always with that which cannot be done. Oh, they can't win this game or that game. You don't know with any certainty any of that. But instead of enjoying the fact they won you'd rather come on here and hyper focus on the flaws and proclaim them losers when they have won 11 games and could win the next one, breaking yet another losing streak.... or maybe they don't. I will worry about that game later, closer to when it actually gets played instead of getting ulcers and being down on a team when I'm not able to coach or influence them one bit prior to that game.

 

[brewer229]

No my point is people need to learn how to enjoy life and be happy simply because their favorite team won a football game as opposed to giving themselves ulcers and ruining the happiness of winning a game that breaks a long standing losing streak.

Find something positive and be fucking happy instead of bitching and trying to find fault in every little thing that you have ZERO control over. Its a game, one that we have suffered enough losses watching, so now that they have more wins than they normally do, enjoy it!

First off, the outcome of the games have essentially zero to do with the happiness of my life.

Second, I have an analytical type mind, when people have different views on performance I find that fun. I enjoy looking and breaking down individual performances. You can be happy with a win without being satisfied with a win. I enjoy trying to project what will happen next based on recent performances.

Seriously why have a message board if it went like this.

zyxt9: We won, which means great week.
Tony: We won, all players are great..except bush we need to cut that mother f'cker
Ink: Weeeee......I love pain killers.
LKP: We won, Stafford is best ever
brewer229: Yay winning
Hughes: Great week, Great Staff, Great coaching woot! Well see everyone next week.
zyxt9: Bye
Tony: Bye douches
Ink: Purple elephants!
LKP: Bye
Brewer: Bye

Followed by 6 days of silence.


Obviously we all want the team to win, no one would spend this much time and post as much as some do if they didn't care. It's ok to be critical, it's ok to point out flaws. The credit gets hidden, because whenever everyone agrees there isn't anything to talk about. Would it make you feel better if I started every "negative" post with. It's great we won and I am happy about that, but.....

I thought posting here implied everyone is happy when they win.

 

[zyxt9]

Yeah, far better to not have a single positive post ever.

Fucking Lions, always with the turnovers. They need to fire the ST coach immediately and that fucktard who roughed the kicker needs to be released immediately. Who cares that they won, lets tear them a new asshole so we can project future losses.

This is awesome fun!

 

[brewer229]

Yeah, far better to not have a single positive post ever.

Fucking Lions, always with the turnovers. They need to fire the ST coach immediately and that fucktard who roughed the kicker needs to be released immediately. Who cares that they won, lets tear them a new asshole so we can project future losses.

This is awesome fun!

Don't post here then if you don't like it. Pretty simple.

Also you need to find reality. I don't think I ever mentioned once this year a coach needs to be fired. I never once said Stafford needs to be benched. I'm not even in the cut Ross crowd that everyone is a part of. I'm actually in favor of keeping Bush for another year.

I'm fairly positive about this team. Its not negative to talk about what actually happens. It's just I like talking about facts and applying those facts to future events and what I think will happen.

To me the we won so we are good is far more negative than me. I think Stafford and the offense can play much better still. I don't think this is as good as they can be. I view that as being optimistic about this team, you and the we are good enough because we won so enjoy it sounds negative to me. Sounds like you have no faith they can be better.

 

[zyxt9]

I will post both positive and negative things, always have. Too many on here only post negative, even despite 11 wins, team showing willingness and ability to come from behind and win. Do I like that they continually do that as opposed to winning by 4 TDs, no. Do I wish the O from 2011 could be combined with the 2014 D, naturally.

But fact is they can do what others have done before, win with solid D and more conservative O. Stafford had a rough game, obviously. I would rather they had gotten FG attempts than throwing the INTs. I'm happy they had these miscues vs Bears, timing was on their side and they probably would not have won playing that way vs other teams, but every team can have a rough game just like the Pats did vs Jets. Peyton recently had a game where he did not throw a TD pass, so at any point, any team can have a rough day.

The good teams are able to overcome these types of mistakes. Lions gain confidence and are learning how to win, which is incredibly important. Overcoming the mental hurdles is arguably more important than the physical ones. Making necessary in game adjustments is important too, which the coaches and players have done well too for the most part. Those skillets are what can enable a good team to become great.

 

[sggatecl]

First off, the outcome of the games have essentially zero to do with the happiness of my life.

Second, I have an analytical type mind, when people have different views on performance I find that fun. I enjoy looking and breaking down individual performances. You can be happy with a win without being satisfied with a win. I enjoy trying to project what will happen next based on recent performances.

Seriously why have a message board if it went like this.

zyxt9: We won, which means great week.
Tony: We won, all players are great..except bush we need to cut that mother f'cker
Ink: Weeeee......I love pain killers.
LKP: We won, Stafford is best ever
brewer229: Yay winning
Hughes: Great week, Great Staff, Great coaching woot! Well see everyone next week.
zyxt9: Bye
Tony: Bye douches
Ink: Purple elephants!
LKP: Bye
Brewer: Bye

Followed by 6 days of silence.

I thought you were exaggerating until I read a couple of those. Pretty spot on.

 

[mhughes0021]

Great week, great staff, great coaching woot!

Ps...mayhew is the best

 

[Mitchrapp]

You know I don't have a problem with positive positions, well outside of LKP (he's in his own world) so why do others have problems when someone says something negative? Argue your point but should it include "you're such a negative hater" BS.

Zyxt, you ask "why are you always negative" I forget who. Well, why are you so damn positive? Why should your views and one who agree with you count more than others?

 

[zyxt9]

Mayhew is not the best. Stafford had a bad game. Those have not really changed all season.

Yet they are 11-4. Of those 11 wins, how many positives have you fucktards included in your endless stream of negativity?

You are not fans when you cannot accurately critique a team. You are more like those assholes in Finance who are so unhappy with a 20% increase in profits that you cut jobs so you can lower your payroll so you can squeeze out an extra 5%....only to be upset with only 25% increase.

Nothing makes you guys happy except losing, so you can say you were right. That's the easy way out since that means you can be happy being a fan of 31 teams each year. Only one team gets a ring each year, so knowing that you hyper focus on the negatives.

Its so bad that you cannot post more than one 'glad we won' post.

Instead of showing any hope, you tools just say there is no way they can win in GB, and even if they do, they will win only one playoff game at best.

Rewind back to 0-16 for a moment, reset your perspective. This is a season where you should be celebrating, not condemning. They have a chance to finish as the #2 seed, but you act like it is still an 0-16 season.

It isn't even that you are reasonably critiquing, you are endlessly bashing. Sure there is room for critiques, but find SOME good and thereby balance. The wording of the negativity is completely hate filled by some on here.

Some miserable tools. Go beat your girlfriend for not having the right color of eyes or something... that's the level you are at on here.

 

[zyxt9]

You know I don't have a problem with positive positions, well outside of LKP (he's in his own world) so why do others have problems when someone says something negative? Argue your point but should it include "you're such a negative hater" BS.

Zyxt, you ask "why are you always negative" I forget who. Well, why are you so damn positive? Why should your views and one who agree with you count more than others?

Most of my positivist early in the year had sarcastic tone. 16-0, blah, blah, blah. Ive had my share of criticisms that I have posted on here, but they just made the playoffs and ended a long losing streak. Was it an ugly win, yes... but most of the wins have been. One or two can be a fluke, but by now we should understand this is who they are. You don't have to like it, but show some degree of positivist that they are overcoming their bad play. They are not SOL, not this year, it is time to recognize that, regardless of what they do here out. They've given us far more to be happy about than not.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Mayhew is not the best. Stafford had a bad game. Those have not really changed all season.

Yet they are 11-4. Of those 11 wins, how many positives have you fucktards included in your endless stream of negativity?

You are not fans when you cannot accurately critique a team. You are more like those assholes in Finance who are so unhappy with a 20% increase in profits that you cut jobs so you can lower your payroll so you can squeeze out an extra 5%....only to be upset with only 25% increase.

Nothing makes you guys happy except losing, so you can say you were right. That's the easy way out since that means you can be happy being a fan of 31 teams each year. Only one team gets a ring each year, so knowing that you hyper focus on the negatives.

Its so bad that you cannot post more than one 'glad we won' post.

Instead of showing any hope, you tools just say there is no way they can win in GB, and even if they do, they will win only one playoff game at best.

Rewind back to 0-16 for a moment, reset your perspective. This is a season where you should be celebrating, not condemning. They have a chance to finish as the #2 seed, but you act like it is still an 0-16 season.

It isn't even that you are reasonably critiquing, you are endlessly bashing. Sure there is room for critiques, but find SOME good and thereby balance. The wording of the negativity is completely hate filled by some on here.

Some miserable tools. Go beat your girlfriend for not having the right color of eyes or something... that's the level you are at on here.

See when someone says 'Matt is not the best" it means you think he's a good QB.

With your other ramblings, my negativity if that is what you want to call it..is mostly because of Matt. So my bashing, is mostly him. And anyone in their right mind who doesn't agree that Matt tops out as average is LKP. All LKP's.

 

[dubbsco]

Zyxt, people need to be able to point out flaws, even if things are going well. And there are flaws with this team.

Everyone loves the success the Lions have had. But we need to take a step back before we plan the parade. This is all the regular season we are talking about. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. No one is going to look back in 10 years if this team gets bounced in the first round and say, "Hey, remember that incredible 11-5 year?" 9, 10, 11 wins needs to become the norm.

 

[zyxt9]

See when someone says 'Matt is not the best" it means you think he's a good QB.

With your other ramblings, my negativity if that is what you want to call it..is mostly because of Matt. So my bashing, is mostly him. And anyone in their right mind who doesn't agree that Matt tops out as average is LKP. All LKP's.

I said Mayhew is not the best.

Stafford had a bad game. Everyone I've seen post recognizes Stafford is not having even a good year based on points scored, especially his Red Zone performance.

The OL has had challenges, perhaps due to age combined with injuries.

Most people have acknowledged those elements all year. Tony even has said Bush should not play any more this year, though he was pretty good yesterday... but everyone holds their breath when he has the ball waiting for a fumble.

But throughout they have won when in the past they lost. We don't have to look further than last year when all we wanted was that one more win or loss by another, but didn't get that for weeks. This year we got it, and yet the negativity has been relentless despite that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Zyxt, people need to be able to point out flaws, even if things are going well. And there are flaws with this team.

Everyone loves the success the Lions have had. But we need to take a step back before we plan the parade. This is all the regular season we are talking about. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. No one is going to look back in 10 years if this team gets bounced in the first round and say, "Hey, remember that incredible 11-5 year?" 9, 10, 11 wins needs to become the norm.

Exactly. Like the 2006 Detroit Tigers..surprise team but not revered if they didn't do what they did in the playoffs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I said Mayhew is not the best.

Stafford had a bad game. Everyone I've seen post recognizes Stafford is not having even a good year based on points scored, especially his Red Zone performance.

The OL has had challenges, perhaps due to age combined with injuries.

Most people have acknowledged those elements all year. Tony even has said Bush should not play any more this year, though he was pretty good yesterday... but everyone holds their breath when he has the ball waiting for a fumble.

But throughout they have won when in the past they lost. We don't have to look further than last year when all we wanted was that one more win or loss by another, but didn't get that for weeks. This year we got it, and yet the negativity has been relentless despite that.

Its more than saying he didn't have a good game or a good year "based on points". He's has done anything in his career except for 2011. So if people want to bitch about QB play who's making a ton of money we have that right.

And the negative stuff is based on offense. Not win totals or lucky (maybe lkp). Its about all the people and players we brought in to help the offense.

 

[zyxt9]

Zyxt, people need to be able to point out flaws, even if things are going well. And there are flaws with this team.

Everyone loves the success the Lions have had. But we need to take a step back before we plan the parade. This is all the regular season we are talking about. The playoffs are an entirely different animal. No one is going to look back in 10 years if this team gets bounced in the first round and say, "Hey, remember that incredible 11-5 year?" 9, 10, 11 wins needs to become the norm.

Obviously there are flaws, but there by definition has to be more good things than flaws when their record is 11-4 and made the playoffs, so I'm just saying people need to stop botching so much and enjoy the fact they are in the playoffs, because with the probable changes coming this offseason, they likely will have difficulty getting back next year, so enjoy it while you can and stop dreading the future for a moment.

We would love for a Red Wings-esque run of playoff appearances, but probability is the opposite with the Lions. Why waste this opportunity to actually be happy about the team? Detroit and all Lions fans should be rockin', yet on here and elsewhere it is like it was last year, which is nonsensical.

They are in the playoffs and have a chance at 12-4 and a home playoff game, something I have only witnessed once in my 44 years. If you cannot get excited about that potentiality then call the suicide hotline because you need to be on meds at a minimum.

 

[UMRules06]

Who says people are not enjoying themselves? I'm loving this season, but I don't always post happy thoughts. These forums are used for discussion, and usually what people want to discuss is how to improve the team or get better. That leads to perceived "negativity" and yes some do take it to the extreme, but all in all it's just the fan in us wanting to see the greatest team possible out on the field.

Negative posting does not mean a person is not happy with the season overall. Take it for what it is. People like to vent their anger too, and that's pretty much what 90% of talk radio and message boards are for.

 

[zyxt9]

Its more than saying he didn't have a good game or a good year "based on points". He's has done anything in his career except for 2011. So if people want to bitch about QB play who's making a ton of money we have that right.

And the negative stuff is based on offense. Not win totals or lucky (maybe lkp). Its about all the people and players we brought in to help the offense.

Chance at 12-4 Mitch. If he has a zero passer rating but the Lions win, how much will people bitch immediately following the game instead of celebrating a very rare moment for the Lions?

We have seen far worse play at QB. Does that mean I like Stafford and his problematic play? No! But this game is a team game. Other teams have won it all with bad QBs and relatively poor play compared to the other playoff teams.

Only way you can have a chance is to get in.... yet now that they are in, the negativity is at a season high.